GOD'S LAW (10 commandments) ARE FOREVER!

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The verse you quoted out of context is actually being written to people that kept the Sabbath & Holy Days

The Colossians were Sabbath keepers and also kept the dietary laws. Paul was writing to them to encourage them to not let anyone judge them for keeping these things. Start at verse 8 and read closely through verse 17.

The Sabbath & Holy days & food laws still foreshadow things to come. Notice it says "these ARE a shadow of THINGS TO COME", meaning, they haven't come yet. :)

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It appears that you don't understand or haven't Acts. I find no evidence what you said in Colossians. Acts shows very clearly it was the Judaizers causing the problem. It wasn't pagans or gentile converts. They didn't convert to a reformed Judaism.
 
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When he( the holy spirit) comes he will convict the world of guilt in regard to sin and righteousness and judgement.
IN REGARD TO SIN because men do not believe in me. In regard to righteousness for i am going to my father and you will see me no more.
IN REGARD TO JUDGEMENT because the prince of this world now stands condemned
John 16:8-11

So WHO is convicting people the basis of the Christians judgement is the law?
What i don't understand is why the Holy Spirit hasn't convicted me about the 4th commandment. You say the world would be convicted which means everyone to me, Christian or not. I just find no evidence of this. Everyone that doesn't have a seared conscious knows it's wrong (sin) to lie, steal and commit adultery.
 
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What i don't understand is why the Holy Spirit hasn't convicted me about the 4th commandment. You say the world would be convicted which means everyone to me, Christian or not. I just find no evidence of this. Everyone that doesn't have a seared conscious knows it's wrong (sin) to lie, steal and commit adultery.
You have to rightly divide the word. I simply quoted the words of Jesus, he must have been referring to believers, people from the world who would become Christians, convicted by the Holy Spirit. They are the only ones who have the holy spirit.
You are not convicted by the By the Spirit you must observe a set seventh day sabbath for you are not required to under the NC. People who are convicted to do that, are not convicted by law inside of them/ the Holy Spirit but through reading what is written in ink
 
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God's Law (10 commandments). While Christ's death ended the authority of the ceremonial law (laws of Moses), it established the Ten Commandments. Christ took away the curse of the law, thereby liberating believers from its condemnation. His doing so, however, did not mean that the law was abolished, giving us liberty to violate its principles. The abundant testimony of Scripture regarding the perpetuity of the law, refutes such a view.
Christ's death ended what? The authority of ceremonial law you say. The 4th commandment is purely ceremonial. To keep the 4th because of creation is ceremonial.

You say Christ took away the curse of the law meaning condemnation. Without condemnation there can be no punishment. That would mean the law is nothing more than a suggestion. Suggestions are not punishable yet they can be freely transgressed.

Correct in that Jesus doesn't give liberty to sin. The problem with your presentation is the belief sin is only transgression of the law. That isn't what the full verse of 1 John 3:4 states.

No one here promotes the idea the law is annihilated. No one here says the law never was. What the Scripture teaches is the law is no longer in force. See Luke 16:16 for example. There's no need in referencing every passage. If Luke 16:16 isn't believed neither will any other passages. John 3:3 isn't based on the anything found in the OT.

Nothing negates the perpetuity of the law. Such a statement doesn't mean it forever has jurisdiction. All law can be rescinded. This was promised in Jeremiah 31. It was confirmed by Jesus in Luke 22. Other passages such as Hebrews 7 confirms without doubt the law has changed. Jesus lays the foundation of this with Luke 24:44 a direct reference to Matthew 5:17-18.
 
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You have to rightly divide the word. I simply quoted the words of Jesus, he must have been referring to believers, people from the world who would become Christians, convicted by the Holy Spirit. They are the only ones who have the holy spirit.
You are not convicted by the By the Spirit you must observe a set seventh day sabbath for you are not required to under the NC. People who are convicted to do that, are not convicted by law inside of them/ the Holy Spirit but through reading what is written in ink
I think you don't understand my post. I believe it is in agreement with your quoted post. It's a disagreement with the OP.
 
