A New Religion.

Penny Feeley · Sep 18, 2017

Thank you. I was not taught to read the old testament. I have been studying the Old Testament on my own. I'm really trying to learn all the tribes of Jacob(Israel) remember their names. The time era and events ,tribulations and prophets in those days. And to understand what happened and why it happened when God spoke directly to the prophets and God was there the whole time and performed miracles and still people had very little faith no appreciation for the God's love

LittleLambofJesus · Sep 18, 2017

Penny Feeley said:
Thank you. I was not taught to read the old testament. I have been studying the Old Testament on my own. I'm really trying to learn all the tribes of Jacob(Israel) remember their names. The time era and events ,tribulations and prophets in those days. And to understand what happened and why it happened when God spoke directly to the prophets and God was there the whole time and performed miracles and still people had very little faith no appreciation for the God's love

When I first started reading the Bible when I came to Christ, I read the NT first.
That made the OT much easier to understand and I could see Jesus everywhere in it.

Penny Feeley said:
I'm running too many people including my family that state why do I need to read the Old Testament. well my statement is purely this in the New Testament Jesus States over and over it is written. Referring it was written in the Old Testament.
Most definitely refers to us because the 12 tribes of Israel has moved all over the world

The Jewish people persecuted their own profit Jesus Christ and Jewish people weren't the only one that lived there.

Good post!
There is a movement afoot to get the Jews of today to read the NT/NC and I pray they read the book of Revelation, especially since 12 of their tribes are mentioned [Dan and Ephraim are missing]
Over the centuries, I believe a lot of Jew have converted to Christ, but it is not easy for them and why it is difficult for Christians to minister to them [and Muslims also].

2 Corin 3:14
but their minds were hardened:
for until this very day at the reading of the old covenant the same veil remaineth unlifted;
which veil is done away in Christ.
Act 7:51
“You stiff-necked and uncircumcised in heart and ears! You always resist the Holy Spirit;
as your fathers did, so do you. [Deut 10:16]

Jews are gradually told to read the NT, whether it leads them to Jesus or not, and I pray this trend continues.

What Jews Can Learn from the New Testament | My Jewish Learning
What Jews Can Learn from the New Testament

Almost all of the books of the NT were written by Jews, many of them during one of the most eventful periods of Jewish history: just before and just after the destruction of the Second Temple (in 70 C.E.). Very few Jewish writings from that century survive, and none by the rabbis, the representatives of what soon became normative Judaism, since the rabbis of that period felt that their teachings had to remain oral (a position they eventually abandoned). So really the only surviving religious books written by Jews in the first and second centuries are a few of the later Dead Sea Scrolls and the NT.

Jews can read the NT to see both the strong Jewish values and the strong anti-Jewish values there. Virtually every page of the NT addresses Judaism either implicitly or explicitly.
Jews who want to read a “Jewish book” will find much of interest there.............................

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now faith · Sep 19, 2017

Viren said:
Ishmael represents our sinful nature as all are under sin not just Arabic people.

The narrative is in line with what Paul said in that Ishmael was not the son God had promised.
It was Sarah's lack of Faith and Abraham disobeyed God by having a child by Hagar.
The generations of Ham were cursed by Noah ,by Ham came the enemies of Israel as well Sodom and Gomorrah.
Noah declared that Shem ,and Jappath would dwell in tents together.Shem is the origin of the Hebrew people and Jappath went to the isles of the Gentiles.
The earth was divided in those days this is why they were called the Isles of the Gentiles,you can refer to the Blessing of Noah and his generations to confirm.
We received our sin nature through Adam,and were redeemed through Christ.
Some say first and last Adam.
Here is what we do know on Ishmael

Genesis 16: 11. And the angel of the LORD said unto her, Behold, thou art with child, and shalt bear a son, and shalt call his name Ishmael; because the LORD hath heard thy affliction. 12. And he will be a wild man; his hand will be against every man, and every man's hand against him; and he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren. -

now faith · Sep 19, 2017

In a way it is a age old enmity between Arabic people, and Jewish People.
So much death and destruction has continued through the Ages.
Islam became a religion around 600 A.D.
Their Bible is odd in the manner of singularity to our Judeo Christian text.
The Qur'an affirms the Torah/the first 5 books of Moses as to the historical rendering.
Muslims know Abraham was their Father,and Moses had written the text.
When we move to the New Testment, the Quran has books on Marilogy, but their view on Christ is different.
What is odd is that Jesus is mentioned more than Mohammed, but they deny Jesus's divine nature.
They affirm the immaculate Conception.

