The Quran's "problem" with Christianity

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The Qur'an seems to present a perspective of Christianity where Christians worship 3 gods and these gods are Allah, Mariah and Issa (or God, Mary and Jesus). This is something Muslims have commented directly to me like it's assumed knowledge and I have course taken those times to reject such beliefs. This is clearly from passages that reject Mary and Jesus as "gods" or calling God 3 (inserting Allah, Mariah and Issa as the three). The issue is this also is rejected by Orthodox Christianity today and in the 7th century and I'm curious to know where this came from?

During the 7th century dominate Christianity in the AP (Arab Peninsula) was probably Nestorian. What is Nestorian Christianity? It was started by a guy name Nestorius (early 5th century) who was labeled a heretic by rejecting the title of Mary "theotokos" (mother of God) to what he thought was more theologically correct "christotokos" (mother of Christ). He also believed that Jesus had two natures (divine and human). At the time the natures of Christ was not fully articulated by the Church and was still developing but Orthodox Christianity rejected Nestorius thinking in favour of a single nature Christ (later revised to accept something closer to nestorius thinking with 2 natures). He then was exiled where for a time he ended up in the AP and this is where Nestorian Christianity started in the AP (by Nestorius himself)

It's unclear how Nestorianism evolved being unchecked by orthodox Christianity but Nestorius himself was a Nicene Christian and believed in the trinity. He also was against the title of Mary "theotokos" and fought to remove it (which got him exiled and labeled a heretic). Theotokos is actually more about Christ than about Mary and Nestorius didn't disagree with it's teaching but rather its terminology and the potential misleading implications it put on Mary which is why he preferred christotokos. Suffice to say Nestorius rejected worship of Mary or deifying her in any way.

But clearly the prophet of Islam encountered such heretica belief systems and took note to reject them. Some say his wife and uncle may have been Nestorian Christians themselves or at least his exposure to Christianity that he accepted was Nestorian. The Ka'ba itself historical is said to have a painting of Mary and the child Jesus inside (or classic "Madonna and Child" painting) and when all the idols were removed this picture remained (it has since been removed). So The Prophet didn't object to a type of reverence toward Mary and Jesus but he did reject this Allah-Mariah-Issa god partnership. It would seem the objection of this heresy was practiced probably by some fringe Christian group that actually worshiped Allah, Mariah and Issa as separate gods which Christianity, even those with particular affinity to Mary, categorically reject.

The Qu'ran is vehemently anti-tritheistic, and aggressively Unitarian, but intentionally seems to avoids anti-trinitarian language which would be impossible not to come into contact with the word; despite interpretations "ثَلَاثَةٌ" is not "trinity" it is "three". It seems the prophet was contextualizing the monotheistic abrahamic regions of the area recognizing they worship the true God in a polytheistic context; in doing so aggressively rejected any hint of "more than one" affirming only "there is no god by God" which in itself does not reject the trinity.... it perhaps misunderstands it but does not reject it as I too as a Christian can say "there is no god by God" Jesus himself affirms the teaching of the Torah saying "Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one."
 

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Epiphanius of Salamis writes of an heretical group in Arabia in the third century called Collyridianism.

It apparently taught that Mary herself was a goddess and offered her cakes in tribute. It is certainly possible that Mohammed confused Collyridianist doctrines with those of the rest of Christianity when reciting the Koran.
 
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Epiphanius of Salamis writes of an heretical group in Arabia in the third century called Collyridianism.

It apparently taught that Mary herself was a goddess and offered her cakes in tribute. It is certainly possible that Mohammed confused Collyridianist doctrines with those of the rest of Christianity when reciting the Koran.

I have heard of this but from what I can find it was short lived and was more 5th-6th century and didn't overlap into the 7th when Islam started. It seems to have not really penetrated the AP too and was dominantly women-centric; seems unlikely Muhammad had any exposure to this particular heretical belief.
 
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I have heard of this but from what I can find it was short lived and was more 5th-6th century and didn't overlap into the 7th when Islam started. It seems to have not really penetrated the AP too and was dominantly women-centric; seems unlikely Muhammad had any exposure to this particular heretical belief.
How did Collyridianism not penetrate the Arabian Peninsula? It was then a fourth century Arabian heresy according to Epiphanius. It certainly penetrated it as much as Nestorianism did, especially with the clear Koranic parallelism to their belief presented as Christian doctrine.
I think Gibbon said they survived into the 7th century as well, although I am unsure what his source was.

The very fact that it was perhaps 'women-centric' points to why it may be what is so vehemently rejected by Muhammad in these texts. Anyway, Mohammad was certainly nicer to womenfolk than his Arabian peers, even if still not by modern standards.

I am not aware of a better explanation for the Koran's weird claims of Mary as part of the trinity, then Collyridianist influence. It fits your hypothesis as well, as Collyridianism is a known fringe heretic group worshipping Mary and in the right place, just slightly earlier; this does not mean they were extinct completely by Mohammed's day therefore. I think you are too quick to dismiss the possibility, although of course it is far from certain. It certainly fits better than deriving it from the Nestorianism of Mohammed's near relations.
 
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How did Collyridianism not penetrate the Arabian Peninsula? It was then a fourth century Arabian heresy according to Epiphanius. It certainly penetrated it as much as Nestorianism did, especially with the clear Koranic parallelism to their belief presented as Christian doctrine.
I think Gibbon said they survived into the 7th century as well, although I am unsure what his source was.

The very fact that it was perhaps 'women-centric' points to why it may be what is so vehemently rejected by Muhammad in these texts. Anyway, Mohammad was certainly nicer to womenfolk than his Arabian peers, even if still not by modern standards.

I am not aware of a better explanation for the Koran's weird claims of Mary as part of the trinity, then Collyridianist influence. It fits your hypothesis as well, as Collyridianism is a known fringe heretic group worshipping Mary and in the right place, just slightly earlier; this does not mean they were extinct completely by Mohammed's day therefore. I think you are too quick to dismiss the possibility, although of course it is far from certain. It certainly fits better than deriving it from the Nestorianism of Mohammed's near relations.

you might be right and there certainly is no better claims for this. Nestorius himself only found himself essentially on the borders of the AP but nestorianism seems to have went much deeper. Collyridianism on the other hand seems to have fizzled out before Islam and I suspect never made it really deep in the AP. The problem however is there is no proof because any christian community that existed in the AP was out of the watch of the church and certainly wouldn't have been valued by Muslims, eventually being removed, so no one really kept track what was going on.

to me Collyridianism doesn't fit but perhaps it does reflect a broader audience that raised Mary up in heretical ways or depicted Christ as a separate god with Allah. The Quran ironically may be the best source of heretical christian communities operating in the AP but that's the issue because it is according to the lense of an outside heretical movement itself and one that both had a particular sensitivity to the oneness of God and lacked a maturity itself to understand different monotheistic values sytems. Islam grew so rapidly they didn't have time to understand their opposers and a Muslim walking into an abandoned cathedral with images of Father, Son, and Mary perhaps was interpreted simply in the wrong way and I suspect the "dove" image of the HS wasn't even noticed.
 
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The Qur'an seems to present a perspective of Christianity where Christians worship 3 gods and these gods are Allah, Mariah and Issa (or God, Mary and Jesus). This is something Muslims have commented directly to me like it's assumed knowledge and I have course taken those times to reject such beliefs. This is clearly from passages that reject Mary and Jesus as "gods" or calling God 3 (inserting Allah, Mariah and Issa as the three). The issue is this also is rejected by Orthodox Christianity today and in the 7th century and I'm curious to know where this came from?

During the 7th century dominate Christianity in the AP (Arab Peninsula) was probably Nestorian. What is Nestorian Christianity? It was started by a guy name Nestorius (early 5th century) who was labeled a heretic by rejecting the title of Mary "theotokos" (mother of God) to what he thought was more theologically correct "christotokos" (mother of Christ). He also believed that Jesus had two natures (divine and human). At the time the natures of Christ was not fully articulated by the Church and was still developing but Orthodox Christianity rejected Nestorius thinking in favour of a single nature Christ (later revised to accept something closer to nestorius thinking with 2 natures). He then was exiled where for a time he ended up in the AP and this is where Nestorian Christianity started in the AP (by Nestorius himself)

It's unclear how Nestorianism evolved being unchecked by orthodox Christianity but Nestorius himself was a Nicene Christian and believed in the trinity. He also was against the title of Mary "theotokos" and fought to remove it (which got him exiled and labeled a heretic). Theotokos is actually more about Christ than about Mary and Nestorius didn't disagree with it's teaching but rather its terminology and the potential misleading implications it put on Mary which is why he preferred christotokos. Suffice to say Nestorius rejected worship of Mary or deifying her in any way.

But clearly the prophet of Islam encountered such heretica belief systems and took note to reject them. Some say his wife and uncle may have been Nestorian Christians themselves or at least his exposure to Christianity that he accepted was Nestorian. The Ka'ba itself historical is said to have a painting of Mary and the child Jesus inside (or classic "Madonna and Child" painting) and when all the idols were removed this picture remained (it has since been removed). So The Prophet didn't object to a type of reverence toward Mary and Jesus but he did reject this Allah-Mariah-Issa god partnership. It would seem the objection of this heresy was practiced probably by some fringe Christian group that actually worshiped Allah, Mariah and Issa as separate gods which Christianity, even those with particular affinity to Mary, categorically reject.

The Qu'ran is vehemently anti-tritheistic, and aggressively Unitarian, but intentionally seems to avoids anti-trinitarian language which would be impossible not to come into contact with the word; despite interpretations "ثَلَاثَةٌ" is not "trinity" it is "three". It seems the prophet was contextualizing the monotheistic abrahamic regions of the area recognizing they worship the true God in a polytheistic context; in doing so aggressively rejected any hint of "more than one" affirming only "there is no god by God" which in itself does not reject the trinity.... it perhaps misunderstands it but does not reject it as I too as a Christian can say "there is no god by God" Jesus himself affirms the teaching of the Torah saying "Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one."

If I may say....