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Paul described the relationship between obedience and the gospel of saving grace. Calling believers to holy living, he challenged them to present themselves "as instruments of righteousness to God. For sin shall have no dominion over you, for you are not under law but under grace" (Rom. 6:13, 14). So Christians do not keep the law to obtain salvation—those who try to do so will only find a deeper enslavement to sin. "As long as a man is under law he remains also under the dominion of sin, for law cannot save one from either the condemnation or the power of sin. But those who are under grace receive not only release from condemnation (Rom. 8:1), but also power to overcome (Rom. 6:4). Thus sin no longer will have dominion over them."23
I wonder why you keep trying to bring others under the dominion of the law and thus sin. You're clearly trying to get others to comply with the law. We need no power to overcome condemnation or the power of sin, death. Sin has no power to do anything with out the law.
 
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You have to rightly divide the word. I simply quoted the words of Jesus, he must have been referring to believers, people from the world who would become Christians, convicted by the Holy Spirit. They are the only ones who have the holy spirit.
You are not convicted by the By the Spirit you must observe a set seventh day sabbath for you are not required to under the NC. People who are convicted to do that, are not convicted by law inside of them/ the Holy Spirit but through reading what is written in ink
Are you saying Christians are to obey 9 of the 10 commandments, but not the 4th commandment (Sabbath)?
 
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Give me just one verse of scripture written by any of the Apostles that states the words:
You must obey the TC

They wrote much about correct living, but none of them once mentioned the words TC.
They were living under a NC you see, not the old one.
Paul of course did refer to the TC. He said they were the letter that kills/ the ministry of death and condemnation. And he spent most of Romans ch7 speaking of the need to die to righteousness of observing the TC.
Tell someone they can only be in a saved state If they obey the TC and you place them under a righteousness of observing the law. That's the reality, as those able to see know

Did you read post # 3
and the first 4x OP posts? It is not about obeying the TC it is about needing a Savior to save us from sin because we are sinners in need of salvation. Jesus saves us from sin through forgiveness and cleansing and writing His Laws in us through His Spirit so that we can love him and follow Him (1 John 1:9; Romans 8:4; Hebrews 8:10-12; Rom 13:9-10)
 
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What i don't understand is why the Holy Spirit hasn't convicted me about the 4th commandment. You say the world would be convicted which means everyone to me, Christian or not. I just find no evidence of this. Everyone that doesn't have a seared conscious knows it's wrong (sin) to lie, steal and commit adultery.

Your choosing not to believe God's Word. This is your choice. God never forces anyone to follow him. The 4th commandment is one of the 10 and if we break one of the 10 we are guilty before God and are in danger of the judgement unless we seek God and repent.

James 2:8-12,
8, If ye fulfill the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself, ye do well: 9, But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors. 10, For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. 11, For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law. 12, So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.
 
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It appears that you don't understand or haven't Acts. I find no evidence what you said in Colossians. Acts shows very clearly it was the Judaizers causing the problem. It wasn't pagans or gentile converts. They didn't convert to a reformed Judaism.

Acts is talking about the ceremonial Laws of Moses the same as Colossians. In the case of Acts circumcision which was a shadow of the new covenant.

Deuteronomy 30:6,
And the LORD thy God will circumcise thine heart, and the heart of thy seed, to love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, that thou may live.

Romans 2:28-29,
For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
 
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Who is confused? Aren't you really trying to get people to forsake Jesus for the law when it comes to salvation? Do you keep the 4th commandment? You say people are keeping the traditions of men by not observing the 4th commandment, worshiping on Sunday. Yet you aren't in compliance with the 4th yourself keeping the traditions and teaching of a woman. You don't want to discuss that fact. Why? Will it expose you? Yes i read the whole thread at this time.

I have no confusion because I believe and trust in the Word of God. Jesus is my foundation because he is the Word (John 1:12-14). He promises us salvation from our sins if we believe Him (John 3:16). If we do not believe him then we are an unbeliever and unbelievers have no part in God's kingdom. God loves all of us and is not willing that any of us should be lost (2 Peter 3:9). We should believe His word because it is the Word of God that will judge us all in the last days (John 12:47-48). If we are following man made traditions breaking God's Law then we are not following God as is clearly shown in His Word.

Mat 15:3-9,
3, But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition? 4, For God commanded, saying, Honor thy father and mother: and, He that curses father or mother, let him die the death. 5, But ye say, Whosoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a gift, by whatsoever thou might be profited by me; 6, And honor not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition. 7, Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying, 8, This people draws nigh unto me with their mouth, and honors me with their lips; but their heart is far from me. 9, But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

What did Jesus and the Apostles teach about the Sabbath in the New Testament?

