What can make us secure in our Salvation...? More sure...?

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1 Timothy 6:11-12 11But you,O man of God, flee from these things and pursue righteousness, godliness, faith, love, perseverance,and gentleness. 12Fight the good fight of the faith. Take hold of the eternal life to which you were called when you made the good confession before many witnesses.…Notice that fleeing from and pursueing righteousness, godliness, faith, love, perseverance, and gentleness are part of the faith that affords us salvation.

IOW's salvation is a free gift but once we are saved we work out our salvation by pursuing the things that God desires for us.
 
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Galatians 3

You foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? Before your very eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed as crucified. 2 I would like to learn just one thing from you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by believing what you heard? 3 Are you so foolish? After beginning by means of the Spirit, are you now trying to finish by means of the flesh? 4 Have you experienced so much in vain—if it really was in vain? 5 So again I ask, does God give you his Spirit and work miracles among you by the works of the law, or by your believing what you heard? 6 So also Abraham “believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness.

7 Understand, then, that those who have faith are children of Abraham. 8 Scripture foresaw that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, and announced the gospel in advance to Abraham: “All nations will be blessed through you. 9 So those who rely on faith are blessed along with Abraham, the man of faith.

10 For all who rely on the works of the law are under a curse, as it is written: “Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law. 11 Clearly no one who relies on the law is justified before God, because “the righteous will live by faith. 12 The law is not based on faith; on the contrary, it says, “The person who does these things will live by them. 13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: “Cursed is everyone who is hung on a pole.14 He redeemed us in order that the blessing given to Abraham might come to the Gentiles through Christ Jesus, so that by faith we might receive the promise of the Spirit.

Working out our own salvation gives you a reason to gloat before God and man; it give you a reason you boast about yourself, and what YOU did to get into heaven. Saying that it's up to you to work out your salvation means that Christ partially saved you, but you must carry the remaining burden of salvation (before your own savior), therefore voiding Ephesian 2:8-9, "For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9 not by works, so that no one can boast." We did noting to earn salvation, so therefore we don't have to live up-to some certain standard of holiness to keep it. The only thing we are told to do is to "Hold onto the profession of our faith." Or in other word, as long as don't willfully reject our salvation, there is nothing we can do that will cause us to be snatched out of the hands of God.
hum....so instead of understanding what I said and what we read in Phil. 2:12 you twist it into works righteousness so that you can dismiss passages like 2 Cor. 6:1 and Col. 1:24.

Look, I get that many people are uncomfortable with the idea that we need to live out our faith but that is a teaching taught throughout the entire bible and does NOT negate salvation being a free gift of grace given to us by the Lord Jesus Christ. So if you feel the need to further respond on this matter then please refrain from twisting it as you do here. Thank you in advance.
 
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Philippians 2:12, "Work out your salvation" verse.

Here, the Philippians were encouraged by Paul to be faithful in his absence as they had been in his presence. Notice that he did not tell them to work FOR their salvation; rather, he told them to work out their salvation.

Salvation is what God did for us through Jesus Christ. It is the gift of God Romans 6:23) that can only be received by faith. When we put our faith in Jesus as our Lord, God puts salvation and all its blessings in us (Philippians 2:13), but we have to work it out.

The phrase “work out” was translated from the Greek verb “KATERGAZOMAI,” and according to Wuest’s Word Studies from the Greek New Testament, it means “‘to carry out to the goal, to carry to its ultimate conclusion.’ We say, ‘The student worked out a problem in arithmetic.’ That is, he carried the problem to its ultimate conclusion. This is the way it is used here. The Philippians are exhorted to carry their salvation to its ultimate conclusion, namely, Christlikeness. To become more Christ like.

Philippians 2:13 reveals there is a divine enablement that wills and is able to perform God’s bidding in our lives, but there is an effort on our part too. We have to work it out. This work needs to be understood in the light of the labor spoken of in Hebrews 4. We are to cease from trust in ourselves and rest in the Lord. That takes effort.

The Amplified Bible translates the last part of this verse as “work out (cultivate, carry out to the goal, and fully complete) your own salvation with reverence and awe and trembling (self-distrust, with serious caution, tenderness of conscience, watchfulness against temptation, timidly shrinking from whatever might offend God and discredit the name of Christ).”
lol and Christlikeness requires that we partner with the HS to accomplish the transformed life of the believer...isn't it funny how that is what I said above and you responded as you did...
 
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IOW's salvation is a free gift but once we are saved we work out our salvation by pursuing the things that God desires for us.

I apologize if I misunderstood you. Just so that I am clear about what you are saying, I take it as you are saying that, "yes, salvation is a free gift, but then you must pursue a godly life afterward?" And so is the pursuit of a godly life, or doing God's will, a way we can be secure in our salvation, or more secure in our salvation?
 
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I apologize if I misunderstood you. Just so that I am clear about what you are saying, I take it as you are saying that, "yes, salvation is a free gift, but then you must pursue a godly life afterward?" And so is the pursuit of a godly life, or doing God's will, a way we can be secure in our salvation, or more secure in our salvation?
half right, in fact, half is almost word for word what I said. the part you missed is about our security. Our security is in the HS who is our guarantee according to scripture. IOW"s when we see the working of the HS in our lives, a working that produces the fruit of the Spirit as listed in Gal. 5 as well as a growing in righteousness that is consistent with the new man or circumcised heart, then we have assurance of our salvation.
 