You would perhaps appreciate others who have noted how Islam itself is really radical Monotheism at its core when seeing what Mohammad was trying to address (as best as possible) with what he knew:


As Orthodox theologian/scholar David Hart noted best:


Thanks to the holidays, the internet debate about whether Christians and Muslims worship the “same” God and refer to the “same” divine reality by their use of “God” and “Allah,” respectively, has died down a bit; but the question is not likely to go away anytime soon. So far we have mainly heard from Protestant analytic philosophers and evangelical theologians. But what about Roman Catholics and the Orthodox? So far I have not found anything particularly interesting on the subject by contemporary Eastern Orthodox theologians, yet I have learned that in the first millennium Arabic-speaking Christians assumed that both Christianity and Islam believed in the one God/Allah. They commonly spoke of Allah and his Kalimah (Word) and his Ruh (Spirit). Tom Belt has shared with me his recent correspondence with Dr Najib G. Awad, author of Orthodoxy in Arabic Terms. With Awad’s permission I quote this passage from his email to Tom:

But, to my knowledge of the Christian-Muslim Kalam in the early Muslim Era, which I touch upon in my book Orthodoxy in Arabic Terms, the Arab-Speaking, Oriental Christians always believed that they and Islam believe in the same God. So, it was not a problem for them calling the God of the Scripture and of Jesus Christ, “Allah”. They even talked about the Trinity in terms that are reminiscent of the Qur’anic attestation: the Trinity is Allah, his Kalimah (Word) and Ruh (Spirit). They also talked about Jesus as God’s Word ‘kalimat Allah’ intensively in their kalam texts due to this belief in the commonality of their and the Muslim’s belief in God. John of Damascus in the 7th century would treat Islam as just a Christian-Jewish Heresy, not as a totally contrast faith. Timothy I in the 8th century and Theodore abu Qurrah, Abu Ra’itah at-takriti and Ammar al-Basri in the 9th centuries would also speak about the Christian God not just in Arabic terms, but also in Qur’anic ones because they believed that the common components between the Christian and Muslim doctrines of God are far more evident to be ignored or undermined. So, what western scholars like Volf try to reveal to the western world today as a revolutionary and new discovery has been considered a given fact for these Oriental Christians of the 7th-9th centuries.

Once Oriental Christians realized they could not ignore Islam but had to engage it theologically and apologetically, they found they could not simply dismiss it as a form of pagan idolatry.
 
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It's unclear how Nestorianism evolved being unchecked by orthodox Christianity but Nestorius himself was a Nicene Christian and believed in the trinity. He also was against the title of Mary "theotokos" and fought to remove it (which got him exiled and labeled a heretic). Theotokos is actually more about Christ than about Mary and Nestorius didn't disagree with it's teaching but rather its terminology and the potential misleading implications it put on Mary which is why he preferred christotokos. Suffice to say Nestorius rejected worship of Mary or deifying her in any way.

But clearly the prophet of Islam encountered such heretica belief systems and took note to reject them. Some say his wife and uncle may have been Nestorian Christians themselves or at least his exposure to Christianity that he accepted was Nestorian. The Ka'ba itself historical is said to have a painting of Mary and the child Jesus inside (or classic "Madonna and Child" painting) and when all the idols were removed this picture remained (it has since been removed). So The Prophet didn't object to a type of reverence toward Mary and Jesus but he did reject this Allah-Mariah-Issa god partnership. It would seem the objection of this heresy was practiced probably by some fringe Christian group that actually worshiped Allah, Mariah and Issa as separate gods which Christianity, even those with particular affinity to Mary, categorically reject.

The Qu'ran is vehemently anti-tritheistic, and aggressively Unitarian, but intentionally seems to avoids anti-trinitarian language which would be impossible not to come into contact with the word; despite interpretations "ثَلَاثَةٌ" is not "trinity" it is "three". It seems the prophet was contextualizing the monotheistic abrahamic regions of the area recognizing they worship the true God in a polytheistic context; in doing so aggressively rejected any hint of "more than one" affirming only "there is no god by God" which in itself does not reject the trinity.... it perhaps misunderstands it but does not reject it as I too as a Christian can say "there is no god by God" Jesus himself affirms the teaching of the Torah saying "Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one."

On the issue of worshipping Mary, a lot of people do not remember how there were MANY cults devoted to the worship of Mary and that is something Nestorius (despite other areas where flaws were present) HAD to deal with - and many of those groups influenced others to do as Nestorius when they fled down into Arabia. It is no surprise to see others unfamiliar with the background of things and then assuming the Trinity itself meant Allah, Mary and Jesus based on what others were fighting against.

I have noted this elsewhere, but I do think that there are multiple ways that Christian Trinitarianism is actually reflected well within the system of Islam and yet not understood due to the issue of language. And when understanding what's actually said in the Quran rather than going with what most Imams do with giving cultural Islamic teaching instead of what's in the text (just as it is with Christian teaching based on culture rather than scripture), it's very clear that Jesus is presented as He is....

Geoffrey Parrinder noted it well in his book entitled "Jesus in the Quran"

And it's really best to see the Trinity as Radical Monotheism....and The Trinity as radical monotheism has always been a present factor for many Muslims just as it has been for Jews in Judaism when it comes to believing in Christ and yet noting their not being against the concept of the Holy Spirit or Yeshua being the same and yet separate from the Father. And again, there's context - as it concerns how Muslim culture believe/accept the concept of a Trinity .

Something to consider is that Muhammad's mentor and distant blood relative Waraka ibn Nawfal was a Nestorian Christian and that is the key reason behind the denouncement of the specific idea of the Trinity that Muhammad denied in 4:171 as this was a common belief among Nestorians. Of course, others say that Muhammad's uncle also had Ebionite influence and this was present in the references of Christ as a prophet (more shared here and here/here and here).

As another noted best on the matter when it comes to historical background:


In an article well worth reading about the religious practices of the Ebionites found here, author Stephen Tomkins notes, "... it sounds not unlike Islam in all those respects."

There is a reason for that. The Ebionites followed a text known as the Gospel of Matthew to the Hebrews. Although most scholars would say it was lost to history, it is possible that its precepts can be found today in the early suras of a text far more famous known as the Quran.

If true, this could be a fascinating study. Two of the major controversies in the early Christian church were the nature of the divinity of Jesus (how could he be both a man and God?), and the extent to which Christians were to follow Jewish practices and traditions. Although the Apostle Paul's conviction that Jesus was both fully God and fully man and that being Christian meant leaving everything Jewish behind eventually won the day, many groups disagreed. As they and their gospels were declared heretical by early Church councils, they were forced away from the Christian geographical centers of power and some of them ended up in Arabia and Yemen. Two of these were the Nestorians and the Ebionites. Although they are sometimes lumped together, they are distinct in that the Nestorians believed in the divinity of Jesus whereas the Ebionites saw him merely as a Prophet.

One difference between those declared heretics and the orthodox church was that the former often followed only one text, or gospel, rather than all the books that became the New Testament. The Ebionites followed The Gospel of Matthew to the Hebrews (called by some scholars simply the Gospel of the Ebionites). It is probably a second-century compilation including passages from Matthew, Mark, and Luke that emphasizes the compassion and humanity of Jesus while denying his divinity. The Ebionites believed that Jesus was a man, not God, and that a presence called the Holy Spirit descended upon him at his baptism and remained with him until just before his crucifixion. They followed the dietary and health practices of the Jews and placed much emphasis on rituals such as ablution, fasting, and circumcision.

Available online studies of the Ebionites found here and here seem unaware of their continued history after persecution possibly forced them from the Levant into Arabia in the early centuries of the Christian era. There are several reasons for this historical lack of knowledge. One is the fact that the Ebionites were less significant and less known than the Nestorians, the larger Christian sect in Arabia at the time that did accept the divinity of Jesus. Another is that Christian historians typically had little access to ancient Islamic history, until recently only available in Arabic, that made scattered references to theNusraniyah (taken from the town of Nazareth, this is the Quranic word used to describe the non-orthodox Christians in Mecca at the time of Muhammad).

There is another and more significant reason. After Muhammad, Muslims paid little or no attention to the beliefs of Christians and Jews in the Arabian Peninsula other than to compare them critically to Islam. Muslims believe the Quran was revealed directly to Muhammad from Allah via the angel Gabriel. They historically had little interest in the beliefs of others, and even less interest in the possibility that their religious texts and practices influenced Muhammad and the formation of the Quran.

Muslims have placed much emphasis in creating an imaginary genealogy for Muhammad that passes through Abraham all the way back to Adam. Of more historical relevance is that Muslim scholars emphasize his lineage from his ancestor Qusay to Muhammad's grandfather Abdel Mutallib, but ignore that same lineage from Qusay to grandson Assad who was the grandfather of Khadijah, Muhammad's first wife, and Waraqa bin Naufal, the Prophet's distant uncle. The reason Muslims have deliberately ignored that side of the family is that it included relatives including Waraqa and possibly Khadijah herself who were members of the Nusraniyah.

Ancient historian Abu Faraj Al Isfahani noted in his Kitab Al Aghani that Waraqa bin Naufal converted to Nusraniyah, and biographer Ibn Ishaq describes him as a Hanif, one who believed in only one God.

Hadith compilers Bukhari and Sahih Muslim both state that Waraqa bin Naufal translated the Book of the Hebrews and the Gospel into Arabic. It is possible the book they meant was the Gospel of Matthew to the Hebrews.....Among the characteristics of the Ebionites was compassion for the poor and the orphaned. Waraqa bin Naufal, who was both a scholar and the leader of the Ebionites in Mecca, took a special interest in his young relative the orphaned Muhammad. He saw in him qualities of leadership, spent much time with him, and over the years taught Muhammad the Gospel of the Ebionites as well as the contents of the Torah. Waraqa bin Naufal performed Muhammad's marriage to Khadijah, and groomed Muhammad to replace him as the Ebionite spiritual leader in Mecca....The influence of Waraqi bin Naufal upon Muhammad and his revelations continued until Waraqa died. It is not accidental that the Hadith writers note that "revelations ceased for some time" following the death of Waraqa. The reason, of course, is that Muhammad was no longer learning from his Ebionite uncle.

The presence of the Gospel of the Ebionites in the short, poetic Meccan suras with their vivid descriptions of hell and Muhammad's repeated claim that he is a Prophet just like Abraham, Moses, and Jesus is something most Muslims are not allowed to even think about, at least publicly. It's much easier, and safer, to just toe the party line. I would encourage Muslims to be a little more open in their thinking and scholarship.



Some may be surprised by the impact of Nestorian Christians on Islam, although as they traveled far, it's not surprising. They (Nestorian Christians) were very influential in Islam in the Far East with the Mongols as well as other religions, this has been shared before here:

But on the video presentation by Palmer, for a brief description:

With our penultimate object, Martin Palmer takes us back many centuries to consider what is normally seen as a very modern phenomenon: Christianity in China. The object is the Church of the East stele - also known as the Nestorian Stone. Dated 781 AD it tells the story of the arrival and spread of Christianity in China in beautiful Chinese poetry and includes a fascinating version of the Gospel working with Christian, Daoist, Buddhist and Confucian imagery and terminology. In terms of Christian history, the Stele is deeply significant. It conveys a form of Christianity that taught Original Goodness not Original Sin. It was a non-power based form of early Christianity unlike the Roman Empire and Christianity and as such offered a completely different way of being Christian; it had women ministers, was largely vegetarian and refused to own slaves - unlike, for example, Buddhist monasteries in China. The Stele also has the best preserved texts from the Church of the East, which from the 5th century to the 13th century was two to three times bigger in terms of numbers than the Church of the West and spread at its height from present day Iraq through Iran, the Arabian Peninsula, East Africa, Iran, the Central Steppes, Afghanistan, India, China, Mongolia to Japan and Korea. Yet, its history is almost unknown in the West. Martin Palmer will explore the Stele's history, its theology and the radical challenge it presents to how we think about Christianity. Martin discovered the only remaining building from the Church of the East, built in 650 AD, and this is now to be the centre-piece of a new Chinese-Government funded 'Museum of Christianity in China' to open in three years at a cost of roughly £110 million. Martin will explore why the Stele, and this building, are of such significance to contemporary China.
And of course, if wanting to know more, one can go to Nestorian - Adventism in China or Four Historical Stages of the Indigenization of Chinese Christian Art : OMHKSEA

Before going further, There has always been significant influence of Christianity on Japanese Buddhism and its development - especially if keeping up with the Hidden Christians of Japan and other similar groups. It has never been a small thing when seeing the Nestorian influences on Early Buddhism..