Immaculate Conception differs from the the Christian doctrine.
The Immaculate Conception means that Mary, whose conception was brought about the normal way, was conceived without original sin or its stain—that’s what “immaculate” means: without stain. According to Christian doctrine, orginal sin consists in the deprivation of sanctifying grace, and its stain is a corrupt nature.

This theology removes Christ from the Godhead and removes his atonement for sin.
They Believe Christ was a Prophet.

This is where it gets odd here is a verse from the Quran:

{O Mary, Verily God gives you glad tidings of a word from Him, whose name will be the Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary – held in honor in this world and the Hereafter and will be one of those who are near to God.} (Al `Imran 3:45)

They Believe all children are born sinless,but give special honor to Mary.
They Believe Christ was the Messiah was one of those near God.

Sorry to offend my Catholic friends but considering the date Islam came into a religion the Roman Catholic Church was very powerful.
I cannot help to believe that Islam had influences from Rome.

Wikipedia quote :

Catholic teachings make clear that Mary is not considered divine and prayers to her are not answered by her, but rather by God through her intercession. ... The Blessed VirginMary, the mother of Jesus has a more central role in Roman Catholic teachings and beliefs than in any other major Christian group.

The problem is her being our intersessor ,to God the Father rather than Christ.

This thread is based on theology that the Bible does not support.
I do not want to offend or debate Catholic doctrine.

But if anyone can support this theology through Gods Word I would do a study.

I would point out on the statement that prayers are not answered by her is illogical.
If she is our intersessor, then she is the person who gets the prayers answered by her intervention.

Viren · Sep 20, 2017

now faith said:
The narrative is in line with what Paul said in that Ishmael was not the son God had promised.
It was Sarah's lack of Faith and Abraham disobeyed God by having a child by Hagar.
The generations of Ham were cursed by Noah ,by Ham came the enemies of Israel as well Sodom and Gomorrah.
Noah declared that Shem ,and Jappath would dwell in tents together.Shem is the origin of the Hebrew people and Jappath went to the isles of the Gentiles.
The earth was divided in those days this is why they were called the Isles of the Gentiles,you can refer to the Blessing of Noah and his generations to confirm.
We received our sin nature through Adam,and were redeemed through Christ.
Some say first and last Adam.
Here is what we do know on Ishmael

Genesis 16: 11. And the angel of the LORD said unto her, Behold, thou art with child, and shalt bear a son, and shalt call his name Ishmael; because the LORD hath heard thy affliction. 12. And he will be a wild man; his hand will be against every man, and every man's hand against him; and he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren. -

I trust the bible when it says the that the story of Hagar, Sarah and Abraham is an allegory. The other option is to take it literally and believe that God commanded Abraham to commit murder by sacrificing Isaac. That goes against God's own law and seems the polar opposite of Jesus. There's an old saying that the stranger scripture is, the deeper the spiritual truth it's trying to convey.

hhodgson · Sep 20, 2017

(LittleLambofJesus)... What an awesome chopper (helicopter). This reminds me of a dream (nightmare) I had about three months ago. I dreamed I was (back) in Vietnam in (69) in a Huey helicopter gunship when the chopper swerved sharply to the left... and I fell out. (No parachute)! I don't know how that turned out in my dream... but, I was a little sore when I picked myself up... from the floor. I (actually) fell out of bed. Things like that happen once in a while. It wasn't the first time...

Cool!

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Penny Feeley · Sep 20, 2017

hhodgson said:
(LittleLambofJesus)... What an awesome chopper (helicopter). This reminds me of a dream (nightmare) I had about three months ago. I dreamed I was (back) in Vietnam in (69) in a Huey helicopter gunship when the chopper swerved sharply to the left... and I fell out. (No parachute)! I don't know how that turned out in my dream... but, I was a little sore when I picked myself up... from the floor. I (actually) fell out of bed. Things like that happen once in a while. It wasn't the first time...

Cool!

Thank you for serving our country!

LittleLambofJesus · Sep 20, 2017

Viren said:
I trust the bible when it says the that the story of Hagar, Sarah and Abraham is an allegory. The other option is to take it literally and believe that God commanded Abraham to commit murder by sacrificing Isaac. That goes against God's own law and seems the polar opposite of Jesus.
There's an old saying that the stranger scripture is, the deeper the spiritual truth it's trying to convey.

