What is being taught in our colleges today?

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My thoughts are that it's short, but not succinct on account of how vague it is. You say you've seen evidence of liberal ideas only being spewed. Posting some evidence from some quality sources (not things like that self-published book on Amazon) would have helped.

I have posted links to Washington Times, etc. and not just one source. They can be accepted or dismissed.

As well, I base my thoughts on all news sources and not just one media source.

You haven't answered my question. Do you dismiss my belief that colleges today are left-leaning and biased towards conservative leaning ideas? Do you have quality sources to post to debunk my thoughts?
 
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I'm fairly new to this forum so I may be posting this thread in the wrong place. If so, please pardon me.

I have severe doubts as to the quality of real education being taught in colleges today. That does not mean there are no longer wonderful and dedicated teachers/professors within colleges, but I am seeing evidence of liberal ideas only being spewed forth in some of these institutions.
We have the same problem in Canada. Here are two professors from each side of our border who recognize it and are actively trying to bring these issues to more of the public. Of course being professors, discussions tend to be rather long and in depth.
 
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On the news just this morning where Brooklyn college wants all police banned from their campus because their presence creates "fear" among the students. The police shouldn't even be allowed to have privileges to their bathrooms.

BTW, taxpayer $$$ support this college.
 
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I have posted links to Washington Times, etc. and not just one source. They can be accepted or dismissed.

As well, I base my thoughts on all news sources and not just one media source.

You haven't answered my question. Do you dismiss my belief that colleges today are left-leaning and biased towards conservative leaning ideas? Do you have quality sources to post to debunk my thoughts?


Lol, yes, you've posted from several right-wing sites. I'm more interested in the experiences folks have had for themselves than what they've read from folks like David Horowitz who gets his jollies on from bashing liberals. What I'm getting from this, is that your impressions are only from these sites you've picked to read, not from any kind of 1st hand experience.

You first. You still haven't answered the questions you've been asked. You said there were equations where only one side have been presented. Folks have asked you to tell us what those equations are. You've yammered on without giving much to actually talk about.
 
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On the news just this morning where Brooklyn college wants all police banned from their campus because their presence creates "fear" among the students. The police shouldn't even be allowed to have privileges to their bathrooms.

BTW, taxpayer $$$ support this college.

Lol. I did a search of this, what came up were the Daily Caller, other similar right-wing sites that have got little credibility. They of course went for as much drama as they could, twisted it around for the folks who enjoy getting their britches bunched up. I read the article in the student newspaper. According to it, no, the Brooklyn College does NOT want the police to be banned from their campus. The NYPD asked the college for permission for their officers to use the bathrooms on campus, to relieve themselves while out on their duty in the city. They're not the campus police. They're the city police. The college agreed, which was real nice of them, setting them up with access to bathrooms on the side of their campus closest to the streets. The college said they'd prefer the police just use those bathrooms, on account of how it creates a distraction having the city police walking across the campus, as it would on any campus. You see city police on your campus, you assume something is up. You don't strike me as the type to have an office job, but if you did, just think of how distracting it would be if the police just went walking through it. Folks would assume something was up. Again, they're not the campus police. ONE student, ONE said he wasn't comfortable with the police on campus at all, had appealed for them to not be allowed on the campus. ONE. The college isn't catering to that one student.
 
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Lol, yes, you've posted from several right-wing sites. I'm more interested in the experiences folks have had for themselves than what they've read from folks like David Horowitz who gets his jollies on from bashing liberals. What I'm getting from this, is that your impressions are only from these sites you've picked to read, not from any kind of 1st hand experience.

You first. You still haven't answered the questions you've been asked. You said there were equations where only one side have been presented. Folks have asked you to tell us what those equations are. You've yammered on without giving much to actually talk about.


What websites do you propose to get the "real" source of what is going on in colleges today? Where are your suggestions?

Please show some bit of respect with your words by not accusing me of "yammering." Your own bias is plainly showing in your repeated snarky remarks to anything I post.

You are purely in an argumentative mode, presenting nothing of substance yourself but seeking only to denigrating my person.

We really are getting nowhere in our back and forth conversation.
 