But with that said, Francis Woods did an excellent presentation on the way that Buddhism and Nestorian Christianity ended up interacting over time due to the avenues of the Silk Road - showing the ways that there was both convergent evolution and influence exercised by both on one another in their developments in certain areas.

Some of the things she noted are echoed by Dr. Martin Palmer in what he has noted on Nestorian Steele (as mentioned earlier):


Moreover, as it concerns Prince Shōtoku Taishi (the First Great Patron of Buddhism in Japan and Imperial Regent of Japan in Early 7th Century) and
his Contribution to Buddhism in Japan,
I appreciate what another noted in their review entitled Prince Shotoku and Ancient Christianity (by Arimasa Kubo ):

A history book records that in 578 AD Mar Celghis , a Nestorian, and his family came from a “western land” to China and settled at Lintao, a about 500 km west of Changan. That is to say that Nestorians already came to China more before 600 AD. Professor Sakae Ikeda of Kyoto University, who is a Nestorian scholar and also a Hata family scholar writes a Nestorian named Mar Toma served Prince Shotoku at his side around 600 AD. Mar Toma means “Master Thomas” in Aramaic, and is the same name as Apostle Thomas. He was believed to be a leader of the Nestorians who came to Japan at the time of Prince Shotoku. So, Christianity was already in Japan at the time of Prince Shotoku. I believe it came to Japan earlier than this. There is a proof that leads us to believe it came no later than the fourth century. ....There are many myth associated with who Prince Shotuku really like. However, after several hundred years after Prince Shotoku passed away, adoration for Prince Shotoku swelled to bear many legends regarding him. And strangely enough, we see evidences of the stories of Nestorian amd the Anciient Christianity believed by the Hatas might have been appropriated into the legends of Prince Shotoku. Prince Shotoku is said to be the “Savior Bodhisattva” who was born in a stable. That is to say that he was a kind of savior. Prince Shotoku was called “Prince Umayado (Stable),” Umayado means a stable....It is normally considered derogatory to use a word such as “stable” in calling a person of noble birth and it should be avoided. However, the “Prince Umayado (Stable) was used as an honorific title. Dr. Kunitake Kume speculates that the Christian story that “Mary born Christ in a stable” was incorporated into Prince Shotoku’s legends. There are no one but two: Jesus and Prince Shotoku who were born in a stable among the saints in the world. That is not all. In fact the story of the birth of Prince Shotoku and that of the birth of Jesus Christ are in reality are very similar to the details of sequence of the stories. The author of “Buddhism and Nestorianism in the Japanese History,” Akinori Tomiyama, states as follows: “In mid .Heian era, at the time Michizane Sugahara was watching the moon in exile, there are evidences that intellectuals in Kyoto were reading the ‘Book of Luke’ (the Gospel according to Luke). It can be proven indirectly by ‘Legends and the Record of Prince Shotoku’ (917) which was believed to be written by Kanesuke Fujiwara. That is to say that there the birth story of Jesus, the ‘Book of Luke’ 1:26~2:21 is written exactly in the same sequence as the birth story of Prince Shotoku.” So, he describes it in details. Also, when you look at the legends concerning Prince Shotoku, we notice there are many other stories that remind us of the Biblical story. According to a legend, the “Savior Bodhisattva” appeared in the dream of Empress Kanjin, mother of Prince Shotoku, and prophesied the birth of Prince Shotoku. Similarly in the Bible, an archiangel Gabriel appeared in front of Mary and foretold the birth of Jesus. The other legend says that Saint Nichira, a Paekche, worshipped Prince Shotoku calling him the “Savior Bodhisattva.” But as it turned out, he was later assassinated. This indeed remind us of a story in the Bible that John the Baptist worshipped Jesus calling him the “Savior” but later he was assassinated.....

Masanori Tomiyama also writes as follows: In the “Book of Daigo ‘Legends and the Record of Prince Shotoku’ (13th Century) not only contains the resurrection story of Prince Shotoku, but the composition of the whole book appears to have copied after the “Book of John.” This gives a credence to the fact that an entire translation not an abridged version of the Bible might have been available in Japan.” That is to say that the story of resurrection of Christ in the “Gospel According to John” might had been incorporated into the legend of Prince Shotoku. Regarding the other legends of Prince Shotoku, he writes as follows: “For example, as something to remind us of the ‘Book of Matthew’ 25:34 and thereafter, there is a story of Prince giving the clothing and food to a starved at Mount Kataoka. Subsequent to the event, the starved man died and buried, but he resurrected several days later and only his clothing was said to be left on his coffin. This story from the ‘Chronicles of the Japan’ reminds us of the same vein of thought as the ‘Book of John’ 20:1~10.” Jesus taught us that if anyone gives food and clothing to a starved, he will be included in salvation; it is same as giving them to Christ himself. Also, the Bible says that when Christ died, buried, and after he resurrected only his clothing was left at his tomb. Prince Shotoku is also respected as the “founder of carpentry” and treated as the “protector of carpenters.” Among the carpenter there is even a “Guild of Prince.” Similarly, Jesus’ profession was carpenter. Shinran and Nestorian Philosophy As you can see legends about Prince Shotoku in later periods include many of those that were Christian origins. This is due to the fact that there were people who spread the story of Christ from the ancient times in Japan. Christianity came to Japan in early days of Japan. Its thinking was incorporated, or in protest to it, there were people who tried to make Prince Shotoku the Messiah. Perhaps, this was a reason behind the legend of Prince Shotoku among the people. Later, the founder of the True Pure Land sect of Buddhism, Shinran, made 115 hymns of Japanese translation of praise entitled, ‘Praise of the Great King Asan Prince Shotoku.’ Prince Shotoku who is recited there is the exact Japanese translation of ‘Legends and the Record of Prince Shotoku’ by Kanesuke Sugawara. “Christ”, who was hidden there, must have given great influence upon the faith formation of Shinran......

....Prince Shotoku built the [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]enno-ji (Four Devas) temple in Osaka. There was the welfare facility called “Shiko-in” attached to it. They are four institutions: “Seyaku-in” (pharmacy where free dispensation of medicine is available), “Ryobyo-in” (free hospital, clinic), “Hiden-in” (Sanctuary for those with no relatives), and “Keiden-in” (Sanctuary of religious, arts, and music studies). Prince Shotoku was the first one to begin the large scale social works, philanthropic, welfare works in Japan. Japanese Buddhist scholars praise Prince Shotoku for starting these philanthropic welfare works first in Japan that were heretofore not practiced by Buddhists in China nor in the Korean Peninsula in those days. However, these did not come from the Buddhist philosophy. Observing China and the Korean Peninsula of those days, their Buddhism was a guardian Buddhism for the state; it was far apart from salvation of individuals. You may think Mahayana Buddhism has the philosophy of “mercy.” But Buddhist scholars state that the philosophy of mercy was not implemented as a pragmatic work in ancient China nor in the Korean Peninsula. As it turned out that these facilities such as “Keiden-in,” “Seyaku-in,” “Ryobyo-in,” and “Hiden-in” are identical to those built by Nestorians all over the Silk Road. Nestorians built many facilities like these in Mongol and China. They worked unselfishly by building free schools, pharmacies, sanatoriums, orphanages, and hospitals ...They did not only preach the Gospel, but they also stressed philanthropic and welfare works. Due to their work, their Nestorianism penetrated into people early on.

....Why did Prince Shotoku carry on the works of the Nestorians in Japan? It is because there were Nestorians by the side of Prince Shotoku. And their advice influenced greatly Prince Shotoku. Professor Sakae Ikeda of Kyoto University writes that the first person who built an orphanage in Japan was a Nestorian named Raka. A Legend of Prince Shotoku: Borrowing from the story of Aaron’s staff [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]enno-ji, to which Prince Shotoku built “Keiden-in,” “Seyaku-in,” “Ryobyo-in,” and “Hiden-in” nearby, is now a Buddhist temple. However, this temple has a remarkable feature that cannot be seen at a normal temple. The entrance to this temple is no other than the great torii (gateway) of a Shinto shrine. Moreover, the torii was there since the time of Prince Shotoku. Though, it was made of wood at the time of Prince Shotoku not a present stone built. When I asked a Buddhist priest about the temple, he replied: “Once upon a time, since Prince Shotoku prayed to [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]enno before battles this temple was built.” But, there is “Tamatsukuri Inari (god of harvest) Shrine” immediately nearby. According to the shrine history, Prince Shotoku prayed not to [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]enno but to a god of the shrine. Here, too, we see an evidence of the Buddhist fabricating the history. [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]enno-ji temple used to be a Shinto shrine. Also, according to the shrine history of Tamatsukuri Inari Shrine, Prince Shotoku made a pilgrimage to the shrine before battles and prayed as follows: “If we are to win this battle, let a bud grow on this branch.” And he inserted a chestnut branch. Then, it is said that it sprouted a bud. That was a sign that a god was with him. This story, too, is very similar to the story of “a bud sprouted on the High Priest Aaron’s staff” of the Old Testament isn’t it? It was a sign that God was with Aaron. (Numbers 17: 5~8)Why did Prince Shotoku carry on the works of the Nestorians in Japan? It is because there were Nestorians by the side of Prince Shotoku. And their advice influenced greatly Prince Shotoku. Professor Sakae Ikeda of Kyoto University writes that the first person who built an orphanage in Japan was a Nestorian named Raka. A Legend of Prince Shotoku: Borrowing from the story of Aaron’s staff [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]enno-ji, to which Prince Shotoku built “Keiden-in,” “Seyaku-in,” “Ryobyo-in,” and “Hiden-in” nearby, is now a Buddhist temple. However, this temple has a remarkable feature that cannot be seen at a normal temple. The entrance to this temple is no other than the great torii (gateway) of a Shinto shrine. Moreover, the torii was there since the time of Prince Shotoku. Though, it was made of wood at the time of Prince Shotoku not a present stone built. When I asked a Buddhist priest about the temple, he replied: “Once upon a time, since Prince Shotoku prayed to [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]enno before battles this temple was built.” But, there is “Tamatsukuri Inari (god of harvest) Shrine” immediately nearby. According to the shrine history, Prince Shotoku prayed not to [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]enno but to a god of the shrine. Here, too, we see an evidence of the Buddhist fabricating the history. [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]enno-ji temple used to be a Shinto shrine. Also, according to the shrine history of Tamatsukuri Inari Shrine, Prince Shotoku made a pilgrimage to the shrine before battles and prayed as follows: “If we are to win this battle, let a bud grow on this branch.” And he inserted a chestnut branch. Then, it is said that it sprouted a bud. That was a sign that a god was with him. This story, too, is very similar to the story of “a bud sprouted on the High Priest Aaron’s staff” of the Old Testament isn’t it? It was a sign that God was with Aaron. (Numbers 17: 5~8)...