I tend to agree.
When I first read thru Ezekiel, after reading thru the NT first, I thought I was reading a science fiction fantasy book, but as delved deeper into to it , I started to see tons of parallelisms to the book of Revelation.
Ezekiel 8:3 kind of made me chuckle just a bit the first time, then I realized that a similar event is shown in Revelation concerning John been taken by Spirit.......pretty fascinating

Allusions in Revelation from Old Testament
Allusions in Revelation from Old Testament

Ezekiel 8:3
He stretched out the form of a hand, and took me by a lock of my hair; and the Spirit lifted me up between earth and heaven,
and brought me in visions of God to Jerusalem, to the door of the north gate of the inner court, where the seat of the image of jealousy was, which provokes to jealousy.
[Revelation 17:3]

Revelaton 17:3
And he carries me away into a wilderness in spirit,
and I saw a Woman[old Jerusalem?] sitting on a beast, scarlet, being replete of names of blasphemy having heads, seven, and horns, ten. [Ezekiel 8:3]
Revelation 21:10
And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain,
and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem[New Jerusalem?], descending out of heaven from God,"

Ezekiel is the Old Testament version of Revelation. You start in Ezekiel with the chariot of Cherubims, and Christ seated atop on a sapphire throne. Christ is seen as golden or amber from his loins upward, and fire from his loins downward (see last few verses of Ezek. 1). And this is Christ all over again in Rev 1, where he is girt about the paps with gold and his legs like brass burning in a furnace!

EZEKIEL AND REVELATION PARALLEL

1. THRONE VISION - (Rev 4./Ezek 1).
2. THE BOOK (Rev 5/Ezek 2-3)
3. THE PLAGUES (Rev 6:1-8/Ezek 5).
4. Slain Beneath the Altar (Rev. 6:9-11/Ezek. 6)
5. WRATH OF GOD (Rev 6:12-17/Ezek 7).
6. SEAL ON SAINTS' FOREHEADS (Rev 7/Ezek 9)
7. COALS FROM ALTAR (Rev. 8/Ezek 10).
8. NO MORE DELAY (Rev. 10:1-7/Ezek 12).
9. EATING THE BOOK (Rev 10:8-11/Ezek. 2)
11. MEASURING THE TEMPLE (Rev. 11:1-2/Ezek. 40-43)
11. JERUSALEM AND SODOM (Rev. 11:8/Ezek 16)
12. CUP OF WRATH (Rev. 14/Ezek. 23).
13. VINE OF THE LAND (Rev. 14:18-20/Ezek 15)
14. GREAT HARLOT (Rev 17-18/Ezek. 16, 23).
15. LAMENT OVER THE CITY (Rev. 18/Ezek 27)
16. SCAVENGER'S FEAST (Rev. 19/Ezek 39)
17. FIRST RESURRECTION (Rev 20:4-6/Ezek 37).
18 BATTLE WITH GOG AND MAGOG (Rev. 20:7-9/Ezek 38-39)
19. NEW JERUSALEM (Rev 21/Ezek 40-48)
20. RIVER OF LIFE (Rev 22/Ezek 47)

hhodgson · Sep 20, 2017

Penny Feeley said:
Thank you for serving our country!

Welcome to the forum... and thank you very much. For (many) of us veterans... the war isn't over until were called home.

now faith · Sep 21, 2017

Viren said:
I trust the bible when it says the that the story of Hagar, Sarah and Abraham is an allegory. The other option is to take it literally and believe that God commanded Abraham to commit murder by sacrificing Isaac. That goes against God's own law and seems the polar opposite of Jesus. There's an old saying that the stranger scripture is, the deeper the spiritual truth it's trying to convey.

Ok Paul's allegory in Galatians is that of Ismael respresenting the law of Moses,and Jesus would represent the Child of Promise.
Paul using a literary device to teach Galations about returning to the law,rather that their salvation by grace.
God created a means for Abraham, to see a picture of the future events.
Abraham had faith in God,and believed if he was obedient God would raise the boy back from the dead..

now faith · Sep 22, 2017

Viren said:
I trust the bible when it says the that the story of Hagar, Sarah and Abraham is an allegory. The other option is to take it literally and believe that God commanded Abraham to commit murder by sacrificing Isaac. That goes against God's own law and seems the polar opposite of Jesus. There's an old saying that the stranger scripture is, the deeper the spiritual truth it's trying to convey.

