parousia70: Pro-Forced Birth handbook for arguing about abortion:
1) Don't talk about Miscarriage.
Miscarriages are tragic, my wife has experienced this, and it was difficult for us. They occur as a result of sin that has entered the world. But miscarriages have no bearing at all on determining the morality of abortion.
Maybe so, maybe not. It's called Spontaneous abortion for a reason, no?
2) Don't talk about Already Born Kids.
Already born children have no bearing upon the morality of abortion. We should certainly take care of already born children, and do our best to support already born children who have needs. But already born children have no bearing on determining the morality of abortion.
When the Pro Forced Birther equates the Fetus with the Born Child, they open that door. If it's moral for the state to step in and provide the resources to ensure the fetus is brought to term and born, then the discussion of whether or not it's moral for the state to step in and provide the resources to ensure that born child is cared for, most certainly has bearing.
3) Don't talk about War, the Death penalty, etc..
These are all very important subjects to talk about. Unfortunately, they don't in themselves determine whether or not abortion is moral or immoral.
When the Pro Forced Birther puts for the the argument that Killing is wrong, again, it opens the door to have their position examined for consistency. If it can be shown that they in fact do not hold a consistent position, then that particular argument of theirs is rendered moot.
3) Don't talk about WHY the Republican Controlled Congress, Supreme Court and Presidency have FAILED to do anything to make it illegal.
Again, great questions, but the answers to these have no bearing at all upon determining the morality of abortion.
Arguable. But they have absolute bearing on determining the morality, or lack thereof, of the Pro forced Birther.
4) Don't talk about Biblically mandated Abortions.
This could certainly be important to aid in the discussion of the morality of abortion. I personally am not aware of any Biblically mandated abortions.
I listed several earlier in this thread, but here's a few for your edification:
Numbers 5:11-21 The description of a bizarre, brutal and abusive ritual to be performed on a wife SUSPECTED of adultery. This is nothing less than an induced abortion to rid a woman of another man's child.
Numbers 31:17 (Moses) Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every women that hath known man by lying with him. (In other words: women that might be pregnant, which clearly is abortion for the fetus.)
Hosea 13:16 God promises to dash to pieces the infants of Samaria and the their women with child shall be ripped up. Once again, God kills the unborn, including their pregnant mothers.
2 Kings 15:16 God commands that the pregnant women of Tappuah (aka Tiphsah) to be ripped open.
5) Don't talk about Social Justice.
A very good subject to discuss, but unfortunately social justice has no bearing upon determining the morality of abortion.
Perhaps, but again, great bearing on determining the morality of the pro forced birther.
So the question is simple - does the unborn child possess the same inherent moral worth and value as the 2 hour hold child located outside the womb? If the answer is yes, then their right to life will trump a woman's pursuit of happiness for a temporary amount of time.
I asked myself this question once:
Suppose there is a fire in a fertility clinic I know about.
I rush inside and i see a cryo-vat that contains 1000 frozen human embryos.
Right next to that vat there is
1, already born human baby in a bassinet, crying and coughing from the smoke.
I only have time and strength to save
one from certain destruction, the 1 Baby or the vat of 1000 embryos.
I don't even have to think about it.
My decision would ALWAYS be to save the 1 already born Baby, without hesitation, every time.
It would be immoral to save the 1000 embryos and leave the single, solitary, already born baby to burn, suffer and die.