....I stated that there were many Christians such as Nestorians, the Hatas (ancient Christians who came from the Central Aaia) around Prince Shotoku, and under their influence he started the philanthropic and welfare work. In the world, Prince Shotoku is generally considered as the “central figure of the Japanese Buddhism” and is responsible for spreading Buddhism in Japan. In conclusion, I believe it is mistaken. Prince Shotoku, in fact, had the same philosophy and religion (Christian Shintoism) as the Hatas. But Buddhism later became a kind of Japanese “national religion” and began to rule Japan autocratically. At that time, Prince Shotoku was given a new identity as the “central figure of Japanese Buddhism” and the “great contributor to Buddhism.” Firstly, the whole family and relatives of Prince Shotoku were murdered by Buddhists. Had Prince Shotoku been the central figure of Buddhism, why did Buddhists murder his whole family and relatives? Also, Prince Shotoku himself appears to be assassinated. Since Prince Shotoku, in those days, held the position next to the emperor, it was natural to spend several months of “mogari,” a ceremony for the repose of the soul. However, the record shows little or no period of “mogari” for Prince Shotoku. It appears that he was buried immediately. It was same in the case of Emperor Sushun who was murdered by Buddhists. He, too, was buried immediately without having a period of “mogari.” In order to appease a vengiful spirit, set himself up as a great person In those days, there was a belief system among the people that when an innocent was murdered he would become a “vengeful spirit.” So, it was necessary to quickly put the lid on the coffin and seal it. Also, in those days, there was a thought that the best way to appease the vengeful spirit was to set himself up as a great person. They thought if a person was thanked and adored as a great individual even a vengeful spirit would be appeased. So, for those who murdered Prince Shotoku, the quickest and easies way to protect themselves from the vengeful spirit was to set himself as a great person. That is to set Prince Shotoku as the “central figure of Japanese Buddhism” and the “great contributor to Buddhism” and have people venerate him. They thought that by doing so the vengeful spirit would be appeased and Buddhism would spread. For them it was two birds with one stone solution. I do not have enough space here to write about this in detail. I recommend for those who are interested to read the “Sealed Ancient History of Japanese and Jewish 2, Volume of Buddhism and Nestorianism."...

....Prince Shotoku went after his demise to “Tenju-koku” = heaven Back in 16th century, during the Azuchi Momoyama period, Ujisato Gamau (1556~95), the lord of Aizu, became Christian as a result of missionary work of Ukon Takayama. He was a Christian lord with the baptized name of Leo, but the Buddhist world of Aizu advertised his as an ardent Buddhist. When the Buddhist influence becomes strong, all the past great men become the great contributors to Buddhism. It has been repeated many times in Japanese history. So, we believe that Prince Shotoku’s case was no exception. After the demise of Prince Shotoku, an embroidery picture that depicts the “Tenju-koku” where the Prince went still exists at the Chugu-ji temple in Nara. This was embroidered by Kuma Hata who was commissioned by Princess Taratsume Tachibana thinking of the Prince. It is the picture called the “Tenju-koku Mandara (Mandala) Shuchomei.” If you look at it, it is obvious that the concept of Paradise other than Buddhism coexists. Masanori Tomiyama, who studied this aspect, writes, “I believe that the ’Tenju-koku Mandara Shuchomei’ undoubtedly means heaven of Jesus.” “’Tenju-koku’ where Prince Shotoku died and went to is the oldest concept of Paradise in Japan. This “Tenju-koku” or “Heaven” probably influenced the Pure Land concept of later Japanese Buddhism....

....Prince Shotoku himself was a man who must have 5 had a thought of this “Tenju-koku.” Also, there is a shrine called “Kamei-doh” at the [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]enno-ji temple built by Prince Shotoku. It existed since the time of Prince Shotoku. The faith that is practiced there is very similar to that of the faith of the Bethesda Pond (if you enter the pond while water is being stirred, you will be healed)....Prince Shotoku is a central figure who convinced many Japanese that “Japan is a Buddhist nation.” However, upon careful investigation, Prince Shotoku was more involved in Christianity rather than Buddhism. Later when Buddhism controlled Japan like the national religion, the real image of Prince Shotoku was buried forever. Then, he became the “central figure of Japanese Buddhism.” Nevertheless, we should find the truth in the important part of the Japanese history. Christianity is never a new religion that came recently to Japan or a western religion. It is the most precious faith that our ancestors also believed.
Additionally, as another noted wisely from one prominent Buddhist resource:

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THE JESUS SUTRAS
Some Early Morning Thoughts on What Might Have Been and Perhaps What Could Yet Be


James Ishmael Ford

11 January 2015

First Unitarian Church
Providence, Rhode Island

Text

Compassionate Father, Radiant Son,
Pure Wind King – three in one.


Supreme King, Will of Ages,
Compassionate joyous lamb
Loving all who suffer
Fearless as you strive for us
Free us of the karma of our lives
Bring us back to our original nature
Delivered from all danger.


Great Teacher: I stand in awe of the Father
Great Teacher: I am awed by the Holy Lord
Great Teacher: I am speechless before the King of Dharma
Great Teacher: I am dazzled by the Enlightened Mind
Great Teacher: You who do everything to save us.


Praise of the Three Sacred Powers

Okay, I’m a sucker for those historical “what if” kind of things. You know, what if the Spanish Armada defeated the English, or what if the South had won the Civil War, or the Nazi’s the Second World War. Decades later, I’m still haunted from reading Philip K. Dick’s The Man in the High Castle about that last what if. People have been telling me for years I have to read Kim Stanley Robinson’s The Years of Rice and Salt, where the plague takes away ninety nine percent of Europe’s population instead of a third, leaving the world to be shaped by Muslim, Chinese, and indigenous American cultures.

Of course my favorites of such things are religious, or, at least have a religious thread. Kind of obvious, I guess. Which I’m sure is in part why people keep pointing me to that Years of Rice and Salt. And, so, of course, why one of my favorite books in recent years is Michael Chabon’s The Yiddish Policemen’s Union, which posits a world where Israel didn’t happen. There are tons of them, and I could go on about them at length.

However, today I’d like to hold up the intriguing realities of Eastern and Western religious encounter and speculate just a little on some of the “what ifs” that with just a few things going one way rather than another could have left us with a very different Christianity, or, at least, a very interesting and vibrant alternative possibility to what has become normative in the West.

I suspect most of us here are familiar with the fact that the story of the Buddha made its way West in the early centuries of the Church, and the Buddha even ended up a saint in both the Catholic and Orthodox Churches as Josaphat of Sts Barlaam and Josaphat. Their feast, admittedly not celebrated so much since the historical connections were made, is celebrated on the 27th of November for the Romans, and on the 26th of August in the Orthodox calendar. So, it doesn’t take a lot of heavy lifting intellectually to figure the favor was returned. And it was.

A lot happened on that famous Silk Road that joined East and West.

In 1625 workers digging near a temple discovered a large stone monument. Local intellectuals began to examine it and discovered it recorded the story of a long lost Christian mission to China. Written in Chinese and Syriac it recounted the early Seventh century mission of Bishop Alopen and the establishment of the “Luminous Religion,” a Chinese branch of the Church of the East, sometimes called the Nestorian Church. What’s particularly interesting is how the tablet’s Christianity doesn’t quite line up with Nestorian orthodoxy in some interesting ways. The trinity, for instance, is mentioned, as is the incarnation, but there’s no reference to a crucifixion or resurrection. It was also clear that the Luminous Religion had synthesized with both Buddhism and most of all with Taoism. All so tantalizing, but just this one large stone monument left as testimony to something long gone.

It appeared that during the Great Anti-Buddhist Persecution in the middle of the Ninth Century, while it knocked Buddhism back on its heels, it also wiped out several smaller religious communities, including the Luminous Religion, which apparently the authorities considered a Buddhist heresy.

So, what the Luminous Religion actually was remained a delicious hint at something, but no one was sure of what precisely. Then on the 25th of June, in 1900 a Daoist monk stumbled onto a cache of manuscripts hidden in a cave near Dunhuang, an ancient city along that Silk Road. This discovery ranks with finding the Dead Sea scrolls and the Nag Hammadi library, and in fact in some ways exceeds them in importance. It proved a treasure trove of documents, some fifty thousand of them, in fifteen different languages, including at least one language that has otherwise been lost to the sands of history. Some of the Daoist and Buddhist texts are priceless, deeply re-orienting a world of scholarship. The cache also included the oldest printed book in the world, an edition of the Buddhist Diamond Sutra.

And it included texts from that long gone Luminous Religion, what have come to be called the Jesus Sutras. Sutra means thread, and is used in the sense of our shared Indo-European English’s “suture,” a binding thread. In Buddhism a Sutra is a sacred text. And while Christian, the shifts from normative Christianity are such that many feel “Jesus Sutra” a more accurate characterization of these texts.

Now the best single source about the religion and its texts for us is Martin Palmer’sThe Jesus Sutras: Rediscovering the Lost Scrolls of Taoist Christianity. A scholarly study, although it is not without its critics, many of whom suggest he slants his translations in ways that are not warranted by the texts themselves, making the Buddhist and Daoist influences larger than is warranted. Me, I’m going for his version whole hog.

There are many significant features of this Luminous Religion. One that caught me quickly is the blending of Guanyin, who had already been transformed from an indigenous Chinese goddess into the Buddhist archetype of compassion, reshapes once again with Mary, becoming a heartful image that many of us who’ve experienced both Buddhism and Christianity, including me, have also found ourselves. I’m also taken with the integration of Christian and Buddhist liturgical practices, and most important of all I’m just astonished at the “new” Christian texts of the Luminous Religion, those Jesus Sutras using Buddhist and Daoist imagery and idioms, and with all that transforming Christianity into something for me now very exciting and compelling. Its worth noting how this also happened earlier in Chinese religious history when Indian Buddhism came to China and began translating its texts into Chinese using Daoist terminology, and birthing out of that, that whole new Buddhism that we call Zen.

The Luminous Religion was, as it were, innocent of Augustine’s terrible idea of original sin, instead embraced the loveliness of the world, and while celebrating the divine origins of their teacher, consistently emphasized his teachings as the truly important thing, describing a holy way of life. They embraced both reincarnation and karma. My friend the independent scholar Adrian Worsfold summarizes the Luminous Religion’s followers as “vegetarians, (who) promoted non-violence, charity, sexual equality, care for nature, and were (nearly uniquely in their world strongly) anti-slavery.” And, while it continues the Trinitarian formula for baptism, with the change of calling the spirit, “pure wind,” the Luminous Religion’s teachings otherwise appear to be pretty Unitarian, emphasizing “salvation by character.” Well Unitarian if Unitarianism emerged out of Christianity, and Buddhism, and Taoism streaming together as a new version of the ancient Watercourse Way.

So, on the one hand a Westerner can find a lot easily recognizable in the Jesus Sutras, although often with a twist. For instance the Ten Commandments, or here “covenants.”