1. It is lawful to do good on the Sabbath (Matt 12:1-8; 10-12; 24:20; Mark 3:1-5; Luke 6:1-10; 13:14-16; 14:1-5; John 7:22-23; 9:14; Mark 1:21; Mark 6:2; Luke 4:16; 31; Luke 14:1; 23:56)
2. Jesus made the Sabbath for all mankind (Mark 2:27)
3. Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath (Mark 2:28)
4. If you do not believe and follow God you cannot enter His Sabbath rest (Hebrews 4)
5. It is one of God’s 10 commandments we break it we are guilty or breaking all (James 2:8-12)
6. Breaking it is sin (1 John 3:4)
7. God’s true followers keep it Holy as God commanded (Rev 14:12; Rev 22:14; Eze 20:20)
8. Jesus is our example and kept the Sabbath (Matt 12:1-8; 10-12; 24:20; Mark 3:1-5; Luke 6:1-10; 13:14-16; 14:1-5; John 7:22-23; 9:14; Mark 1:21; Mark 6:2; Luke 4:16; 31; Luke 14:1; 23:56John 2:6; Matt 16:24; 1 Cor 11:1; Eph 5:1-21; Pet 2:20-22 )
9. The Apostle kept the Sabbath (Acts 13:14; 13:27; 13:44; 15:21; 16:13; 17:2; 18:4; Rev 1:10)

Who should we follow the Word of God or man-made traditions which break God's Law?
 
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Did you read post # 3 and the first 4x OP posts? It is not about obeying the TC it is about needing a Savior to save us from sin because we are sinners in need of salvation. Jesus saves us from sin through forgiveness and cleansing and writing His Laws in us through His Spirit so that we can love him and follow Him (1 John 1:9; Romans 8:4; Hebrews 8:10-12; Rom 13:9-10)
I know the Holy Spirit gas written the law in believers minds and placed it in their hearts. I keep repeating it.
 
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A good example of quoting scripture with incorrect understanding is the op stating: It( the law) is the very foundation of old and NC and the judgement to come.Then giving heb8:10-12 as a reference concerning this. Within those verses it states:For i will forgive their wickedness and remember their sins/ transgressions of the law no more How can the law be the basis of the judgement to come, if the believers sins/ transgressions of the law and lawless deeds will be remembered no more?

I do not judge you but your statement above has no basis in truth. It is the believer in God's Word that is safe from the judgement. Those that do not believe God's Word and are living their lives in known unrepentant sin are the ones that are in danger of the judgement. It is the Word of God that will judge us in the last days.

James 2:8-12,
8, If ye fulfill the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself, ye do well: 9, But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors. 10, For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. 11, For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.12, So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

John 12:47-48,
47, And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world. 48, He that rejects me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judges him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

1 Peter 4:17-18,
17, For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God? 18, And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?
 
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I wonder why you keep trying to bring others under the dominion of the law and thus sin. You're clearly trying to get others to comply with the law. We need no power to overcome condemnation or the power of sin, death. Sin has no power to do anything with out the law.

Friend,
It is not about complying with the Law. It is about knowing Jesus and believing God's Word and by faith accepting God's free gift of salvation. God's salvation is from sin not in sin. Salvation is by faith in the Word of God. Believe His promises and you will walk in the Spirit and bare much fruit. Jesus says without me you can do nothing but with Jesus we can do all things because he strengthens us. (Romans 8:4; Matthew 7:17-21; John 15:5; Philippians 4:13)

Romans 3:31,
Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
 
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Christ's death ended what? The authority of ceremonial law you say. The 4th commandment is purely ceremonial. To keep the 4th because of creation is ceremonial.

The 4th commandment was never ceremonial. It is a memorial of creation you can read it here.

Exodus 20:8-12,
8, Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9, Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:10, But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: <why?> 11, For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

God has set the 7th Day aside in the creation week by making it a Holy day because it is a memorial of the finished work of creation.

Genesis 2:1-3,
1, Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. 2, And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. 3, And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

Ceremonial laws were only prophetic in nature and shadows of the plan of salvation for forgiveness of sin under the Old Covenant (burnt offerings, animal sacrifices, meat and drink offerings, festivals etc under the ceremonial laws of Moses) The 7th Day Sabbath was never a ceremonial law of Moses. It is one of God's 10 commandments. It is part of a FINISHED WORK of the creation week and was given for mankind BEFORE SIN entered the world so can never be a shadow of anything. (Genesis 2:1-3, Mark 2:27). The 4th commandment is a memorial not ceremonial and as such is a part of God's Forever Laws forming the standard of the Old and New Covenants (stone and heart) and the judgement to come (James 2:8-12)

Correct in that Jesus doesn't give liberty to sin. The problem with your presentation is the belief sin is only transgression of the law. That isn't what the full verse of 1 John 3:4 states.

