Why does Jesus' Resurrection constitute indisputable proof that He was God?

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Lee Strobel and several Christian apologists have focused on proving that Jesus' Resurrection actually happened as an indisputable argument that He was The Son Of God / God Himself. However, I see this to be a false dilemma fallacy. Even if Jesus' Resurrection actually occurred and everything He has stated in the Bible is accurate, how exactly does that prove that what He said is true? There are countless possibilities that could have allowed The Resurrection to happen without Jesus being of divine nature. Our current understanding of science tells us that we know incredibly little about the laws of physics and the universe. Scientific advancements over the past couple of centuries have been remarkable, and if they continue in the same way we could be able to revive people through cell-level alterations in the next millennia. Maybe we will discover superior lifeforms on other planets and find a way to travel through time.

Here are some potential explanations for Jesus' Resurrection that our current science cannot explain, but do not go against reason:

- Jesus could have been a superior life form from another planet who possessed advanced holographic technology that allowed Him to alter human perception or transform His appearance to make Himself look human, or / and who was biologically advanced enough as to regenerate and revive Himself after physical death.

- Jesus could have been a human time traveler from the future who possessed advanced technology that allowed Him to revive humans (research in nanotechnology hypothesizes that it is possible for nanites to be inserted into human cells to instantly duplicate them whenever they are about to be destroyed).

- Jesus could have been someone (an angel? a spirit?) sent by God to test His people whether they obey what was said in Deuteronomy 13:1-2-18. I mean, God is known for testing people throughout the Old Testament.

And I'm sure that there are other possible explanations that future scientific technology will unveil for Jesus' Resurrection.

Therefore, why do apologists claim that The Resurrection is the linchpin of Christianity and that if Jesus came back from the dead, then that proves that He is Who He said He was?
 
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Lee Strobel and several Christian apologists have focused on proving that Jesus' Resurrection actually happened as an indisputable argument that He was The Son Of God / God Himself. However, I see this to be a false dilemma fallacy. Even if Jesus' Resurrection actually occurred and everything He has stated in the Bible is accurate, how exactly does that prove that what He said is true? There are countless possibilities that could have allowed The Resurrection to happen without Jesus being of divine nature. Our current understanding of science tells us that we know incredibly little about the laws of physics and the universe. Scientific advancements over the past couple of centuries have been remarkable, and if they continue in the same way we could be able to revive people through cell-level alterations in the next millennia. Maybe we will discover superior lifeforms on other planets and find a way to travel through time.

Here are some potential explanations for Jesus' Resurrection that our current science cannot explain, but do not go against reason:

- Jesus could have been a superior life form from another planet who possessed advanced holographic technology that allowed him to alter human perception or transform His appearance to make Himself look human, or / and who was biologically advanced enough as to regenerate and revive Himself after physical death.

- Jesus could have been a human time traveler from the future who possessed advanced technology that allowed Him to revive humans (research in nanotechnology hypothesizes that it is possible for nanites to be inserted into human cells to instantly duplicate them whenever they are about to be destroyed).

- Jesus could have been someone (an angel? a spirit?) sent by God to test His people whether they obey what was said in Deuteronomy 13:1-2-18. I mean, God is known for testing people throughout the Old Testament.

And I'm sure that there are other possible explanations that future scientific technology will unveil for Jesus' Resurrection.

Therefore, why do apologists claim that The Resurrection is the linchpin of Christianity and that if Jesus came back from the dead, then that proves that He is Who He said He was?
1cor3:20
 
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Two reason.
Paul in 1 Cor 15 v14 etc says that if Christ is not raised our faith is useless.
In short that there is no Christianity.
the other reason is to account for Christianity. Why did the apostles, who all run when Jesus was arrested, suddenly refuse to change their story even when facing death? What happened to them?

Your explainations are more fantastic than the reality.
 