The first covenant of God is that anything that exists and does evil will be punished, especially if they do not respect the elderly. The second covenant is to honor and care for elderly parents. Those who do this will be true followers of Heaven’s Way. The third covenant is to acknowledge we have been brought into existence through our parents. Nothing exists without parents. The fourth covenant is that anybody who understands the precepts should know to be kind and considerate to everything, and to do no evil to anything that lives. The fifth covenant is that any living being should not take the life of another living being, and should also teach others to do likewise. The sixth covenant is that nobody should commit adultery, or persuade anyone else to do so. The seventh covenant is not to steal. The eighth covenant is that nobody should covet a living man’s wife, or his lands, or his palace, or his servants. The ninth covenant is not to let your envy of somebody’s good wife, or son, or house or gold, lead you to bear false witness against them. The tenth covenant is only to offer to God that which is yours to give.
And on the other hand there are teachings that more obviously echo the ancient wisdoms of Buddhism and Daoism, like the Four Essential Laws of Christian Dharma.

The first is no wanting. If your heart is obsessed with something, it manifests in all kinds of distorted ways. Distorted thoughts are the root of negative behavior…
The second is no doing. Don’t put on a mask and pretend to be what you’re not…
The effort needed to hold a direction is abandoned, and there is simply action and reaction. So walk the Way of No Action. The third is no piousness. And what that means
is not wanting to have your good deeds broadcast to the nation. Do what’s right to bring people to the truth
but not for your own reputation’s sake. So anyone who teaches the Triumphant Law, practicing the Way of Light to bring life to the truth, will know peace and happiness in company. But don’t talk it away. This is the Way of No Virtue. The fourth is no absolute. Don’t try to control everything. Don’t take sides in arguments about right and wrong. Treat everyone equally, and live from day to day. It’s like a clear mirror that reflects everything anyway: Green or yellow or in any combination -
It shows everything, as well as the smallest of details. What does the mirror do? It reflects without judgment.

The Luminous Religion calls us to a middle path, a Buddhist, Daoist, Christian middle way. It calls us into a deep investigation of our own lives, and it calls us into a community of mutual accountability.

Martin Palmer tells us, “The Jesus Sutras offer salvation from what we have made of ourselves – salvation from karma or (if you rather) from the burden of ‘original sin’ – because beneath the layers of our inadequate actions lies an original nature that is good. These spiritual, theological, psychological, philosophical, and ethical insights are in the Jesus Sutras, often beautifully and simply portrayed in accessible images, stories, and concepts.”

So fascinating, so wonderful. And so sad they were lost.

However Palmer adds how, in fact, they only await our discovery, yours and mine. He invites us to embark out on our own Silk Road, our own journey of discovery.

Palmer concludes his book with an observation. “After a thousand years, the Jesus Sutras have returned to us to shed light on the past, speak to our present, and, possibly, help shape our future.”

Here I find myself thinking of that “what if,” and realize in fact the door isn’t closed, the door is wide open.

We find something wondrous being presented. For those who have the eyes to see it, ears to hear it.

We want something different? We want to change the world?

Well, we start with ourselves.

We need to let go of what we thought was so, what had to be so, and allow other possibilities to emerge.

And so an invitation:

Take a walk along the Silk Road for yourself.

And dig a little.

Read. Talk. And most of all, pay attention.

You never know what treasure might be revealed.

You might even find what if becomes what is.

And wouldn’t that be a miracle?

Amen.

And on the rest of what you have noted, some of this I have tried to bring up before elsewhere, as seen here:

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People who consistently claim the Qu'ran denies the Trinity neither KNOW what the text actually says, nor do they actually deal with those who grew up Muslim and were easily able to see where the concept of the Trinity itself was always present in the Qu'ran and other texts. It was always about context and seeing what has actually been said, as I often told my grandmother (who was a part of a sect of Islam for sometime, as shared before here).




As noted best elsewhere:

Trinity In Islam
THE QUR'ANIC TESTIMONY OF CHRISTIAN MONOTHEISM


The Qur'an testifies that Christians are monotheistic and not infidels. The following are examples of this testimony:

1. Sura al-Ankabut 29:46, "Do no argue with the people of the Book except in what is better... and say we believed in what was sent down to us and to you, and our God and your God is the same, is one." Thus, the Qur'an testifies that we Christians, "people of the Book," worship one God.

2. Sura Al Imran 3:113-114, "Among the people of the Book is a nation which recites the verses of God during the night, and they worship God and believe in Him and in the Day of Judgement, and they hasten charity." This reference clearly asserts that Christians, "people of the Book," believe in one God; they recite His book which was in their hands in Muhammad's days, and they worship the one God in their services and prayers.

3. Sura al-Ma'ida 5:82, "For sure you will find the bitterest enemies of those who believe (Muslims) are the Jews and those who do not believe in our God. And you will find the closest friends to believers to be those who said, 'We are Nazarenes,' as among them there are pastors and monks and they are not proud." It is clear that Nazarenes are no polytheists, since polytheists and Jews are the bitter enemies of Muslims, but Nazarenes are their closest friends.

4. Sura Al Imran 3, "As God said, O Jesus, I'll make you die, and I'll raise you up to me, and I'll purify you from the infidels, and I'll make those who followed you higher than the infidels until the Day of Judgement." Hence, it is clear to you that the followers of Christ, or Christians, are not infidels. On the contrary, God distinguished Christians from infidels and raised them above infidels.

The testimony of the Qur'an concerning Christians has proved with certainty that they worship the one God and are no polytheists.


THE QUR'ANIC TESTIMONY OF THE CHRISTIAN HOLY TRINITY
Perhaps you are amazed, my dear friend, that the Qur'an mentions the Trinity of the one God exactly as Christians believe in it. We have already seen that the Trinity of Christianity is the nature of God. His Word, and His Spirit. This is the same Trinity that the Qur'an mentions, "But Jesus Christ, son of Mary is the messenger of God and His word and spirit of Him that He gave to Mary" (Sura al-Nisa 4:171). In this verse it is clear that God has:

a personality - "messenger of God"

a word - "and His word"

a spirit - "and a spirit from Him"

This testimony of the Qur'an for the creed of the Trinity is what we Christians proclaim and no more. It does not proclaim polytheism, but rather it proclaims that there is no God but Him.


THE QUR'ANIC TESTIMONY THAT CHRIST IS THE WORD OF GOD
The Qur'an testifies very clearly that Christ is the Word of God. The following Qur'anic references are examples:

1. Sura al-Nisa 4:171, "Jesus Christ, the son of Mary, is God's messenger and His word."

2. Sura Al Imran 3:139, "...God proclaims to you Yahya (John the Baptist) supporting a word from God..." The Iman Abu al-Su`ud commented on the phrase "supporting a word from God," that is Isa, may He be blessed, by saying, "...it was said that he (John the Baptist) was the first to believe in Him (Jesus) and to support His being the Word of God and a Spirit from Him. Al Sadi said, "The mother of Yahya (John) meeting the mother of Isa (Jesus) asked, "Mary, have you felt my pregnancy?" Mary answered, 'I too am pregnant.' She (John's mother) then said, 'I find that what is in my belly worships what is in your belly.' From here the above utterance of God 'supporting a word from God' comes clear" (Abu al-Su`ud Muhammad Ibn Muhammad al-Ahmadi's Commentary, page 233).

3. Sura Al Imran 3:45, "the angels said to Mary, 'Allah proclaims to you a word from Him, whose name is the Messiah, Jesus the son of Mary." The English translation uses the relative pronoun whose in referring to a masculine personal pronoun in the Arabic original. This indicates the fact that a word here does not mean a simple word of language but a person. You also find this clarified in the saying of one of the Muslim scholars (Al Shaikh Muhyi al-Din al-Arabic), who said, "The word is God in theophany... and it is the one divine person and not any other" ("Fusus al-Hukm part II, p. 35). He also said that the word is the divine person (page 13). Isn't that exactly what was said about the Lord Jesus in the Gospel of John? "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God... And the Word became flesh" (John 1:1,14). In the Arabic translation of this verse, we again find (in conformity with the Greek original) the same usage of the term word with the pronouns referring to it. Word refers to a person. This is clear from John's specifications, "The Word was God" and "Word became flesh."


THE QUR'ANIC TESTIMONY OF THE HOLY SPIRIT
Many verses of the Qur'an mention that the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of God and that He supported the Lord Jesus with it. This becomes clear from the following:

Sura al-Ma'ida 5:110, "Allah said to Jesus, 'Jesus, son of Mary, remember the favour I had bestowed on you and your mother, how I strengthened you with the Holy Spirit, so that you preached to men in your cradle and in the prime of manhood."

The theological scholar Al-Shaikh Muhammad al- Hariri al-Bayyumi says, "The Holy Spirit is the spirit of Allah" (Kitab al-Ruh wa Maiyyyatuha, p.53).

From all that preceded, my friend, the testimony of the Qur'an and the theologians of Islam for the creed of the Trinity in whom we Christians believe becomes clear.


THE HOLY SPIRIT
The Holy Spirit is God's Spirit and is mentioned in the Qur'an in many places.

Sura Yusuf 12:87, "Do not despair of Allah's spirit; none but unbelievers despair of Allah's spirit."

Sura al-Baqara 2:87 and 253, "We gave Jesus the son of Mary veritable signs and strengthened Him with the Holy Spirit."

Al Imam al-Nasafi said, "By the Holy Spirit is meant, the sanctified spirit...or the name of God the greatest."

Sura al-Ma'ida 5:110, "Jesus, son of Mary remember the favour I have bestowed on you and on your mother; how I have strengthened you with the Holy Spirit."

Al Sayyid Abdul Karim al-Djabali said about the Holy Spirit that He is not created, and what is not created is eternal and the eternal is God alone.

Also Al-Shaikh Muhammad al-Harira al-Bayyumi said, "The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of God and the Spirit of God is not created."

This is the holy Trinity in one God in whom we believe, and this is the secret of naming it as the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.

The Father is the title of the essential Fatherhood of God.

The Son is the title of the incarnated Word of God.


And also, for that matter, if wanting to have more information on what the Early Church and Jewish Christians did in navigating the Trinity, one can go here to previous discussions when it comes to seeing what occurred for Jewish Believers (Who were Monotheistic) when it came to their faith in Yeshua and yet learned how to understand that Monotheism was not opposite of a Triune perspective in the Lord:

With similarities, When understanding the background of how the Quran developed, some things tend to make more sense as to how it developed as it did. Again, studying one of the earliest critiques of St.John of Damascus is amongst the best routes to go with since his view was that Islam (when it was starting) was essentially a heresy within Christianity rather than something different at ALL points from Christianity. He called it the "Heresy of the Ishmaelites." John the Damascene was a saint and an early Church Father who experienced Islam during its infantile stages...


