Are women treated unfairly in the Bible?

CrystalDragon said:

Then why wasn't Eve instantly created rather than having God "find a helpmate" by going through all the animals like he didn't know?

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He probably got to the Siberian Tiger and said "Uh... can I have something else?"

PeaceJoyLove said:

God had a plan and purpose from the beginning... "the lamb that was slain from the foundation of the world."

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If by "the lamb" that means Jesus, then the Fall was planned from the start.

Justmeoverhere said:

This may not be a debate, but first time poster here and I'm curious on your thoughts. Please feel free to move if need be.

Struggling a lot in my marriage, was getting pastoral counseling through our church. I've always been a Christian, but not much of a Bible reader. Recently I've rectified that. I was honestly shocked at how women were treated in the Bible. And how they are commanded to behave.

I won't get into details except to say during our counseling sessions, I have repeatedly been told to submit, Ephesians 5, yada yada. I have done that. My husband was told to work on some things and he didn't. I showed frustration in a session and was told, "You should be grateful your husband is coming home every night. That he's not with other women."

I spent 2 days after hearing this pouring over every time women were mentioned in the Bible. My takeaway is a complete challenge to my faith. I do not see love for women in the Bible. I see women offered up to be raped, women held as "less than", and told to submit at all times, even when husbands are cruel or unfair. It appears to me that a suffering woman is pleasing to God. So that is my debate question: Is a suffering woman pleasing to God? Is that His desire?

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Just, who was God's Perfect/Immaculate Creation? The answer is a Woman who's name Is Mary. Who was/is the Mother of God's only Son who is God Himself Jesus Christ, by the Power of the Holy Spirit, who also is God, One God in Three Persons, called Trinity. Mary filled with the Holy Spirit stated: My God has done GREAT THINGSSSSS for Me and Holy is His Name.

Just, if you want to talk about women in the Gospels, talk about the Great Thingssss God has done for Mary. Amen Amen

Justmeoverhere said:

I won't get into details except to say during our counseling sessions, I have repeatedly been told to submit, Ephesians 5, yada yada. I have done that.

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You should only "do unto others, as you would have them do unto you."
So there is no correct difference in treatment based on gender.

JRichard68 said:

He probably got to the Siberian Tiger and said "Uh... can I have something else?"

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Some of the Jewish wisdom literature postulates that the reason that animals became licit for food after the recreation of the world with the Flood was because mankind had started to mate with the animals, and God changed the laws governing human behavior in accordance with that. Adam understood that animals were not fitting for mates, but fallen man could no longer recognize this basic fact.
By asking Adam to choose a mate from the animals, God taught Adam that there would be no animal suitable for a mate. Adam was in a sense the first born of God, and it was his responsibility to pass that knowledge onto Eve. Clearly, by allowing the most 'magnificent of beasts' to influence Eve and pose as a worthy mate for her, Adam dropped the ball on that one. He did not pass on the lesson that he had already learned about the role of animals vis-à-vis human beings.

Your musing on the Siberian Tiger by the way, reminds me of a tale about a grizzly bear, a bottle of whiskey and a native woman. Suffice it to say, it is a tale totally unfit for CF.

It's difficult to learn if you're speaking plus you need an attitude to hear. "Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection." I Tim 2:11 Understand that the women would be loud and try to interact with the speaker while they were presenting their messages.

Notice that Paul is giving his opinion and again you have to listen to learn " But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence." I Tim 2:12

"For Adam was first formed, then Eve." (I Tim 2:13) That way we could formed using the exact same materials. From Adam's side, that's the area the medical folks use today because it regenerates.

"And Adam was not deceived,..." Yes, Eve was deceived. v14 Why did Adam disobey?

A couple of places in Scripture it states what is to be done and then elaborates once it's done. After Adam had named all the animals and not finding one like him, then Eve was created as his helpmate (Gen 1:27, 2:22). (Really, He looked at Adam and said I can do better than that and created Eve - sorry, old joke).

tturt said:

It's difficult to learn if you're speaking plus you need an attitude to hear. "Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection." I Tim 2:11 Understand that the women would be loud and try to interact with the speaker while they were presenting their messages.

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The letters to the churches were not written with the intent to be included in scripture. They offer historical value to readers. Should we raise our walking sticks and seperate the waters of the sea?

Why not?

"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:" II Tim 3:16

Why was Eve created last? The only reason I can think of is because Yahweh decided to do it that way.

SkyWriting said:

The letters to the churches were not written with the intent to be included in scripture. They offer historical value to readers. Should we raise our walking sticks and seperate the waters of the sea?

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Historical value, yes, but apparently some with greater insight than us saw fit to include it. A number of verses and sections of teaching give more insight into the culture of the time, than for a 21st century context. I think a mistake that's often made is to read a 21st century mindset into 1st century culture.