Sin is not believing God's Word and breaking God's Law

1 John 3:4,

Whosoever commits sin transgresses also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

Romans 3:20
Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

Romans 7:7,
What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. No, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

God's Law shows us what sin is and gives us a knowledge of what sin is

No one here promotes the idea the law is annihilated. No one here says the law never was. What the Scripture teaches is the law is no longer in force. See Luke 16:16 for example. There's no need in referencing every passage. If Luke 16:16 isn't believed neither will any other passages. John 3:3 isn't based on the anything found in the OT.

The scriptures do not teach God's Law is not in force. The scriptures do however teach the ceremonial laws of Moses are no longer binding because they pointed to Jesus and were nailed to the cross Col 2:14. This is where you are confused I think.

God’s Law (10 commandments) had a similar role in the Old Covenant as it does in the New Covenant and that is to point out sin and the standard of God’s righteousness.

(1) God’s Law point out what sin is and the punishment of sin which is death (Rom 3:20; 1John 3:4). It was never a cure for sin. But it was the work of God which is forever and the foundation of the Old Covenant, the New Covenant and the Judgement to come.
(Ex 32:16; Ex 31:18; 31:18; Ex 20:1-22; Deut 10:5; Rom 3:20; 1John 3:4; Rom 6:23; Heb 7:19; Ecc 12:13-14, James 2:10-12, 1John 3:4, Acts 17:31; Ps 111:7-8; Rev 12:17; 14:12; 22:14; 1John 3:5-8; 1John 2:3-4; Ecc 3:14)

(2) The laws of Moses however were the prescriptive cure for sin with all the Levitical and ceremonial laws, burnt offerings, annual feast days foretelling the plan of salvation which were connected to Feast days with New Moon sabbaths, food and drink offerings and other Holy days. These where all types pointing to Jesus and the plan of salvation and were nailed to the cross with our sins because they are now fulfilled. Now that Jesus is here we are under the New Covenant. Jesus is our Passover and the lamb of God that takes away the sins of the world and as no longer need to provide burnt offerings when we sin to seek forgiveness.
(Lev 1:1-13; Lev 23:1-44; Num 28:1-31; 29:1-40; Deut 24:10-11; Ex 24:3; Deut 31:24-26; Col 2:16-16; Heb 10:1; Eph 2:14-15; Lev 4; 5; 6; Heb 4:14; 9;10; John 1:29; Hebrew Chapters 8; 9; 10; 2Cor 5:6-7)

It is the laws of Moses that are nailed to the cross (Col 2:14) not the 10 commandments

James 2:8-12

8, If ye fulfill the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well: 9, But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors. 10, For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. 11, For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.12, So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

As to the scripture you quoted lets have a look.........

Luke 16:16
The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presses into it.

Why? Because all the Law and the Prophets pointed to Jesus the lamb of God that taketh away the sins of the World (John 1:29). The Savior of mankind.

What you left out are the next verses..

v17-18

And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail. <Jesus then goes on to talk about one of the 10 commandments in v18> 8, Whosoever puts away his wife, and marrieth another, commits adultery: and whosoever marries her that is put away from her husband commits adultery.

So nope your interpretation is not correct about Luke 16:16 trying to say God's 10 commandments are no more.

Lets have a look now at John 3:3 where you say that the scripture is not based on anything in the Old Testament....

John 3:3

Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again,1 he cannot see the kingdom of God.

This scripture is based on the New Covenant and is found in the Old Testament

Deuteronomy 30:6
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And the LORD thy God will circumcise thine heart, and the heart of thy seed, to love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, that thou may live.

Ezekiel 36:26-27,
27, A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh. 27, And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.

Jeremiah 31:33-34,
33, But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. 34, And they shall teach no more every man his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more. (see reference to in Hebrews 8:10-12; 10:16-17)

2 Corinthians 3:3
For as much as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart.

Being born again is in reverence to the changing of our hearts of stone so that we can love God and our neighbor, because LOVE is the fulfilling (doing) of God's Law as we walk not after the flesh but after the Spirit (Romans 8:4) and is why Jesus says, If you love me keep my commandments (John 14:15).