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As others have often noted, the problem with Islam is that it stopped where Muhammad began. He had tried to call his people to worship God against pagan worship/idolatry..and reintroduced the Abrahamic faith into a pagan area. However, despite any positive gains, there were many others that were later developed into error as life went on---making him comparable to Solomon, the great teacher/king who ended his life doing exactly opposite of what he had initially preached and demonstrated. To judge from the subsequent nature of Islam, Christianity seems to have been particularly interesting to him, since Muhammad adopted and adapted quite a few Christian ideas...and IMHO, when studying the people who initially came into the land where Muhammad grew up in, it seems that much of the Disputes between the Eastern Orthodox Christians and the Roman Catholic papacy influenced Muhammad s understanding of Christianity on certain levels. Despite all of the ways that Muhammad did erroneous things, I'd tend to agree with others who feel that the man was partially a victim of Christianity/the evolution it went through.

The man was also a victim of having several things occurring at once. As another noted best on St. John of Damascus' critique of Early Islam:

First of all, it is essential to realize that theology in Islam developed in large part as a result of specific political debates. On theological issues, there is evidence that it may also have developed, at least in part, as a reaction to early Christian-Muslim polemics. Ignaz Goldziher, a respected Orientalist, reminds us that "Prophets are not theologians." Essentially Goldziher means that those who “receive” revelation may not have any idea about how to put it together consistently, nor are they always aware of the contradictions that later generations will have to reconcile. The Qur’an has little to say in regard to actual theology and Muhammad did not have much to add outside of the later Hadith traditions. These traditions, moreover, deal more with actions rather than beliefs. Therefore, it is necessary to understand that there is a significant difference between Christianity and Islam in regard to their view of theology; Christianity is concerned with orthodoxy (right doctrine) and Islam stresses orthopraxy (right practice). John Esposito writes that “for Christianity, the appropriate question is, ‘What do Christians believe?’ In contrast, for Islam (as for Judaism), the correct question is, ‘What do Muslims do?’"vPerhaps that is why even today there is such an emphasis on faith for many Christians and on obedience for most Muslims. Esposito refers to the Muslim belief that the “Book of deeds” will be used as a basis for their judgment, while in Christianity the basis will be a person’s faith in Christ and his atoning death – belief in what Christ has done for us rather than what we can do for him.6 Islamic theology most likely developed out of its sociopolitical context and its early confrontation with Christian polemics
From what I understand, Constantine legalized Christianity and made it the official religion of the Empire. Technically, as shared elsewhere, his actions were really in connection with other Emperors since there was another who he was a Co-Ruler with that made a difference (Licinius in specific). - and to be clear, Licinius was a pagan emperor who ended up punishing/persecuting Christians everywhere in his competition with Constantine to be dominant since he felt that it was not good to have one claim Christ as emperor. People who were Christians were kept from labor/jobs and harmed in several other ways.....and the two co-emperors, the pagan Licinius and the Christian Constantine, reigned together over an indivisible empire at one point and both sides had mistreatment of Christians occur and Pagans. The man did grant everyone - Christians, Jews and others - the liberty to worship as they pleased....but his religion to promote was Christianity - with believers rejoicing in it in the same way that the Jews of Ezra's time rejoiced when the King of Persia promoted their culture/beliefs politically (Ezra 1-4) .


And in order to ensure there was unity, the many councils occurred over the years for Christians to discuss among themselves. And during the time when the Nicene Creed established orthodoxy, especially as it related to the Person of Christ, Expulsion of heresy occurred as a result of nationalized Christianity—many “Christians” with variant beliefs migrated/fled to the Arabian peninsula, which by the 6th century comprised a mixture of Jews, Hanifs, polytheistic Arab tribes, and “Christians” with varying beliefs.

In the context that Muhammad lived in, his influences were Arab polytheists, "heretic" Christians, Jews, and Abrahamic monotheists called Hanifs. The Qur’an addresses a number of heresies that had already been dealt with 300 years earlier during the age of great Christian councils, and we should learn to read it through the cultural lens of its time. Some examples of heresies it addressed were ones like saying that Jesus/God the Father and the Holy Spirit were "3 different gods" (as many Muslims often say "CHristians" say when failing to understand that Muhammad said not to support the ideology of 3 gods since other Christians were condeming such).

Happened for others when they witnessed to Muslims and realized that many of their reactions were due to misunderstanding what Biblical Christianity was truly about. One story I remember involved a man witnessing to two Muslims and one Muslim noted "Did God have any sons?"---and the man said "Yes"...with the Muslim replying "NOT ACCORDING TO THE BIBLE!!!!". The believer was shocked and asked his Arabic Christian friend why, with the other responding by asking what the Muslim meant. The man translated and said the Muslim was offended due to thinking that God having a Son (Christ) meant that he had sexual relations with Mary---similar to the ways that Greek-Gods did things and how Mormonism teaches when it says God fathered Jesus through "celestial sex" with other beings.

When the Christian explained the issue to the man and clarified what he meant---that being the Son of GOD DIDN'T imply sexual relations, the Arabic Christian asked the Muslim if what the Christian made sense...and to the Muslim, he said that it definately connected. It all came back to the issue of understanding how to best connect with others and changing the conversation/finding ways to speak in manners that actually made sense to others....more shared here and here. I glad that Yeshua left us the example He did when it came to relating to others---with his stances toward Samaritans being amongst the most powerful (as many have often equated the Muslims with Samaritans in many ways, more discussed here at Frontier Missions


 
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People should remember that the idea of Islam as a separate religion is a fairly modern one.

Dante for instance, has Mohammed in the Eighth circle of Hell, amongst the Heretics - "those who tear the body of Christ asunder"
Piers Ploughman called the Saracens heretics, not infidels. Peter the Venerable called Mohammed the successor of Arius. John of Damascus wrote of Islam in his book on Heresies. The Journey of John de Mandeville speaks of the ease of converting muslims from their heresy to the true worship of Christ.

Islam was seen as an heresy for much of the mediaeval period and beyond. It was only with the growing Orientalist studies after the 16th that it began to be classified as a separate religion, but even this took some time to be established. This was the same time when Protestantism and Catholicism were occasionally classed as separate religions - luckily this idiocy has mostly died down.

Whether Islam is really a separate religion or not, it is certainly derived from Judaeo-Christian roots and we share a lot of ideas. Islam rejects Christ's crucifixion, so based on that, I would class it as separate as well. The discussion between a Muslim and a Christian is however, far different than it would be between a Buddhist, Hindu or Atheist.
 
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Honestly, growing up with a grandmother who grew up in a sect of Islam AND seeing this discussion often within Black culture (since we have had Muslims and Christians experiencing slavery in America since its founding), a lot of things can feel like it takes awhile for others to become aware of where many never saw any issue. I've seen and met many growing up in Islam who clarified what they meant when it came to things like Jesus being God and the Spirit of God working with him (in raising him from the dead/doing miracles) - and they were very direct noting the Qur'an itself never condemned the Crucifixion. Of course, for many saying Islam does so, there are also Christians saying Jesus never condemned same sex unions in the Bible ...but that is an argument from silence. It's the same in the Qur'an when it comes to the Death/Rise of Christ. I am thankful for this awesome video lecture series investigating the evidence for the crucifixion of the prophet Jesus, looking at what the Qur'an says, the Injil's account and other historical reports.



Where many get confused is when others see people say that they did not kill Christ - and from the perspective that Jesus IS life and LIFE ITSELF could not be defeated, they're right. Jesus did not die spiritually and his physical body was sacrificed when he laid down his life (John 10) and rose again. This is something that even Nestorians debated extensively among themselves when talking on how the nature of Christ could experience death and yet be above it.


The Qur'an seems to present a perspective of Christianity where Christians worship 3 gods and these gods are Allah, Mariah and Issa (or God, Mary and Jesus). This is something Muslims have commented directly to me like it's assumed knowledge and I have course taken those times to reject such beliefs. This is clearly from passages that reject Mary and Jesus as "gods" or calling God 3 (inserting Allah, Mariah and Issa as the three). The issue is this also is rejected by Orthodox Christianity today and in the 7th century and I'm curious to know where this came from?

During the 7th century dominate Christianity in the AP (Arab Peninsula) was probably Nestorian. What is Nestorian Christianity? It was started by a guy name Nestorius (early 5th century) who was labeled a heretic by rejecting the title of Mary "theotokos" (mother of God) to what he thought was more theologically correct "christotokos" (mother of Christ). He also believed that Jesus had two natures (divine and human). At the time the natures of Christ was not fully articulated by the Church and was still developing but Orthodox Christianity rejected Nestorius thinking in favour of a single nature Christ (later revised to accept something closer to nestorius thinking with 2 natures). He then was exiled where for a time he ended up in the AP and this is where Nestorian Christianity started in the AP (by Nestorius himself)

It's unclear how Nestorianism evolved being unchecked by orthodox Christianity but Nestorius himself was a Nicene Christian and believed in the trinity. He also was against the title of Mary "theotokos" and fought to remove it (which got him exiled and labeled a heretic). Theotokos is actually more about Christ than about Mary and Nestorius didn't disagree with it's teaching but rather its terminology and the potential misleading implications it put on Mary which is why he preferred christotokos. Suffice to say Nestorius rejected worship of Mary or deifying her in any way.

But clearly the prophet of Islam encountered such heretica belief systems and took note to reject them. Some say his wife and uncle may have been Nestorian Christians themselves or at least his exposure to Christianity that he accepted was Nestorian. The Ka'ba itself historical is said to have a painting of Mary and the child Jesus inside (or classic "Madonna and Child" painting) and when all the idols were removed this picture remained (it has since been removed). So The Prophet didn't object to a type of reverence toward Mary and Jesus but he did reject this Allah-Mariah-Issa god partnership. It would seem the objection of this heresy was practiced probably by some fringe Christian group that actually worshiped Allah, Mariah and Issa as separate gods which Christianity, even those with particular affinity to Mary, categorically reject.

The Qu'ran is vehemently anti-tritheistic, and aggressively Unitarian, but intentionally seems to avoids anti-trinitarian language which would be impossible not to come into contact with the word; despite interpretations "ثَلَاثَةٌ" is not "trinity" it is "three". It seems the prophet was contextualizing the monotheistic abrahamic regions of the area recognizing they worship the true God in a polytheistic context; in doing so aggressively rejected any hint of "more than one" affirming only "there is no god by God" which in itself does not reject the trinity.... it perhaps misunderstands it but does not reject it as I too as a Christian can say "there is no god by God" Jesus himself affirms the teaching of the Torah saying "Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one."
 
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the quran taken at face value does not need to reject the trinity or the crucifixion as the language is simply not specific enough but doctrines of Islam aggressively reject both. I actually see Muhammad like a Moses character in that Moses had to deal with a people who had pagan/polytheistic tendencies and a gross miseducation about God with no leader, no priestly order, no temple. They needed to be united under a strict monotheistic regime and essentially de-paganized. Muhammad had the same task and his approach was rejecting any hint of plural gods and the trinity did not fit that strict model within a polytheistic culture just as it wouldn't fit a post-egyptian israelite culture. I don't consider him a prophet and that's not what this conversation is about however under the right guidance his message could have had greater impact. I don't know if the church at the time was too blind, prideful or just ill equipped to recognize the positive role it could have played with Islam but the quran is redeemable under the context it was written in and perhaps had things played differently arab christians would be carrying a third canon of their bible and Muhammad considered a saint.
 