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Lol. I did a search of this, what came up were the Daily Caller, other similar right-wing sites that have got little credibility. They of course went for as much drama as they could, twisted it around for the folks who enjoy getting their britches bunched up. I read the article in the student newspaper. According to it, no, the Brooklyn College does NOT want the police to be banned from their campus. The NYPD asked the college for permission for their officers to use the bathrooms on campus, to relieve themselves while out on their duty in the city. They're not the campus police. They're the city police. The college agreed, which was real nice of them, setting them up with access to bathrooms on the side of their campus closest to the streets. The college said they'd prefer the police just use those bathrooms, on account of how it creates a distraction having the city police walking across the campus, as it would on any campus. You see city police on your campus, you assume something is up. You don't strike me as the type to have an office job, but if you did, just think of how distracting it would be if the police just went walking through it. Folks would assume something was up. Again, they're not the campus police. ONE student, ONE said he wasn't comfortable with the police on campus at all, had appealed for them to not be allowed on the campus. ONE. The college isn't catering to that one student.



Of course you researched it and came away with your on bias opinion. BTW, even if only one student proposed this ridiculous stance because that student felt their "safe space" was being compromised, that still makes it wrong.

You have nothing to contribute of substance to this OP. All you are seeking to do is to argue. Reply
 
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Of course you researched it and came away with your on bias opinion. BTW, even if only one student proposed this ridiculous stance because that student felt their "safe space" was being compromised, that still makes it wrong.

You have nothing to contribute of substance to this OP. All you are seeking to do is to argue. Reply

LOL. What you've written right here, it's silly. No ma'am, I did not research it & come away with a bias opinion. I did what was totally logical - went straight to the source, to Brooklyn College, to find out the actual truth of the matter. Instead of just getting second-hand "news" from sources that get their jollies on twisting things around. I reckon if you go to any campus in the world, you'll find 1 student who wants something that is ridiculous. What's truly ridiculous is acting like that 1 student represents the whole student body.

Your OP was void of substance, but I still contributed facts to this thread.
 
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What websites do you propose to get the "real" source of what is going on in colleges today? Where are your suggestions?

Please show some bit of respect with your words by not accusing me of "yammering." Your own bias is plainly showing in your repeated snarky remarks to anything I post.

You are purely in an argumentative mode, presenting nothing of substance yourself but seeking only to denigrating my person.

We really are getting nowhere in our back and forth conversation.

Well the best sources for what's going on at colleges today are the students at those colleges. I have a bias for the truth, and I don't apologize for that to you. I'm a conservative, at a public college that leans right. Do you just assume that folks who don't agree with you, or challenge what you've said, must have some liberal bias? You ever heard that saying about why you shouldn't assume?

No ma'am, I'm not purely in an argumentative mode. I haven't denigrated your person, or been disrespectful to you. I've called it like it is. You have yammered on without contributing much of substance. If you genuinely care about this topic, please answer the questions folks have asked you. Then we won't just be stuck going back & forth.
 
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Colleges have always been a bastion of liberal ideas. That is the nature of learning.

Except colleges are no longer that. They're safe spaces where thoughts are policed and unpopular speech is punished. They have become progressive enclaves and are completely illiberal. There's an organization called FIRE which fights for freedom of speech on campus. I can't recall who was giving the interview, but the founder was part of the free speech on campus movement of the sixties and seventies. During the interview he mentioned that he figured most of his clients would be liberals, but was surprised that it was conservatives. As he put it, the leftists were arguing for freedom of expression when they were out of power, but as soon as they got into positions of leadership in colleges, they began to stamp out views that were contrary to their own.
 
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Except colleges are no longer that. They're safe spaces where thoughts are policed and unpopular speech is punished. They have become progressive enclaves and are completely illiberal. There's an organization called FIRE which fights for freedom of speech on campus. I can't recall who was giving the interview, but the founder was part of the free speech on campus movement of the sixties and seventies. During the interview he mentioned that he figured most of his clients would be liberals, but was surprised that it was conservatives. As he put it, the leftists were arguing for freedom of expression when they were out of power, but as soon as they got into positions of leadership in colleges, they began to stamp out views that were contrary to their own.