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Lee Strobel and several Christian apologists have focused on proving that Jesus' Resurrection actually happened as an indisputable argument that He was The Son Of God / God Himself. However, I see this to be a false dilemma fallacy. Even if Jesus' Resurrection actually occurred and everything He has stated in the Bible is accurate, how exactly does that prove that what He said is true? There are countless possibilities that could have allowed The Resurrection to happen without Jesus being of divine nature. Our current understanding of science tells us that we know incredibly little about the laws of physics and the universe. Scientific advancements over the past couple of centuries have been remarkable, and if they continue in the same way we could be able to revive people through cell-level alterations in the next millennia. Maybe we will discover superior lifeforms on other planets and find a way to travel through time.

Here are some potential explanations for Jesus' Resurrection that our current science cannot explain, but do not go against reason:

- Jesus could have been a superior life form from another planet who possessed advanced holographic technology that allowed Him to alter human perception or transform His appearance to make Himself look human, or / and who was biologically advanced enough as to regenerate and revive Himself after physical death.

- Jesus could have been a human time traveler from the future who possessed advanced technology that allowed Him to revive humans (research in nanotechnology hypothesizes that it is possible for nanites to be inserted into human cells to instantly duplicate them whenever they are about to be destroyed).

- Jesus could have been someone (an angel? a spirit?) sent by God to test His people whether they obey what was said in Deuteronomy 13:1-2-18. I mean, God is known for testing people throughout the Old Testament.

And I'm sure that there are other possible explanations that future scientific technology will unveil for Jesus' Resurrection.

Therefore, why do apologists claim that The Resurrection is the linchpin of Christianity and that if Jesus came back from the dead, then that proves that He is Who He said He was?


The human wisdom He offered showed that He was our Creator
and told the Truth about being the Son of God. This rules out
your other options. Even ignoring any physical miracles.

28 Thomas replied, “My Lord and my God!”
29 Jesus said to him,“Because you have seen Me, you have believed;
blessed are those who have not seen, and yet have believed.”
 
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There are countless possibilities that could have allowed The Resurrection to happen without Jesus being of divine nature. Our current understanding of science tells us that we know incredibly little about the laws of physics and the universe. Scientific advancements over the past couple of centuries have been remarkable, and if they continue in the same way we could be able to revive people through cell-level alterations in the next millennia. Maybe we will discover superior lifeforms on other planets and find a way to travel through time.


Here are some potential explanations for Jesus' Resurrection that our current science cannot explain, but do not go against reason:


- Jesus could have been a superior life form from another planet who possessed advanced holographic technology that allowed Him to alter human perception or transform His appearance to make Himself look human, or / and who was biologically advanced enough as to regenerate and revive Himself after physical death.


- Jesus could have been a human time traveler from the future who possessed advanced technology that allowed Him to revive humans (research in nanotechnology hypothesizes that it is possible for nanites to be inserted into human cells to instantly duplicate them whenever they are about to be destroyed).


- Jesus could have been someone (an angel? a spirit?) sent by God to test His people whether they obey what was said in Deuteronomy 13:1-2-18. I mean, God is known for testing people throughout the Old Testament.


And I'm sure that there are other possible explanations that future scientific technology will unveil for Jesus' Resurrection.

Hello friend. Thank you for this discussion.

These sorts of ideas seem to justify Jesus with human reason and equate to Him as a human, and not God in flesh.

Jesus was more than just a man. Jesus conquered death - wanna know ask. :)

Would a belief that Jesus is an alien or time traveller make it easier to accept Him?


Therefore, why do apologists claim that The Resurrection is the linchpin of Christianity and that if Jesus came back from the dead, then that proves that He is Who He said He was?

John 20:27 -28
Then he said to Thomas, "Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe.

Thomas said to him, "My Lord and my God!"



The resurrection is integral to Christian doctrine and it is vital element but it is not 'the' linchpin of Christianity. JESUS Himself is the linchpin.