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One possible clue is the Gospel of Barnabas. This gospel is pseudepigrapha, but it probably predates the times claimed for Muhammad's life. The theology of the gospel matches Islam's beliefs, so maybe the Christian community who wrote the Gospel of Barnabas were an influence on Islam. Apparently historians recently discovered a very early manuscript from near the time when Islam was forming. Until this discovery, the manuscripts available were from much more recent centuries and might have been edited by Muslims. I don't know how closely this early manuscript matches the later manuscripts.
Gospel of Barnabas - Wikipedia
 
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One possible clue is the Gospel of Barnabas. This gospel is pseudepigrapha, but it probably predates the times claimed for Muhammad's life. The theology of the gospel matches Islam's beliefs, so maybe the Christian community who wrote the Gospel of Barnabas were an influence on Islam. Apparently historians recently discovered a very early manuscript from near the time when Islam was forming. Until this discovery, the manuscripts available were from much more recent centuries and might have been edited by Muslims. I don't know how closely this early manuscript matches the later manuscripts.
Gospel of Barnabas - Wikipedia
Where did you hear of this early 7th century manuscript? I couldn't find anything of this sort when I tried to google it. It can't be the same though if they did find one, as the known gospel of Barnabas has many mediaeval anachronisms, so it may just be a text upon which it was partially based? Much appreciated.
 
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Where did you hear of this early 7th century manuscript? I couldn't find anything of this sort when I tried to google it. It can't be the same though if they did find one, as the known gospel of Barnabas has many mediaeval anachronisms, so it may just be a text upon which it was partially based? Much appreciated.
I googled "gospel of Barnabas Turkey" to find some links. Some of the journalists who authored the articles seem to be pretty ignorant. If you find any information that is less sensationalized let me know. It would be very interesting to compare a pre-Islamic manuscript with the later manuscripts, because it might explain where the Islamic beliefs originated. Here is one news article FWIW:
Secret £14million Bible in which 'Jesus predicts coming of Prophet Muhammad' unearthed in Turkey | Daily Mail Online
 
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I googled "gospel of Barnabas Turkey" to find some links. Some of the journalists who authored the articles seem to be pretty ignorant. If you find any information that is less sensationalized let me know. It would be very interesting to compare a pre-Islamic manuscript with the later manuscripts, because it might explain where the Islamic beliefs originated. Here is one news article FWIW:
Secret £14million Bible in which 'Jesus predicts coming of Prophet Muhammad' unearthed in Turkey | Daily Mail Online
Seems to be a forgery. It apparently claims to be a true copy of an early Gospel of Barnabas in Aramaic, supposedly transcribed by monks in the 1500s.
It is however written in modern Neo-Aramaic, has significant grammatical errors and even uses the wrong terms for holy books.
It looks like this is 16th or 17th century at the earliest. Seems this story was picked up by news agencies, had a few days in the sun and then quietly died.


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Seems to be a forgery. It apparently claims to be a true copy of an early Gospel of Barnabas in Aramaic, supposedly transcribed by monks in the 1500s.
It is however written in modern Neo-Aramaic, has significant grammatical errors and even uses the wrong terms for holy books.
It looks like this is 16th or 17th century at the earliest. Seems this story was picked up by news agencies, had a few days in the sun and then quietly died.


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Well that's disappointing. It's a shame Turkey won't let anybody study the manuscript. A forgery can still be informative.
 
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One possible clue is the Gospel of Barnabas. This gospel is pseudepigrapha, but it probably predates the times claimed for Muhammad's life. The theology of the gospel matches Islam's beliefs, so maybe the Christian community who wrote the Gospel of Barnabas were an influence on Islam. Apparently historians recently discovered a very early manuscript from near the time when Islam was forming. Until this discovery, the manuscripts available were from much more recent centuries and might have been edited by Muslims. I don't know how closely this early manuscript matches the later manuscripts.
Gospel of Barnabas - Wikipedia

Islamic textual content(The Qur'an) primarily consist of Gnostic Gospels from the Syrian orders as is evident since Syrian Arabic and its dialect occurs in many places in the Qur'an. There were things present IN the Syrian orders since there were various forms of Christian thought which tended to get included as well (Based on forms of Christian ideas Mohommad was exposed to).

Moreover, Most, if not ALL of Islam is based on non-canonical Jewish sources that existed amongst the illiterate Jews of western Arabia and which were told by storytellers in the public market places of mainly Mecca. And the same goes for stories told by many of the Christians who were exiled from the Eastern empire due to their views being herectical/not accepted by the Orthodoxy of the day.


From an historical perspective, some of the stories in the Quran must have been circulating around Arabian caravan routes where Muhammad may have heard them when he was in the employ of his wife Khadija. If interested, the following 7-minute video explains a few of them.



With Eastern Christianity (in some circles), similar things have often come up...as there's one account somewhere I remember learning of where the 18yrs of the life was Christ (between when he was 12 and when he went into ministry) involved Him traveling to India, making playful miracles and learning. In the Quran itself, those specific folklore stories are from the second century and older. Some of the material in the hadith is actually taken verbatim from the Gospel of Thomas.

The story of Jesus talking to Mary in the Cradle, as it appears in the Qur'an in Surah 3:38-48, has always interested me. For the story was most likely being told in the times of Muhammad when considering the pseudepigrapha accounts of the same. --and for more, one can go here or here, in light of how many other scholars have been noting the same for sometime now. Apparently Muhammad heard them told verbally and thought they were true, when in fact, they are folklore. He couldn't tell the difference, as one who wasn't educated. They include Jesus talking as an infant and making clay birds that could fly, plus others.


To give a different perspective on why so much within the Qur'an is similar to what is found in Christianity and why Mohommad knew that, it was once noted that what was noted in the Qur'an on Christ was indeed the same Yeshua but with a newly decorated biography, essentially looking to the right person but with an incomplete understanding that could lead to bad consequences.

Seeing how Muhammad himself was not really a scholar on all points and was heavily influenced by the accounts of Christ he may have heard from other believers in Christ, it is not surprising to me to see the many ways in which some of the things he notes are not fully accurate..or as well expounded upon as in the very Bible which the Qur'an encourages all to actually study. It's always interesting to see the many accounts of believers in Christ who noted that they grew up studying the Qur'an--and yet, grew from that into reading the scriptures when they noticed how the Qur'an instructed them to do so...and thus, they ended up reading the scriptures/gaining a fuller view of what the Qur'an only saw to a limited degree...

Some of it's akin to the dynamic of folk or tale tales and real biographies, as the former deal with unbelievable elements, related as if it were true and factual, even though there are many true aspects it was built around while other things are exaggerations. Some stories are exaggerations of actual historical/biographical eventS (i.e. Davey Crocket and the Alamo, John Henry, etc), for example fish stories ('the fish that got away') such as, "that fish was so big, why I tell ya', it nearly sank the boat when I pulled it in!"---but compared to an actual biography, one will get fuller details that describe an event in its fullness and give clarity on one aspect that wasn't understood as fully.

For a practical example of this within the Qur'an, one can consider the aforementioned example of where it was noted that the Lord made clay pigeons come to life. In the Qur'an, it notes that "Jesus could make birds out of clay and create life for the amusement of his playmates with "Allah's" permission. He would make clay birds into which he breathed and they were transformed, by the Lord's permission into real birds that could fly. i.e. duplication of the process of CREATION, by God's permission. Seeing that, one must ask 'what purpose was there in allowing 'Jesus' to make birds out of clay what could fly (with Allah's permission) further God's purpose? For God doesn't do things without a purpose.

That fact that 'Jesus' could do this tells us that as a child 'Jesus' could create life. And who creates life, but God Himself? In the final analysis, perhaps the Qur'an is demonstrating that 'Jesus' is the Creator. For notice according to the Qur'an "Allah" creates through His Word---and Jesus/Isa is considered the Word and Spirit of God. Perhaps the author of the Qur'an didn't realize what this all meant...as he repeated Christian folklore and made a huge mistake in repeating it without understanding the full implications.
 
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From an historical perspective, some of the stories in the Quran must have been circulating around Arabian caravan routes where Muhammad may have heard them when he was in the employ of his wife Khadija. If interested, the following 7-minute video explains a few of them.

Thanks, I just finished watching that video you linked - very interesting.
 
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Honestly, growing up with a grandmother who grew up in a sect of Islam AND seeing this discussion often within Black culture (since we have had Muslims and Christians experiencing slavery in America since its founding), a lot of things can feel like it takes awhile for others to become aware of where many never saw any issue. I've seen and met many growing up in Islam who clarified what they meant when it came to things like Jesus being God and the Spirit of God working with him (in raising him from the dead/doing miracles) - and they were very direct noting the Qur'an itself never condemned the Crucifixion. Of course, for many saying Islam does so, there are also Christians saying Jesus never condemned same sex unions in the Bible ...but that is an argument from silence. It's the same in the Qur'an when it comes to the Death/Rise of Christ. I am thankful for this awesome video lecture series investigating the evidence for the crucifixion of the prophet Jesus, looking at what the Qur'an says, the Injil's account and other historical reports.
Where many get confused is when others see people say that they did not kill Christ - and from the perspective that Jesus IS life and LIFE ITSELF could not be defeated, they're right. Jesus did not die spiritually and his physical body was sacrificed when he laid down his life (John 10) and rose again. This is something that even Nestorians debated extensively among themselves when talking on how the nature of Christ could experience death and yet be above it.

Concerning Al-Nisa: 155-158: ‘And so for breaking their pledge, for rejecting Allāh’s revelations, for unjustly killing their prophets, for saying: “Our minds are closed” - No! Allāh has sealed them in their disbelief, so they believe only a little - and because they disbelieved and uttered a terrible slander against Mary, and said: “We have killed the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, the Messenger of Allāh.” They did not kill him, nor did they crucify him, though it was made to appear like that to them; those that disagreed about him are full of doubt, with no knowledge to follow, only supposition: they certainly did not kill him - Allāh raised him up to Himself. Allāh is almighty and wise.’

I’ve spent a while learning (and in some cases re-learning) what the Qur’an and others have to say about the crucifixion. I’ve read extracts of the tafâsîr (interpretations of the Qur’an) of Wahb Ibn Munabbih; Ṭabarî; Makkî Ibn Abi Ṭâlib; Qurṭubî; Ibn Kathîr; Suyûṭî; Ṭabâṭabâ’î ; and Jazâ’irî. All of them (apart from Ṭabâṭabâ’î) are saying that Yeshua (ʿalayhi as-salām) was not crucified, but that another was made to resemble him - and to take his place. It is not possible to justify, from Al-Nisa: 155-158, any notion of a substitute.

There are those who say that the Qur’an is denying only that the Jews crucified Yeshua. Not so. The Qur’an is saying that Yeshua was not crucified (killed) at all - not by the Jews, and not by anyone else.

