The Creator Has Invalidated Knowing Earth's Age Through Scientific Enquiry

Obliquinaut · Sep 13, 2017

Here's how it went down (with my added commentary)

Larnievc said:
Even when he leaves evidence in the Bible that contradicts evidence in the earth?

Goatee said:
Like what?

(At this point you have indicated that are playing coy. You could have simply pointed out that you are not a YEC which means you have no problem correlating the Bible to the reality of the data. Now, of course, it is CLEAR to anyone that Larnievic was discussing the literalist interpretation not lining up with the data.
Now, of course, later on I noted that indeed the Bible is silent on the actual age, but the Bible is NOT silent on the order of which certain living things came into being. I noted that here:

Obliquinaut said:
Even if one wishes to ignore Bishop Ussher's calculation, the BIble literally read, has mankind showing up near the beginning. AND it also indicates an order of creation in direct opposition to what we see preserved in the rock record.

But you responded to only part of it (the part the BIble is silent on.) Your excuse for ignoring my point?

Goatee said:
No, I just answered as I saw fit.

Which of course is pretty much exactly what I described. You choose only to address those points which allow you to drive to the specific point you want to make while ignoring any points that might speak to other aspects of the discussion.

So by all means, respond with one sentence or no real information. Meanwhile I'll support my position. I understand if you don't want to bother to support your statements. Don't worry, I'm used to intellectual laziness here on CF.

lesliedellow · Sep 13, 2017

AV1611VET said:
I take it you don't think Jesus' parables were real events He witnessed?

Do I think Jesus ever saw a farmer sowing seed? It is possible, even probable, given the culture he lived in, but so what? The Parable of the Sower is just that - a parable.

Obliquinaut · Sep 13, 2017

Goatee said:
Seems to me that you like telling people how YOU think they are etc etc!

Goatee, I've been a teacher. I've read Juvenissun's posts and I don't think he shows teaching capability. Certainly not in the manner I would characterize as a good teacher.

But of course, so far in my discussions with you I've been the only one who has been clear and supported his position with detail.

(there I added a nice gif for you! It will help alleviate you from having to read too much).

AV1611VET · Sep 13, 2017

lesliedellow said:
The Parable of the Sower is just that - a parable.

Yes ... an earthly story with a heavenly meaning.

2tim_215 · Sep 13, 2017

2tim_215 said:
And why is that? Is it not possible that a son of a wealthy father might leave him to go out on his own in order to engage in debauchery , find out that the grass is not greener on the other side and then come back and be embraced by his father who had lost him? Why would he not rejoice, especially if he were a believer? Are you saying that this is not a believable story? You may view it allegorically (which you can) but that doesn't mean that it didn't actually happen, considering it's probably happened many times since.

Goatee · Sep 13, 2017

Obliquinaut said:
Here's how it went down (with my added commentary)

(At this point you have indicated that are playing coy. You could have simply pointed out that you are not a YEC which means you have no problem correlating the Bible to the reality of the data. Now, of course, it is CLEAR to anyone that Larnievic was discussing the literalist interpretation not lining up with the data.
Now, of course, later on I noted that indeed the Bible is silent on the actual age, but the Bible is NOT silent on the order of which certain living things came into being. I noted that here:

But you responded to only part of it (the part the BIble is silent on.) Your excuse for ignoring my point?

Which of course is pretty much exactly what I described. You choose only to address those points which allow you to drive to the specific point you want to make while ignoring any points that might speak to other aspects of the discussion.

So by all means, respond with one sentence or no real information. Meanwhile I'll support my position. I understand if you don't want to bother to support your statements. Don't worry, I'm used to intellectual laziness here on CF.

Lol........ :doh:

Goatee · Sep 13, 2017

Obliquinaut said:
Goatee, I've been a teacher. I've read Juvenissun's posts and I don't think he shows teaching capability. Certainly not in the manner I would characterize as a good teacher.

But of course, so far in my discussions with you I've been the only one who has been clear and supported his position with detail.

(there I added a nice gif for you! It will help alleviate you from having to read too much).

Nasty. That's not very Christian of you! Oops, of course it's not. You are not a Christian! :doh:

JackRT · Sep 13, 2017

AV1611VET said:
I take it you don't think Jesus' parables were real events He witnessed?

They don't have to be actual events to be true.