The resurrection was an action that had some specific results, meanings and validation.

John 15:13
"Greater love has no one than this, that one lay down his life for his friends.

John 10:11
"I am the good shepherd; the good shepherd lays down His life for the sheep.


Here is the reason for the resurrection.

Hebrews 9:15
For this reason He is the mediator of a new covenant, so that, since a death has taken place for the redemption of the transgressions that were committed under the first covenant, those who have been called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance.



The resurrection has to do with atonement. Since OT times, one needed to sacrifice to God to be clean of Sin. To atone for sin.

Sin = disobedience to God.

JESUS is the sacrificial lamb for us to be cleanned from sin and enter into a new covenant with God - short answer, wanna now more just ask :)

The resurrection served to atone for sin. The resurrection paved the way for JESUS to go into 'the underworld' and preach to the dead who were before the crucifixion.

The resurrection was also validation. The resurrection also relates to another vital element. FAITH.

This is a condensed reply. Please ask me if there is anything i can elaborate on.

Lee Strobel and several Christian apologists have focused on proving that Jesus' Resurrection actually happened as an indisputable argument that He was The Son Of God / God Himself.

3 days of death = rigor mortis. The implausible happens. JESUS is alive. This event has more to do with FAITH. A miracle happened.

I could suggest that being born to a virgin and being resurrected seems like a supernatural if not incredible story. Therefore it could only be an act of God and serves to solidify that there was something more to JESUS.

Or is the question how do we get Jesus the Son = God?

Even if Jesus' Resurrection actually occurred and everything He has stated in the Bible is accurate, how exactly does that prove that what He said is true?

Isaiah 53, the classic messianic prophecy known as the “Suffering Servant” prophecy, also details the death of Messiah for the sins of His people. More than 700 years before Jesus was even born, Isaiah provides details of His life and death.

The Messiah will be rejected (Isaiah 53:3; Luke 13:34). The Messiah will be killed as a vicarious sacrifice for the sins of His people (Isaiah 53:5–9; 2 Corinthians 5:21). The Messiah will be silent in front of His accusers (Isaiah 53:7; 1 Peter 2:23). The Messiah will be buried with the rich (Isaiah 53:9; Matthew 27:57–60). The Messiah will be with criminals in His death (Isaiah 53:12; Mark 15:27).

A messiah was promised in the OT to the jews. Jesus claims to be that messiah. Jesus also claims to be more.

The ppl followed him due to his gifts of healing, reason and the miraculous

Matthew 21:46.
They ( pharasies ) looked for a way to arrest him, but they were afraid of the crowd because the people held that he was a prophet.

How do we know what is said about Jesus to be true.

FAITH.

You must spiritually stand over that cliff and jump, and have faith that Jesus is there to 'catch you'. You must believe with all your heart and all of yourself.

A true and undeniable faith in Jesus results in the proof. You have to knock. The first action must be yours!

May glorious God bless you friend through Jesus Christ by the Holy Spirit.
 
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Nice circular logic you have there. Jesus told the truth because Jesus said that He told the truth.

This is more than an appeal to authority. This is a question of FAITH

This now begs a question. Why should we doubt what Jesus said?

Cheers :)
 
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Even if Jesus' Resurrection actually occurred and everything He has stated in the Bible is accurate, how exactly does that prove that what He said is true?
I find this to be confusing. It sounds like you're stating that for the sake of discussion we can accept as true 1) that the resurrection was real, and 2) that the words of Jesus are true. But then you follow that up with asking how that proves what He said is true. But if that's your question, then we can't accept the two points you conceded as true. So what exactly are you asking?