JRichard68 said:

Historical value, yes, but apparently some with greater insight than us saw fit to include it. A number of verses and sections of teaching give more insight into the culture of the time, than for a 21st century context. I think a mistake that's often made is to read a 21st century mindset into 1st century culture.

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Yes, that's a mistake I've made myself.

yeshuaslavejeff said:

Trust Jesus, not men.
Jesus Word, the Bible, is YHWH Breathed, and Perfect.
Most all the world, including all those who reject God's Word, are deceived.

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Becasue that word is used only once, it was likely a term invented by Paul
and I always say that anything important in scripture is repeated
generally by more than one author, and in NT and OT.
For some reason "God Breathed" is only used once by one writer.
Perhaps the term came from a woman, and he told her to "Be quiet woman!"

There were many different beliefs in the Old Testament. You had Jewish, Gentiles, Romans, Philistines and so on. The Jewish did not allow women to speak so much back then and were somewhat inferior. This was Old Testament before Jesus walked and died for our sins. Lets not forget it was the Jewish High Priest that sentenced Jesus to his Crucifixion.

Personally I love to read Proverbs Chapter 31:10-31

Epilogue: The Wife of Noble Character
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12 She brings him good, not harm,
all the days of her life.
13 She selects wool and flax
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14 She is like the merchant ships,
bringing her food from afar.
15 She gets up while it is still night;
she provides food for her family
and portions for her female servants.
16 She considers a field and buys it;
out of her earnings she plants a vineyard.
17 She sets about her work vigorously;
her arms are strong for her tasks.
18 She sees that her trading is profitable,
and her lamp does not go out at night.
19 In her hand she holds the distaff
and grasps the spindle with her fingers.
20 She opens her arms to the poor
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21 When it snows, she has no fear for her household;
for all of them are clothed in scarlet.
22 She makes coverings for her bed;
she is clothed in fine linen and purple.
23 Her husband is respected at the city gate,
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24 She makes linen garments and sells them,
and supplies the merchants with sashes.
25 She is clothed with strength and dignity;
she can laugh at the days to come.
26 She speaks with wisdom,
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27 She watches over the affairs of her household
and does not eat the bread of idleness.
28 Her children arise and call her blessed;
her husband also, and he praises her:
29 “Many women do noble things,
but you surpass them all.”
30 Charm is deceptive, and beauty is fleeting;
but a woman who fears the Lord is to be praised.
31 Honor her for all that her hands have done,
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Man was not made for the woman, but woman for the man.
The Bible is clear that the reason for the creation of Eve was not for the sake of herself, but for Adam.

This isn't merely an opinion of scripture, but people find a verse or passage and try to make it seem as something which caters to feminist ideas.

Justmeoverhere said:

This may not be a debate, but first time poster here and I'm curious on your thoughts. Please feel free to move if need be.

Struggling a lot in my marriage, was getting pastoral counseling through our church. I've always been a Christian, but not much of a Bible reader. Recently I've rectified that. I was honestly shocked at how women were treated in the Bible. And how they are commanded to behave.

I won't get into details except to say during our counseling sessions, I have repeatedly been told to submit, Ephesians 5, yada yada. I have done that. My husband was told to work on some things and he didn't. I showed frustration in a session and was told, "You should be grateful your husband is coming home every night. That he's not with other women."

I spent 2 days after hearing this pouring over every time women were mentioned in the Bible. My takeaway is a complete challenge to my faith. I do not see love for women in the Bible. I see women offered up to be raped, women held as "less than", and told to submit at all times, even when husbands are cruel or unfair. It appears to me that a suffering woman is pleasing to God. So that is my debate question: Is a suffering woman pleasing to God? Is that His desire?

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The law (or OT) is spirit, so the things depicted relate to internal truths that we experience in a personnel way; if you can get pass the image these things become to us, much like get passing the image of being flesh.

Aseyesee said:

The law (or OT) is spirit, so the things depicted relate to internal truths that we experience in a personnel way; if you can get pass the image these things become to us, much like get passing the image of being flesh.

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Im not certain what you mean. The law is applied in very practical ways to women and they arent pleasant

Zoii said:

Im not certain what you mean. The law is applied in very practical ways to women and they arent pleasant

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The law is like a snare, unseen accept in the sight of any bird.

Aseyesee said:

The law is like a snare, unseen accept in the sight of any bird.

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(In the bible), a tree becomes a picture of something to us in relationship to the process, as does a woman, or a man, or something that comes out of the side.

Aseyesee said:

The law is like a snare, unseen accept in the sight of any bird.

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for something unseen its certainly applied .... husbands ruling wives, wives to be submissive, women shouldnt lead....and it gets way worse..... so it seems that for many the law is very much seen and thrown around

Zoii said:

for something unseen its certainly applied .... husbands ruling wives, wives to be submissive, women shouldnt lead....and it gets way worse..... so it seems that for many the law is very much seen and thrown around

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Law and perception are the same truth; a mind of degrees is at enmity with God.