Bible Commentaries
Keil & Delitzsch
It is somewhat complicated on this issue ,so I am quoting a commentary from Keil and Delitzsch Quote:
Offering Up of Isaac. - For many years had Abraham waited to be fulfilled. At length the Lord had given him the desired heir of his body by his wife Sarah, and directed him to send away the son of the maid. And now that this son had grown into a young man, the word of God came to Abraham to offer up this very son, who had been given to him as the heir of the promise, for a burnt-offering, upon one of the mountains which should be shown him. This word did not come from his own heart, - was not a thought suggested by the sight of the human sacrifices of the Canaanites, that he would offer a similar sacrifice to his God; nor did it originate with the tempter to evil. The word came from Ha-Elohim, the personal, true God, who tried him (נסּה), i.e., demanded the sacrifice of the only, beloved son, as a proof and attestation of his faith. The issue shows, that God did not desire the sacrifice of Isaac by slaying and burning him upon the altar, but his complete surrender, and a willingness to offer him up to God even by death.
Nevertheless the divine command was given in such a form, that Abraham could not understand it in any other way than as requiring an outward burnt-offering, because there was no other way in which Abraham could accomplish the complete surrender of Isaac, than by an actual preparation for really offering the desired sacrifice. This constituted the trial, which necessarily produced a severe internal conflict in his mind. Unquote

I believe Abrahams misunderstanding of Gods requirement has caused a misunderstanding as to God tempting Abraham rather than a complete surrender of Isaac.

now faith · Sep 23, 2017

LittleLambofJesus said:
When I first started reading the Bible when I came to Christ, I read the NT first.
That made the OT much easier to understand and I could see Jesus everywhere in it.
Good post!
There is a movement afoot to get the Jews of today to read the NT/NC and I pray they read the book of Revelation, especially since 12 of their tribes are mentioned [Dan and Ephraim are missing]
Over the centuries, I believe a lot of Jew have converted to Christ, but it is not easy for them and why it is difficult for Christians to minister to them [and Muslims also].

2 Corin 3:14
but their minds were hardened:
for until this very day at the reading of the old covenant the same veil remaineth unlifted;
which veil is done away in Christ.
Act 7:51
“You stiff-necked and uncircumcised in heart and ears! You always resist the Holy Spirit;
as your fathers did, so do you. [Deut 10:16]

Jews are gradually told to read the NT, whether it leads them to Jesus or not, and I pray this trend continues.

What Jews Can Learn from the New Testament | My Jewish Learning
What Jews Can Learn from the New Testament

Almost all of the books of the NT were written by Jews, many of them during one of the most eventful periods of Jewish history: just before and just after the destruction of the Second Temple (in 70 C.E.). Very few Jewish writings from that century survive, and none by the rabbis, the representatives of what soon became normative Judaism, since the rabbis of that period felt that their teachings had to remain oral (a position they eventually abandoned). So really the only surviving religious books written by Jews in the first and second centuries are a few of the later Dead Sea Scrolls and the NT.

Jews can read the NT to see both the strong Jewish values and the strong anti-Jewish values there. Virtually every page of the NT addresses Judaism either implicitly or explicitly.
Jews who want to read a “Jewish book” will find much of interest there.............................

....................

Strange Song,kinda edgy

1stcenturylady · Sep 23, 2017

tturt said:
Now Faith, I've noticed it a lot recently, too. It's to the point when providing Scriptural support, I just refer to NT mostly because if it's OT, it's not even considered applicable by more folks than previously. Don't know if it's a new religion, cessationism on steroids.

But "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:" II Tim 3:16

OT is great and informative about the likes and dislikes of God. However, sometimes the NT will show the fulfillment of a foreshadow in the OT, thus making it null and void in favor of substance.

For instance, rest in Jesus replaced rest on a specific day of the week. Rest in Jesus is everyday, not just once a week. Sunday is tradition, not law. We are only under the law of love.

Separation between clean and unclean meats has been replaced by the gospel going to the Gentiles, not just the Jews.

Circumcision of the flesh has been replaced by a spiritual circumcision of the heart.

now faith · Sep 24, 2017

1stcenturylady said:
OT is great and informative about the likes and dislikes of God. However, sometimes the NT will show the fulfillment of a foreshadow in the OT, thus making it null and void in favor of substance.

For instance, rest in Jesus replaced rest on a specific day of the week. Rest in Jesus is everyday, not just once a week. Sunday is tradition, not law. We are only under the law of love.

Separation between clean and unclean meats has been replaced by the gospel going to the Gentiles, not just the Jews.

Circumcision of the flesh has been replaced by a spiritual circumcision of the heart.