As for why the Resurrection of Christ is so incredibly central to Christianity, Paul addresses that specific question in I Corinthians 15:

"Now if Christ is preached, that He has been raised from the dead, how do some among you say that there is no resurrection of the dead? But if there is no resurrection of the dead, not even Christ has been raised; and if Christ has not been raised, then our preaching is vain, your faith also is vain. Moreover we are even found to be false witnesses of God, because we testified against God that He raised Christ, whom He did not raise, if in fact the dead are not raised. For if the dead are not raised, not even Christ has been raised; and if Christ has not been raised, your faith is worthless; you are still in your sins. "
 
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Lee Strobel and several Christian apologists have focused on proving that Jesus' Resurrection actually happened as an indisputable argument that He was The Son Of God / God Himself. However, I see this to be a false dilemma fallacy. Even if Jesus' Resurrection actually occurred and everything He has stated in the Bible is accurate, how exactly does that prove that what He said is true? There are countless possibilities that could have allowed The Resurrection to happen without Jesus being of divine nature. Our current understanding of science tells us that we know incredibly little about the laws of physics and the universe. Scientific advancements over the past couple of centuries have been remarkable, and if they continue in the same way we could be able to revive people through cell-level alterations in the next millennia. Maybe we will discover superior lifeforms on other planets and find a way to travel through time.

Here are some potential explanations for Jesus' Resurrection that our current science cannot explain, but do not go against reason:

- Jesus could have been a superior life form from another planet who possessed advanced holographic technology that allowed Him to alter human perception or transform His appearance to make Himself look human, or / and who was biologically advanced enough as to regenerate and revive Himself after physical death.

- Jesus could have been a human time traveler from the future who possessed advanced technology that allowed Him to revive humans (research in nanotechnology hypothesizes that it is possible for nanites to be inserted into human cells to instantly duplicate them whenever they are about to be destroyed).

- Jesus could have been someone (an angel? a spirit?) sent by God to test His people whether they obey what was said in Deuteronomy 13:1-2-18. I mean, God is known for testing people throughout the Old Testament.

And I'm sure that there are other possible explanations that future scientific technology will unveil for Jesus' Resurrection.

Therefore, why do apologists claim that The Resurrection is the linchpin of Christianity and that if Jesus came back from the dead, then that proves that He is Who He said He was?

Let me be sure I understand what you're saying. You said that you agree:

1. Jesus said He was, at least, "one" with God.
2. Jesus said He'd come back from the dead.
3. Jesus did come back from the dead.

And you appear to agree that God exists.

So you question whether He should be believed that Jesus is also "one" with God.

Well, if we agree that Jesus was reliable in the incredible issue of coming back from the dead, why not believe He is also "one" with God, which was His explanation of how He could come back from the dead).

Instead, you suppose for no given reason that there must be some other explanation...and come up with a lot of fantastic science fiction "to be proven in the future" rather than the explanation that depends on nothing more than the facts you already agree with.

Do you really think that's logical?
 
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And I'm sure that there are other possible explanations that future scientific technology will unveil for Jesus' Resurrection.
Or bilocation ... having produced a copy of himself to be "crucified".

Bilocation is taught in the Buddhist scriptures, and many Buddhists - and Christian mystics - have been reportedly adept at this practice.
 
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Jesus could have been a superior life form from another planet who possessed advanced holographic technology that allowed him to alter human perception or transform His appearance to make Himself look human, or / and who was biologically advanced enough as to regenerate and revive Himself after physical death.

eh, once you start going down this road you become prisoner to your own imagination and not scripture imo
 
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Hello friend. Thank you for this discussion.

These sorts of ideas seem to justify Jesus with human reason and equate to Him as a human, and not God in flesh.

Jesus was more than just a man. Jesus conquered death - wanna know ask. :)

Would a belief that Jesus is an alien or time traveller make it easier to accept Him?




John 20:27 -28
Then he said to Thomas, "Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe.

Thomas said to him, "My Lord and my God!"



The resurrection is integral to Christian doctrine and it is vital element but it is not 'the' linchpin of Christianity. JESUS Himself is the linchpin.

The resurrection was an action that had some specific results, meanings and validation.

John 15:13
"Greater love has no one than this, that one lay down his life for his friends.