2tim_215 · Sep 13, 2017

Something interesting. Jesus spoke of many parables and let's list them:
1) The parable of the Sower (Matt 13:18)
2) The parable of the Kingdom of Heaven (Matt 13:24)
3) Another Kingdom of Heaven Parable (Matt 13:31)
4) A 3rd Kingdom of Heaven Parable, the one concerning leaven (Matt 13:33)
5) The Parable of the Vineyard (Matt 21:33)
6) The Parable of the fig tree (Matt 24:32)
7) The Parable on what defiles a man (Mark 7:17)
8) (The Parable of the new Garment vs the Old (Luke 5:36)
9) The Parable of the Blind leading the Blind (Luke 6:36)
10) The parable of those who were Bidden (Luke 14:7)
11) The parable of the Lost Sheep (Luke 15:3)
12) The parable of the Widow and the Judge (Luke 18:1)
13) The Parable of the Prideful Pharisee and the Publican (Luke 18:19)
14) The parable of the Nobleman and his servants who returned to his Kingdom (Luke 19:11)
15) Parable of the Husbandman and his vineyard (Luke 20:9)
16) The Parable of the Shepherd and his Sheep (John 10:8)

There's probably a few I missed but in every one of these the Bible tells us it's a parable. There's no such mention of this in the story of the Prodigal son (Luke 15:11) , yet some are so sure that this didn't really happen. Pretty arrogant if you ask me to be so "matter of fact" about it. Just like some of those anti-creation statements perhaps.

2tim_215 · Sep 13, 2017

JackRT said:
They don't have to be actual events to be true.

True. But they certainly can be.

Obliquinaut · Sep 13, 2017

Goatee said:
Lol........

I love it that you find someone defending their position head-slap worthy. I must admit I'm very impressed at little actual information one gains from your posts!

Bravo! Bravo! I would shout "author, author", but sadly it appears there really isn't one.

OOpsy, should I include some fun animated gifs? I don't want you to get bored.

Obliquinaut · Sep 13, 2017

Goatee said:
Nasty. That's not very Christian of you! Oops, of course it's not. You are not a Christian!

Thanks! You are correct!

juvenissun · Sep 13, 2017

Queller said:
Then it should be easy for you to give me an example.

A trap for animal.

Queller · Sep 13, 2017

juvenissun said:
A trap for animal.

We aren't talking about deceiving animals, we're talking about deceiving humans. Care to try again?

Goatee · Sep 13, 2017

Obliquinaut said:
I love it that you find someone defending their position head-slap worthy. I must admit I'm very impressed at little actual information one gains from your posts!

Bravo! Bravo! I would shout "author, author", but sadly it appears there really isn't one.

OOpsy, should I include some fun animated gifs? I don't want you to get bored.

You post a lot yourself I can see. Pity it is just a lot of hot air! Lol

God bless you buddy

juvenissun · Sep 13, 2017

Queller said:
We aren't talking about deceiving animals, we're talking about deceiving humans. Care to try again?

No.
It illustrated what deceiving means.

lesliedellow · Sep 13, 2017

2tim_215 said:
There's probably a few I missed but in every one of these the Bible tells us it's a parable. There's no such mention of this in the story of the Prodigal son (Luke 15:11) , yet some are so sure that this didn't really happen. Pretty arrogant if you ask me to be so "matter of fact" about it. Just like some of those anti-creation statements perhaps.

Why is it so important to you that the story relate something which actually happened? It is told to make a theological point, and, as with other parables, that point is not dependent upon the historicity, or otherwise, of the story told.

Queller · Sep 13, 2017

juvenissun said:
No.
It illustrated what deceiving means.

But I asked for an example of you deceiving me without lying to me. If you can't do that, then your point is invalid.

juvenissun · Sep 13, 2017

Queller said:
But I asked for an example of you deceiving me without lying to me. If you can't do that, then your point is invalid.

OK. I have never thought that I want to deceive you. You are smart. It is doable, but not easy.

OK, here is one. I talked like a teacher. Am I a teacher?

Obliquinaut · Sep 13, 2017

Goatee said:
You post a lot yourself I can see. Pity it is just a lot of hot air! Lol

The difference is, Goatee, I attempt to usually make trenchant points. I usually don't limit myself to animated gifs and lols. But that's what some people prefer, it's easier.

Definitely let me know if you post anything that's of value! I'd be interested in seeing it! I was looking forward to you actually getting around to the point you were driving to on this thread, but alas I didn't have the patience to wait for you to play your game all the way to the end. I was waiting for someone to post whatever it was that was going to allow you to "spring your trap" and make your point. But alas, that would probably have required more than one sentence and so I doubt it was going to happen anytime soon.

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