I concur.
 
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There are college students and professors who are also American patriots, Christians, and conservatives who could have diametrically different viewpoints than your own in regards to an idea, and therefore pursue teaching and studying it in a way that is intellectually honest but not aligned with your own views. Constructive patriotism is one that requires meaningful work and dialogue, not just emotion-fuelled sentiment or homage, and it entails thoughtful criticism. If you love your country, you want it to flourish, and in order for that to happen you need to look at its flaws and how they can be improved upon. Disapproval for a policy or politician is not indicative of a lack of love for the country, but often the opposite, but it can be misconstrued. There are a multitude of Christian denominations and beliefs, and beyond the most basic tenets we tend to have a diversity of viewpoints. As I mentioned before, I joined this forum when I was in high school, and learned quickly how Christians who are just as devoted to Christ can have dissimilar hermeneutics and political beliefs. There's rarely one side that we're all standing on for a given subject. There are also people who label themselves as conservative but can have opposing stances from one another.



Your posts have mainly consisted of rhetoric, without enough specifics to have a productive conversation. Please actually list the equations you're referring to when complaining that only one side of them are being presented.

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I wonder how many people who complain about the "college kids today" have read and studied the US Constitution. Have you? Again, please give actual examples of what you believe used to have value but is now considered to be bigotry, repressive, and so forth.
I was intending to reply to this thread - but you have expressed my thoughts so eloquently that I simply only feel compelled to say - "Like she said" :)
 
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I'm fairly new to this forum so I may be posting this thread in the wrong place. If so, please pardon me.

I have severe doubts as to the quality of real education being taught in colleges today. That does not mean there are no longer wonderful and dedicated teachers/professors within colleges, but I am seeing evidence of liberal ideas only being spewed forth in some of these institutions.

Well, I know from talking to a couple of posters this morning that whatever our colleges are teaching, they're certainly not teaching philosophy or economics.
 
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They teach on an ever increasing diversity of degree majors into which is an even more expansive choice of subjects. And that is a necessary thing as our world evolves technologically and socially at a rapid rate. My degree is the technological and whatever one believes they know about technology today, finds that in a year its all old information.

My university fills me not just with a raw knowledge, but the capacity to teach myself, look outside of conventional thinking, and be prepared to listen to those with views and concepts and I hadnt previously considered. I find the environment there exciting. I couldn't wait to be there. I feel here I am free and am learning things I didnt know I didnt know.

We students are being developed as human beings through what we learn but also to our exposure to things outside of our degree program. 'That may not necessarily align with your personal philosophy.
 
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Except colleges are no longer that. They're safe spaces where thoughts are policed and unpopular speech is punished. They have become progressive enclaves and are completely illiberal. There's an organization called FIRE which fights for freedom of speech on campus. I can't recall who was giving the interview, but the founder was part of the free speech on campus movement of the sixties and seventies. During the interview he mentioned that he figured most of his clients would be liberals, but was surprised that it was conservatives. As he put it, the leftists were arguing for freedom of expression when they were out of power, but as soon as they got into positions of leadership in colleges, they began to stamp out views that were contrary to their own.
Oh, I get it. Conservativism is today's Liberalism.
 
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I am all for a diversity of viewpoint in college classes, while letting students sort it out for themselves. Nonetheless one of my sons thought it would look good on his transcript to take a Women's Studies elective. He was the only male in the class. That didn't turn out so well for him. :)
 
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That wasn't what I said.
I didn't say that you did but the idea of liberalism and conservativism has, in ways, switched sides in places. Liberalism is about new ideas while conservativism is about things remaining the same. The Liberal ideas which spawned the revolution and the Constitution are now conservative ideologies. Many Liberals refuse to allow right wing ideology to be shared making them conservative. Time goes by like a circle.
 
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I didn't say that you did but the idea of liberalism and conservativism has, in ways, switched sides in places. Liberalism is about new ideas while conservativism is about things remaining the same. The Liberal ideas which spawned the revolution and the Constitution are now conservative ideologies. Many Liberals refuse to allow right wing ideology to be shared making them conservative. Time goes by like a circle.

Fair enough.
 
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