John 10:11
"I am the good shepherd; the good shepherd lays down His life for the sheep.


Here is the reason for the resurrection.

Hebrews 9:15
For this reason He is the mediator of a new covenant, so that, since a death has taken place for the redemption of the transgressions that were committed under the first covenant, those who have been called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance.



The resurrection has to do with atonement. Since OT times, one needed to sacrifice to God to be clean of Sin. To atone for sin.

Sin = disobedience to God.

JESUS is the sacrificial lamb for us to be cleanned from sin and enter into a new covenant with God - short answer, wanna now more just ask :)

The resurrection served to atone for sin. The resurrection paved the way for JESUS to go into 'the underworld' and preach to the dead who were before the crucifixion.

The resurrection was also validation. The resurrection also relates to another vital element. FAITH.

This is a condensed reply. Please ask me if there is anything i can elaborate on.



3 days of death = rigor mortis. The implausible happens. JESUS is alive. This event has more to do with FAITH. A miracle happened.

I could suggest that being born to a virgin and being resurrected seems like a supernatural if not incredible story. Therefore it could only be an act of God and serves to solidify that there was something more to JESUS.

Or is the question how do we get Jesus the Son = God?



Isaiah 53, the classic messianic prophecy known as the “Suffering Servant” prophecy, also details the death of Messiah for the sins of His people. More than 700 years before Jesus was even born, Isaiah provides details of His life and death.

The Messiah will be rejected (Isaiah 53:3; Luke 13:34). The Messiah will be killed as a vicarious sacrifice for the sins of His people (Isaiah 53:5–9; 2 Corinthians 5:21). The Messiah will be silent in front of His accusers (Isaiah 53:7; 1 Peter 2:23). The Messiah will be buried with the rich (Isaiah 53:9; Matthew 27:57–60). The Messiah will be with criminals in His death (Isaiah 53:12; Mark 15:27).

A messiah was promised in the OT to the jews. Jesus claims to be that messiah. Jesus also claims to be more.

The ppl followed him due to his gifts of healing, reason and the miraculous

Matthew 21:46.
They ( pharasies ) looked for a way to arrest him, but they were afraid of the crowd because the people held that he was a prophet.

How do we know what is said about Jesus to be true.

FAITH.

You must spiritually stand over that cliff and jump, and have faith that Jesus is there to 'catch you'. You must believe with all your heart and all of yourself.

A true and undeniable faith in Jesus results in the proof. You have to knock. The first action must be yours!

May glorious God bless you friend through Jesus Christ by the Holy Spirit.

I heard of one guy who fell off a cliff,

on the way down he caught hold of a branch,

After hanging there a while he called out for help,

"Help, help, help"

A voice from above came back asking
"What,s up?"

he replied he had fell off a cliff and was holding on to a branch with his hands,

"OK, keep calm, let go with one hand,"

"What?"

"Just do it"

"OK, I have let go with one hand, what now?"

"Let go with the other also,"

...........................

"Hello, is there anyone else I can talk to up there?"
 
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Lee Strobel and several Christian apologists have focused on proving that Jesus' Resurrection actually happened as an indisputable argument that He was The Son Of God / God Himself. However, I see this to be a false dilemma fallacy. Even if Jesus' Resurrection actually occurred and everything He has stated in the Bible is accurate, how exactly does that prove that what He said is true? There are countless possibilities that could have allowed The Resurrection to happen without Jesus being of divine nature. Our current understanding of science tells us that we know incredibly little about the laws of physics and the universe. Scientific advancements over the past couple of centuries have been remarkable, and if they continue in the same way we could be able to revive people through cell-level alterations in the next millennia. Maybe we will discover superior lifeforms on other planets and find a way to travel through time.