The 7th Day Sabbath is one of the 10 commandments. If you love Jesus you will believe God and follow him.
 
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You have to rightly divide the word. I simply quoted the words of Jesus, he must have been referring to believers, people from the world who would become Christians, convicted by the Holy Spirit. They are the only ones who have the holy spirit.

God's Word says that God only gives His Spirit to those that obey Him. If someone is in known, unrepentant sin professing to know God, they do not know Jesus and God's Word and are lying.

Acts 5:32,
And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.

1 John 2:3-4,
3, And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. 4, He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

1 John 3:6-8,
6, Whosoever abides in him sins not: whosoever sins hath not seen him, neither known him. 7, Little children, let no man deceive you: he that does righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. 8, He that commits sin is of the devil; for the devil sins from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

This includes God's 4th Commandment. If we are knowingly following the tradition of Sunday worship over the Word of God we are not believing God's Word and are not following Jesus.

Acts 17:30
And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commands all men every where to repent.

 
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The problem you have is this. In stating, if you don't obey the TC you cannot be in a saved state, means, in reality your being justified before God hinges in you obeying the law. For if you are in a saved state you are, justified/ righteous, if you are in an u saved state you are not.
Why do you keep saying:
You must obey the TC anyway?
What about the beatitudes and the rest of Christ's teaching? Did he not speak the words if God when he walked this earth?
Christ upped what was written in the wording of the TC didn't he?
IE
If you even look at a woman with lust in your eye you have already committed adultery with her in your heart.

So why keep referring to the TC?
Did Christ not teach us what matters?

Jesus said the law hung on love God and love your neighbour. He did NOT say the law hung on the TC.
It's very OC to keep stressing:
You must obey the TC.
Why not just stress Jesus teaching. He spoke the words of God after all

Hi Stuart,

I do not have any problem at all. I believe God's Words. I am not saying that we need to obey God's Law for salvation and never have only you are suggesting this. By you even suggesting this only shows me you have either not read my first 4 x posts of the OP or are intentionally trying to suggest things that are not true. Examples provided below for your consideration. This post will address your earlier posts because your premise is that I am telling people they are saved by obeying the TC which I am not.

In Bold at in the 1st OP...

Salvation is not in keeping God's Law (10 commandments) it is by faith alone in God's Word to do what it says it will do. If you believe God's Word he will write his Law of Love in our hearts and it is Love which is the fulfilling of the Law in us who walk not after the Flesh but after the Spirit (Rom 8:4).

People cannot earn salvation by their good works. Obedience is the fruitage of salvation in Christ. Through His amazing grace, especially displayed at the cross, God has liberated His people from the penalty and curse of sin. Though they were sinners, Christ gave His life to provide them with the gift of eternal life. God's abundant love awakens in the repentant sinner a response that manifests itself in loving obedience through the power of the grace so abundantly bestowed.

Read all of the 2nd OP (example)

God’s Word says: LOVE is the fulfilling of God’s Law (10 commandments)

No one can keep the letter of the Law because all God’s Law does is to point out Sin (1 John 3:4). It is our mirror that shows us our condition and that all our own righteousness is as filthy rags (James 1:22-25; Isa 64:6). It is our teacher to bring us to Jesus so that we can have salvation by faith in God’s Word alone because there is nothing that we can do in our own strength to save ourselves. It is a gift of God lest any man shall boast (Rom 6:23). It is God’s Law that brings us to Jesus (Gal 3:24). He has not come to call the righteous but sinners to repentance (Matt 9:13).

LOVE is the fulfilling of God’s Law In us who walk not after the flesh but after the spirit;

Who says you must obey the TC to be saved? Certainly not me. Now if I have just copied and pasted just a few examples from the above from the OP how does what you are saying match up? Only you are suggesting that I have said we must obey the TC to be saved I never have. If only you are saying this then you have no argument because it is only with your self that you are arguing with. Therefore you have not argument.

Your suggestions are misleading on your behalf as it only says that you have either intentionally trying to mislead others as to what the OP is saying or you have not read the OP, which is it?

Let me ask you a question here in this OP.

Is someone practicing known, unrepentant sin in a saved or unsaved sate? Are these people believers or Unbelievers in God's Word?

In Christ Always
 
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