Granted in that we have a better covenant, and the sanitary ordinances have been made clean.
But mainly we see salvation by works ,replaced by Grace through faith.
We have to keep in mind that Christ did not come to destroy the law but fulfilled the law.

Romans 8: 2. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. 3. For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: 4. That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

As Christians we still have to walk in the spirit not in the flesh.

We cannot do this alone,we have the Holy Spirit manifested in us,to teach ,guide and convict us in our walk through this world.

But staying on topic ,I still believe without understanding the Old Testament it would be difficult to understand the New Testment.

To have Faith to receive Gods Grace we must know why Gods Grace is offered in the first place.
We need the history of God and man to know why we could not sanctify ourselves.
If we leave out the Old Testament for our understanding, we are only reading half the book.
It is like reading a novel, and starting in the middle,we may just as well go to revelation and wait for Christ to return.
I'm not being trite by saying without a foundation your house will fall.

Matthew 7: 21. Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23. And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. 24. Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock: 25. And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock. 26. And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand: 27. And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.
Everything Jesus quoted from Gods Word was from the Old Testament, unless a person believes that the teaching of Jesus was for Hebrews only, we need a understanding of what Jesus based his teaching on.
God Bless

1stcenturylady · Sep 24, 2017

now faith said:
Granted in that we have a better covenant, and the sanitary ordinances have been made clean.
But mainly we see salvation by works ,replaced by Grace through faith.
We have to keep in mind that Christ did not come to destroy the law but fulfilled the law.

Romans 8: 2. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. 3. For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: 4. That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

As Christians we still have to walk in the spirit not in the flesh.

We cannot do this alone,we have the Holy Spirit manifested in us,to teach ,guide and convict us in our walk through this world.

But staying on topic ,I still believe without understanding the Old Testament it would be difficult to understand the New Testment.

To have Faith to receive Gods Grace we must know why Gods Grace is offered in the first place.
We need the history of God and man to know why we could not sanctify ourselves.
If we leave out the Old Testament for our understanding, we are only reading half the book.
It is like reading a novel, and starting in the middle,we may just as well go to revelation and wait for Christ to return.
I'm not being trite by saying without a foundation your house will fall.

Matthew 7: 21. Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23. And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. 24. Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock: 25. And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock. 26. And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand: 27. And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.
Everything Jesus quoted from Gods Word was from the Old Testament, unless a person believes that the teaching of Jesus was for Hebrews only, we need a understanding of what Jesus based his teaching on.
God Bless

I agree. One thing I have found about grace is because of the Holy Spirit given to us to indwell us, grace has become the power of God to make us dead to sin and give us new desires that are of the Spirit and not of the flesh. Desires to love what God loves, and hate what God hates.

Acts 4:33 "And with great power the apostles gave witness to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus. And great grace was upon them all.

That verse contains a Hebrew parallel - saying the same thing twice in two different ways. Therefore grace of God is power of God. A Hebrew parallel is one of the Hebrew styles of writing, as opposed to a Greek style. You can write in Greek and Jews will still use a Hebrew style.

now faith · Sep 24, 2017

1stcenturylady said:
I agree. One thing I have found about grace is because of the Holy Spirit given to us to indwell us, grace has become the power of God to make us dead to sin and give us new desires that are of the Spirit and not of the flesh. Desires to love what God loves, and hate what God hates.

Acts 4:33 "And with great power the apostles gave witness to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus. And great grace was upon them all.

That verse contains a Hebrew parallel - saying the same thing twice in two different ways. Therefore grace of God is power of God. A Hebrew parallel is one of the Hebrew styles of writing, as opposed to a Greek style. You can write in Greek and Jews will still use a Hebrew style.

Those who teach salvation by works,seem to think grace is a way a person justifies sin.
Grace is unmerited favor,it is a free gift that applies to salvation but can apply to many things.
It differs from mercy in that with mercy a offence has been forgiven.
The grace of God in Christ shows us Gods incredible mercy,to the point of giving all for us.
The power of grace comes after salvation through our spirits being quickened by Faith in Christ,and made manifest through the Holy Spirit.
I personally believe it's harder for those who walk in the Spirit to sin ,than those who practice a constant state of sanctification through good works.
There is no pride walking in the spirit,pride comes from works.
We walk in the spirit being aware of the function of the Holy Ghost.
True knowledge is given through Gods Word ,having the Holy Ghost as our teacher ,in the revelation of the truth.