Here are some potential explanations for Jesus' Resurrection that our current science cannot explain, but do not go against reason:

- Jesus could have been a superior life form from another planet who possessed advanced holographic technology that allowed Him to alter human perception or transform His appearance to make Himself look human, or / and who was biologically advanced enough as to regenerate and revive Himself after physical death.

- Jesus could have been a human time traveler from the future who possessed advanced technology that allowed Him to revive humans (research in nanotechnology hypothesizes that it is possible for nanites to be inserted into human cells to instantly duplicate them whenever they are about to be destroyed).

- Jesus could have been someone (an angel? a spirit?) sent by God to test His people whether they obey what was said in Deuteronomy 13:1-2-18. I mean, God is known for testing people throughout the Old Testament.

And I'm sure that there are other possible explanations that future scientific technology will unveil for Jesus' Resurrection.

Therefore, why do apologists claim that The Resurrection is the linchpin of Christianity and that if Jesus came back from the dead, then that proves that He is Who He said He was?

I think the resurrection of Jesus strongly suggests that there is a higher Being.

If that higher Being is the God of the Bible, then it suggests that whatever Jesus did or said is vindicated by that higher Being.
 
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I don't know that the resurrection in and of itself is indisputable evidence that He is God; I do think the resurrection is evidence that what He taught, said, and did is true. We can, of course, enter any number of hypotheticals, but Occam's Razor would suggest that the simplest answer is probably the most likely to be true:

If we take as true prepositions that:

1) What the Gospels and earliest Christian writings say Jesus said and did are true and
2) That Jesus did, in fact, rise from the dead

Then it is reasonable to conclude that Jesus is who and what is claimed of Him as claimed of Him in those writings. And the resurrection, therefore, does mean Jesus is who and what He said He was.

The question of whether or not Jesus is God becomes contingent on whether this is actually what Jesus Himself taught and what we find in the earliest Christian writings--as for myself, I regard this issue satisfactorily answered in the earliest Christian writings, those which make up the New Testament; as well as the historic consensus and confession of the Church from those whose teaching comes directly from Jesus' earliest and closest followers. That is, the witness of the apostles and the ancient fathers provides a sufficient confession and witness of faith in my estimation. I have not merely accepted what I was taught growing up by those in positions of leadership in the faith communities I have been part of uncritically, I spent significant effort in investigating the history of my religion and looking at the historic confession and witness of faith, on which basis, as a matter of faith, I confess that Jesus Christ is God, Son of God, Word of God, as confessed in the apostolical, evangelical, pastoral, patristic, and symbolical (creedal) literature of the ancient and historic Church.

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Therefore, why do apologists claim that The Resurrection is the linchpin of Christianity and that if Jesus came back from the dead, then that proves that He is Who He said He was?

Good question. The resurrection is only one of the evidences.

PLUS all Jesus said, did, and does after the resurrection, He is becoming the only candidate for the position.

If the idea of "The Son of God" make sense, then Jesus is the only one Who is qualified to be Him.
 
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Good question. The resurrection is only one of the evidences.

PLUS all Jesus said, did, and does after the resurrection, He is becoming the only candidate for the position.

If the idea of "The Son of God" make sense, then Jesus is the only one Who is qualified to be Him.



In John 11:47 for example," You always hear me of course, but I said it because of all the people standing here, so that they will believe You sent me."

Moses was sent, the Prophets were sent.
 
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In John 11:47 for example," You always hear me of course, but I said it because of all the people standing here, so that they will believe You sent me."

Moses was sent, the Prophets were sent.

Prophets could be sent to kings, but kings were not sent to anyone,

Kings are to rule,
Psalms 2:6-7,

6,
"It is I who have anointed my King upon Zion, My Holy mountain."
7;
I am obliged to declare the Lord said to me,
"You are My son, I have this day begotten you."


The day David was crowned.
 
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In John 11:47 for example," You always hear me of course, but I said it because of all the people standing here, so that they will believe You sent me."

Moses was sent, the Prophets were sent.

Of course. So?
 
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