What does the Bible say about overthrowing the government?

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It appears as though the NT gives little or no support to overthrowing a local, state, or national government:

"Every [a]person is to be in subjection to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those which exist are established by God. 2 Therefore [c]whoever resists authority has opposed the ordinance of God; and they who have opposed will receive condemnation upon themselves. 3 For rulers are not a cause of fear for [d]good behavior, but for evil. Do you want to have no fear of authority? Do what is good and you will have praise from the same; 4 for it is a minister of God to you for good. But if you do what is evil, be afraid; for it does not bear the sword for nothing; for it is a minister of God, an avenger who brings wrath on the one who practices evil. 5 Therefore it is necessary to be in subjection, not only because of wrath, but also for conscience’ sake. 6 For because of this you also pay taxes, for rulers are servants of God, devoting themselves to this very thing. 7 Render to all what is due them: tax to whom tax is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honor to whom honor." Rom. 13:1-7 (NASB)

"13 Submit yourselves for the Lord’s sake to every human institution, whether to a king as the one in authority, 14 or to governors as sent [p]by him for the punishment of evildoers and the praise of those who do right." 1 Pet. 2:13-14 (NASB)

Was the Revolutionary War wrong then? And what about those that are resisting the government (aka President Trump and his administration) now? Wouldn't that mean that they are in effect resisting God?

Also, what are we to make of Nazi/Communist governments? Thoughts are appreciated.
 

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I think it a fine line between rendering unto Caesar that which is Caesar's and giving to God what is God's.
Clearly we are to obey authority up to the point where they conflict with God's Law. God takes precedence. So Nazi Germany's killing of Jews is a legitimate command for Germans to have disobeyed.

This of course begs the question of how egregiously authority needs to contradict God's commands for us to disobey. That I have no easy answer for, and likely rests with each person's conscience and relationship with God.

Here was my thread on the American War of Independance from before:
Was the American Revolution a sin?
 
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I understand disobeying a government order in the context of the Holocaust. My question is more geared toward a citizen of a country overthrowing their government. So the question could be reworded as: should a German citizen attempt to overthrow the government of Adolf Hitler?
 
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got to change hearts before we change governments or its just waste of energy and lives.
None of the apostles cared about protesting governments etc despite a lot of them in those days being probably more inhumane than what we have to day. But take ephesus, paul just kept teaching his gospel, great revolts happened there against the gospel because this was center for diana worship, but he kept at it even survived being throwned into the lions den (that will convince the worst unbeliever ). And years later we can read that the whole city had basically become a worship center for christ, the rulership changed accordingly because they were all repentant belivers, noone cared about any diana temple.
Finally even the very anti christian Rome itself toppled udner the power of the gospel, it actually did, and you couldnt even be a ruler of any kind unless you confessed christ.

And all the kings horses and all the kings men could not put humpty dumpty together again.

The gospel is the way, so no wonder paul told them to keep the laws and not stir up waves unless it is gospel waves.
 
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I understand disobeying a government order in the context of the Holocaust. My question is more geared toward a citizen of a country overthrowing their government. So the question could be reworded as: should a German citizen attempt to overthrow the government of Adolf Hitler?
hitler did have resistance all the way, from both protestant and catholic churches, some even tried to conspire to kill him. But how can we say that the same is right for every believer? there were many law obeying too that did not do any resistance and maybe even was part of the nazi party, but did a lot of undercover rescue work. ITs not wise to make a rule for these thigns, we all need to follow our own conviction in our own heart as the spirit leads us, it may look very different for each and every person. Some may enter into martyrdom, some may rise inside the goervnment in peace just to take over when its time.
 
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