I doubt there is a Theologian that has been able to scratch the surface of what is contained in Both Testament 's of Gods living Word.

The Bible is the highest level of text the World has ever known.
It transcends time,it is multi faceted, and will stand forever.

The Bible is our power over darkness,as Christ used nothing but scripture to rebuke Satan.
The precepts taught in Old and New Testment, if they were followed peace would be on earth and man would take back his dominion given to him by God.
Satan took man's legal right in the garden for dominion on earth.
Christ gave it back to those in him.
We as the body of Christ have the authority to rule the kingdom's of all the earth,but for most we do not have the faith.
Why?
Because Satan has deceived the believers into doubt and fear.

1stcenturylady · Sep 25, 2017

now faith said:
Those who teach salvation by works,seem to think grace is a way a person justifies sin.
Grace is unmerited favor,it is a free gift that applies to salvation but can apply to many things.
It differs from mercy in that with mercy a offence has been forgiven.
The grace of God in Christ shows us Gods incredible mercy,to the point of giving all for us.
The power of grace comes after salvation through our spirits being quickened by Faith in Christ,and made manifest through the Holy Spirit.
I personally believe it's harder for those who walk in the Spirit to sin ,than those who practice a constant state of sanctification through good works.
There is no pride walking in the spirit,pride comes from works.
We walk in the spirit being aware of the function of the Holy Ghost.
True knowledge is given through Gods Word ,having the Holy Ghost as our teacher ,in the revelation of the truth.

I doubt there is a Theologian that has been able to scratch the surface of what is contained in Both Testament 's of Gods living Word.

The Bible is the highest level of text the World has ever known.
It transcends time,it is multi faceted, and will stand forever.

The Bible is our power over darkness,as Christ used nothing but scripture to rebuke Satan.
The precepts taught in Old and New Testment, if they were followed peace would be on earth and man would take back his dominion given to him by God.
Satan took man's legal right in the garden for dominion on earth.
Christ gave it back to those in him.
We as the body of Christ have the authority to rule the kingdom's of all the earth,but for most we do not have the faith.
Why?
Because Satan has deceived the believers into doubt and fear.

Grace is unmerited favor in that Jesus died for us while we were still sinners. But after we accept Him and He gives us His Spirit, then that which proceeds from Him is His power. Thus grace becomes power. The notion that grace is still unmerited favor leads to grace is a license to sin.

now faith · Sep 25, 2017

1stcenturylady said:
Grace is unmerited favor in that Jesus died for us while we were still sinners. But after we accept Him and He gives us His Spirit, then that which proceeds from Him is His power. Thus grace becomes power. The notion that grace is still unmerited favor leads to grace is a license to sin.

Well that certainly is not the case according to Gods Word,I personally do not believe any Bible believing Christian believes they have a license to sin.
Romans 3: 20. Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin. 21. But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; 22. Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference: 23. For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; 24. Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: 25. Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; 26. To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus. 27. Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith. 28. Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law. 29. Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also: 30. Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith. 31. Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

1stcenturylady · Sep 25, 2017

now faith said:
Well that certainly is not the case according to Gods Word,I personally do not believe any Bible believing Christian believes they have a license to sin.
Romans 3: 20. Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin. 21. But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; 22. Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference: 23. For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; 24. Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: 25. Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; 26. To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus. 27. Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith. 28. Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law. 29. Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also: 30. Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith. 31. Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

So then according to your interpretation how does grace handle sin? Do we still sin?

now faith · Sep 26, 2017

Another aspect of this New Religon ,is the constant questioning of the salvation of others.
I suffered through a young man's sermon the other night.
He told of his life before he was saved,and how his passions with trucks were his idol.
Fine ,ok so you told the congregation before you were saved your priority was not God.
Well this turned into some outlandish teaching that 2/3 of people in Church are not saved,one group places material things ahead of God like he had done, the other did not have a relationship with God or went to Church thinking Church will save them by attendances.
What a tired mess of partial Calvinism and sheering the sheep.
The young man does well with work In the Church and is a nice guy,but he wants to preach and needs some help.
Unknowingly he insulted the congregation, and applied his experience as a sinner to the congregation.

I pray for our young Preachers to suceed,but they will not make it parroting something they heard on the radio.

It's not the Preachers call to doubt the salvation of the Church,or judge anyone they do not even know their name.
But in pulpits across America legalistic non Bibical sermons are being spewed out.
We wonder why church attendance is declining.
We need sound teaching for edification and knowlage.
We do not need try to save the congregation from Hell.

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