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half right, in fact, half is almost word for word what I said. the part you missed is about our security. Our security is in the HS who is our guarantee according to scripture. IOW"s when we see the working of the HS in our lives, a working that produces the fruit of the Spirit as listed in Gal. 5 as well as a growing in righteousness that is consistent with the new man or circumcised heart, then we have assurance of our salvation.

Ok, I am terribly sorry for the misunderstanding. I removed my replies. I agree with your statement as well.
 
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Ok, I am terribly sorry for the misunderstanding. I removed my replies. I agree with your statement as well.
it's all good, it is hard to not jump the gun when we talk to more people who are dull in understanding than those who are not.

What is your short answer to the OP ?
 
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it's all good, it is hard to not jump the gun when we talk to more people who are dull in understanding than those who are not.

What is your short answer to the OP ?

Yeah, I jumped the gun and totally mistook your meaning. I just need to remember to be slow to speak, and quick to listen (or in our case, read). My short answer was that my security falls on, or is in Christ alone.
 
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Yeah, I jumped the gun and totally mistook your meaning. I just need to remember to be slow to speak, and quick to listen (or in our case, read). My short answer was that my security falls on, or is in Christ alone.
:) I recently started a thread about learning to listen. In fact, I am currently studying listening in scripture. There are over 1000 passages that talk about listening and yet we ALL fail to listen as we should.

I think you are right to say that our security is in Christ alone but as I read the OP it seemed to me the question was how can we know we are secure which is why I went with the HS who is our guarantee.

In fact, your answer makes me wonder what question the OP intended. Interesting, very interesting. Thanks
 
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Oh, I answered the how can we know we are secure, and I pretty much said that is all comes to believing/trusting in the word of God. It's one thing to know what the Bible says, but it's another thing to actually believe it. So if someone struggles to believe in the promises of God (such as the promise of salvation), then they can never really be secure about anything. Like how God promises to be our provider. If we struggle with believing that, then we will never really feel secure that he'll take care of us in our times of need.
 
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:) I recently started a thread about learning to listen. In fact, I am currently studying listening in scripture. There are over 1000 passages that talk about listening and yet we ALL fail to listen as we should.
Thanks

Would you mind linking the thread for me please :)
 
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Oh, I answered the how can we know we are secure, and I pretty much said that is all comes to believing/trusting in the word of God. It's one thing to know what the Bible says, but it's another thing to actually believe it. So if someone struggles to believe in the promises of God (such as the promise of salvation), then they can never really be secure about anything. Like how God promises to be our provider. If we struggle with believing that, then we will never really feel secure that he'll take care of us in our times of need.
amen and yet we spend our whole lives learning to fully trust in God and His promises and never quite master it while in the flesh.
 
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To say that no can sin and say that we are saved, but that we must now live a sinless/holy life in order to say in relationship with God is not a relationship based on faith, but of one of works.
Like you, I don't believe that anyone can be sinless but we can be blameless by confessing our sins. Regarding being holy, that is a command from God (1 Pet. 1:16) and is acheived simply by following the Spirit and confessing our sins.

That puts the burden of salvation (or the security of your salvation) back onto our shoulder, and that's wrong.
The burden of repenting and remaining in Jesus is squarely on our shoulders. In Luke 13:3 Jesus commanded continuing repentance and belief.

Look at James 4:17: Therefore, to him who knows to do good and does not do it, to him it is sin."
Amen, saved souls will do good works.

So in other words, if you are in fear, if you are in doubt, if you are worrying about something, if you are in unbelief, you therefore are in sin.
Fear, doubt and worry are not in any sin list in the Bible. Of course unbelief will result in condemnation as John 3:36 says.

So I write all that so say that, in a way, it's almost impossible not to live a life in sin; that we sin without even realizing it. so therefore if we couldn't be "in christ," and in sin at the same time, then none of us would ever be "in Christ" because none of us live a sinless life.
Amen, no one can be sinless but through confession our sins are forgiven and we are holy and blameless. See Eph. 1:4

So to God, there is no such thing as a big or little sin - there is just sin.
Amen.

Yes, 1 John 1:9 tells us that if confess our sins he is faithful to forgive us of our unrighteousness, but that has nothing to do with our salvation or relationship with God.
If we don't confess our sin and receive forgiveness, we will be condemned as Rom. 6:23 says that the wages of sin is death.

Look closely at Rom. 6:22-23. Vs.22 says that we can be set free from sin and slaves to God and the benefit of this is holiness which results in eternal life. v.23 then tells us that the wages of sin is death. So holiness results in eternal life while continuing in sin results in death.[/QUOTE]
God bless,
Mick
 
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What can make us secure in our Salvation...? More sure...?

What can we base security in our salvation on...?

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Peace,

God Bless!

Being secure relates to feeling and knowledge.
Salvation in Jesus name is certain.
The world brings uncertainties.
Our faith need a dear friend, it's knowledge of how does the salvation work. But there're a lot of distractions to getting the knowledge, even it could come from within the Bible and the doctrines.
 
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