Some agree with this; but only to argue that it was Allāh (subḥānahu ūta'āla) Himself who did the killing. In support of their argument they quote: ‘Those who say: “Allāh is the Messiah, the son of Mary,” are defying the truth. Say: “If it had been Allāh’s will, could anyone have prevented Him from destroying the Messiah, son of Mary, together with his mother and everyone else on earth? Control of the heavens and earth and all that is between them belongs to Allāh: He creates whatever He will. God has power over everything.’ (Al-Ma’ida: 17); and this: ‘No soul may die except with Allāh’s permission at a predestined time.’ (Al‘Imran 145); and this: ‘The Father loves me, because I lay down my life in order to take it up again. No one takes it from me; I lay it down of my own free will.’ (John 10: 17-18); and even this: ‘. . . it was the Lord's will to crush him . . .’ (From Isaiah 53: 1-12).

Comment:

The Qur’an uses two different terms when referring to death: ‘mawt’ and ‘tawaffâ’. The former is the Qur’an’s usual term for death.

Mawt:

A major point of distinction between ‘mawt’ and ‘tawaffâ’ is that only the former is associated with murder or manslaughter (‘qatala’). We see examples of the use of ‘qatala’ (and its derivatives) in the following: ‘And Pharaoh said: “Leave me to kill Moses (aqtulu Musa) - let him call upon his Lord! - for I fear he may cause you to change your religion, or spread disorder in the land.”’ (Ghafi: 26); and again: ‘They were struck with humiliation and wretchedness, and they incurred the wrath of Allāh because they persistently rejected His messages and killed (yaqtuloona) prophets contrary to all that is right. All this was because they disobeyed and were lawbreakers.’ (Al-Baqara: 61); and again: ‘Allāh has certainly heard the words of those who sneer, “So Allāh is poor, while we are rich”. We shall record everything they say – as well as their killing (wa qatlahum) of prophets in defiance of all that is right – and We shall say to them: “Taste the torment of the scorching fire.”’ (Al‘Imran: 181). There are several others verses where derivatives of ‘qatala’ are used when describing the death of prophets.

With ‘mawt’ comes the natural decomposition of the body; its return to dust. There is no return from ‘mawt’, save on the Day of Resurrection.

As far as I can tell, derivatives of ‘mawt’ and ‘qatala’- used as expressions of normal death when referring to the demise of all other prophets - are never used for Yeshua. The term used to describe his departure is a derivative of ‘tawaffâ’. This appears to make the manner of his leaving something special.

Tawaffâ:

‘Tawaffâ’ invokes the notion of completion and fulfilment. The Qur’anic image of death through ‘tawaffâ’ is quite different from that of ‘mawt’. For a start, ‘tawaffâ’ is never associated with ‘qatala’; instead, it is juxtaposed with ‘nawm’ (sleep). On two occasions sleep is described as a repeated nightly death (‘tawaffâ bil layl’): ‘It is He who calls your souls back by night, knowing what you have done by day, then raises you up again in the daytime until your fixed term is fulfilled. It is to Him that you will return in the end, and He will tell you what you have done.’ (Al-An‘am: 60); and again: ‘Allāh takes the souls of the dead and the souls of the living while they sleep – He keeps hold of those whose death He has ordained and sends the others back until their appointed time – there truly are signs in this for those who reflect.’ (Al-Zumar: 42).

In the Qur’an the term ‘an appointed time’ is used in a general sense for the cycles of the sun and moon: ‘He makes the night merge into the day and the day into the night; He has subjected the sun and the moon - each runs for an appointed term.’ (Fatir: 13); for the waiting period associated with divorce: ‘If you are in doubt, the period of waiting will be three months for those women who have ceased menstruating and for those who have not (yet) menstruated; for the waiting period of those who are pregnant will be until they deliver their burden: ‘Allāh makes things easy for those who are mindful of Him.’ (Al-Talaq: 4); for the time that a widow has to wait before she can remarry: ‘If any of you die and leave widows, the widows should wait for four months and ten nights before remarrying.’ (Al-Baqara: 234); and when contracting the period of a loan: ‘You who believe, when you contract a debt for a stated term, put it down in writing: have a scribe write it down justly between you.’ (Al-Baqara: 282).

The term is also applied, of course, in a particular sense to one’s predestined time for living.

It is worth noting that whenever a verse includes a reference to a person’s predestined death the term used is always ‘mawt’. There are no exceptions. This suggests that when we reach our ‘appointed time’ we experience, not ‘tawaffâ’, but ‘mawt’; with no chance to return to life, save at the Day of Resurrection: ‘No soul may die except with Allāh’s permission at a predestined time. If anyone strives for the rewards of this world, We will give him some of them. If anyone strives for the rewards of the Hereafter, We will give him some of them: We will reward the grateful.’ (Al‘Imran: 145).

There is no notion of physical damage or decomposition in ‘tawaffâ’. Likewise, there is no notion of a ‘non-return’ (as there is in ‘mawt’). It might be better, therefore, to avoid understanding and translating ‘tawaffâ’ as ‘death’; or ‘to die’; or ‘to cause to die’. People return from ‘tawaffâ’ every night of their lives. What makes the last experience of ‘tawaffâ’ non-returnable - as when someone dies in their sleep - lies not in tawaffâ own nature, but in its combination with ‘mawt’.

There is nothing in the Qur’an to support the claim that Allāh (subḥānahu ūta'āla) killed Yeshua; and nothing to justify the notion that he killed himself. But what are we to make of the words: ‘Allāh said: “Jesus, I will take you back and raise you up to Me.”’ (Al‘Imran: 55).

The word ‘take’ in ‘I will take you back’ translates ‘mutawaffi’. Its root, of course, is w-f-y; the root of tawaffâ (and not that of mawt). Some mufassirûn interpret ‘mutawaffi’ to mean that Yesuha died, and was taken in death. Other mufassirûn say that this interpretation is problematic, since – as we have seen - ‘tawaffâ’ is not the same as ‘mawt’.

It is for this reason, perhaps, that these same mufassirûn interpret ‘mutawaffi’ as a kind of sleep; since the Qur’an uses the same root (w-f-y) for sleeping, and - as we have seen - presents sleep as a kind of death.

The word ‘raise’ in ‘and raise you up to me’ translates ‘rafa‘a’ (‘to raise’) rather than ‘ba‘atha’, which is used elsewhere to mean ‘to resurrect’ after death. Commenting on this, Abu Musa al-Ash'ari writes: ‘There is a consensus among the community of the faithful that the Prophet Jesus (as) was raised alive to the heavens.’ (‘al-Ibana 'an Usul al-Diyana); and Hasan Basri Cantay writes: ‘Allah raised and lifted up the Prophet Jesus (as) in both body and soul.’ (Tafsir of the Qur'an); and Imam ibn Taymiyya writes: ‘The verse "He raised him to His Presence" … explains that the Prophet Jesus (as) was raised in both body and soul.’ (Majmu' Fatawa).

Citing both Al‘Imran 55 and Al-Nisa' 157-158, Zahid al-Kawthari claims that the ascension of Yeshua is beyond doubt: ‘That is because the basic meaning of the word rafa'a in the verses is transportation from below to above. There is no element here that could be used to interpret the verses metaphorically. Therefore, there is no evidence for seeking to produce a meaning in the sense of ascension in honour and station.’ (Nazra 'Abira fi Maza'im; page 93).

The argument that Yeshua was raised alive - both body and soul - is strengthen by the use of the word ‘bal’ that appears in Al-Nisa 157-158. By way of explanation, Sheikh al-Islam Mustafa Sabri writes:

‘If the term ‘bal’, which appears in Surat Al-Nisa' 158 and which I have translated as "on the contrary," comes after a sentence expressing a negativity, then, according to the rules of Arabic linguistics, the sentence following it must mean the exact opposite of the one preceding it. The opposite of death is life. This is a requirement of the rules of linguistics. If we say that "the ascension here is a spiritual one" and "the Prophet Jesus (as) died in the normal sense," then we are violating that rule. In that case, the ascension following the expression "on the contrary" would not represent the opposite to the verbs of "killing" and "crucifying" in the negative sentence preceding it. That is because it may be possible for a person to be killed and for his or her soul to rise to the skies. Otherwise, this term would be meaningless, and there are no meaningless terms in the Qur'an … According to those who support the thesis that the ascension is only one of the soul, the meaning of the verse is this: "They did not kill him and did not crucify him … on the contrary (‘bal’), Allah raised his station." There is no particular oratory here, let alone succinctness … No rational person could take the words "The elevator in my building raises me to the fourth floor every day," to mean that I am only raised to the fourth floor in spirit. Therefore, neither was the Prophet Jesus (as) raised only in spirit. (‘Position of Reason’; page 233).

Said Ramadan al-Buti interpreted the subject in the same way: ‘The mutual compatibility between the verses’ previous and later sections necessarily reveals a fact. For example, if an Arab says: "I am not hungry; on the contrary, I am lying on my side," this is not a correct sentence. In the same way, there is a discrepancy between the components in the sentence: "Khalid did not die; on the contrary, he is a good man." What would be correct is to say: "Khalid did not die; on the contrary, he is alive." To say: "The chairman was not killed; he is a man with a superior station in Allah's Presence" also leads to a break in meaning in the sentence, for his having a high station in Allah's Sight is no obstacle to his being killed. The term bal expresses a contradiction between the preceding and the following words. In other words, bal cancels out a previous statement. (Islamic Catechism: page 338).

The conclusion (justified in my view) is that Yeshua (ʿalayhi as-salām) did not die, but was merely removed from this dimension by the Will of Allāh (subḥānahu ūta'āla); and He knows best.
 
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According to the Quran to be truly wise you must believe whatever the foolish believe (moslems). surah al baqrah verse 13
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You really do need to set the verse in its context:

‘Some people say: “We believe in Allāh and the Last Day,” when really they do not believe. They seek to deceive Allāh and the believers but they only deceive themselves, though they do not realize it. There is a disease in their hearts, to which Allāh has added more: agonizing torment awaits them for their persistent lying. When it is said to them: “Do not cause corruption in the land,” they say: “We are only putting things right,” but really they are causing corruption, though they do not realize it. When it is said to them: “Believe, as the others believe,” they say: “Should we believe as the fools do?” but they are the fools, though they do not know it.’ (Al-Baqara 8-13).

Comment:

The ‘some people’ referred to in verse 1 are the hypocrites (munāfiqūn); originally, those who lived around Madinah, and who pretended to be Muslims (believers), but were not. The verse can also be applied to hypocrites in general, no matter wherever and whenever they happen to live.

The ‘fools’ spoken of by the hypocrites (in verse 13) are the Companions of the Prophet (sallallahu 'alayhi wa sallam). The Companions are ‘fools’ because they believe in Allāh (subḥānahu ūta'āla)
and His revelations.

The behaviour of the hypocrites is seen as a general attitude of rejection of faith. Consider also: ‘For the leader. On machalat. A maskil of David: A brutish fool tells himself, "There isn't any God." Such people are depraved, all their deeds are vile, not one of them does what is good.’ (Psalm 53:1 - Complete Jewish Bible).
 
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