Is it bibical to say Jewish means related to the ancient Hebrews?

Because the ethnicity is linked with religion it is always a bit hard to define.

There are those born Jewish who are not religious at all but still practice certain 'Jewish' things in an cultural tradition way.

Then there are those who convert to Judaism and then are considered Jews as they are schooled in basically the religion.


The word 'Hebrew', comes from the meaning of one who has crossed over (the river). The first being considered is Abraham. He is from the line of Heber and that is the root of the word Hebrew.

According to YHWH'S PERFECT WORD, a man receives praise from YHWH when >>>

Study Bible (ROMANS 2)
The Jews and the Law
…A man is not a Jew because he is one outwardly, nor is circumcision only outward and physical.

No, a man is a Jew because he is one inwardly, and circumcision is a matter of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the written code.
Such a man’s praise does not come from men, but from God.
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oops - just noticed this is in the MJ section. move or delete this if it is wrong. thx.

Superhero Sam said:

Is it fair to say Christians are Jews since we believe in the OT too, believe in the Messiah of Israel, and sometimes even celebrate Jewish holidays?

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If you ask in another section/ thread I can answer this, maybe; YHWH Willing.

Superhero Sam said:

Why not here? Was it against the rules?

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That discussion is only allowed in the Messianic folder

Superhero Sam said:

Folder? what rule?

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Superhero Sam said:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jews
Or is that an oversimplification? Being any other group isn't complicated like this. Is cultural and ethnic different in this context?
Who is a Jew? - Wikipedia

People say they are Jews but never Hebrew.

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We are simply in a time when the word "Y'hudi/Jew" has gained popularity. If you do some research, you will find that "Ivrit/Hebrew" was far more popular in the first half of the 20th century.

The confusion stems from the fact that, for all other national identities, the key characteristics of people/land/language (and often religion) are unified. Judaism, however, has lived in diaspora for over 2,000 years. The people are scattered among the nations, many no longer speak Hebrew, and the homeland of Israel is merely a faraway fond wish for most.

There is no mystery. Hebrew = Jew = Israel. The three terms are synonymous.

mishkan said:

There is no mystery. Hebrew = Jew = Israel. The three terms are synonymous.

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Ah... I love the mystery though...
Who is able to see it out in the market place, or in church, or synagogue, or anywhere ?
EXB
A person is a Jew only if he is a Jew ·inside [inwardly]; true circumcision is done in the heart by the Spirit, not by the written law. Such a person gets praise from God rather than from people.

Romans 2:29
KJ21
But he is a Jew who is one inwardly, and whose circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit and not in the letter, and whose praise is not from men, but from God.
ASV
but he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
AMP
But he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and [true] circumcision is circumcision of the heart, by the Spirit, not by [the fulfillment of] the letter [of the Law]. His praise is not from men, but from God.
AMPC
But he is a Jew who is one inwardly, and [true] circumcision is of the heart, a spiritual and not a literal [matter]. His praise is not from men but from God.
BRG
But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the Spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
CSB
On the contrary, a person is a Jew who is one inwardly, and circumcision is of the heart—by the Spirit, not the letter. That person’s praise is not from people but from God.
CEB
Instead, it is the person who is a Jew inside, who is circumcised in spirit, not literally. That person’s praise doesn’t come from people but from God.
CJB
On the contrary, the real Jew is one inwardly; and true circumcision is of the heart, spiritual not literal; so that his praise comes not from other people but from God.
CEV
To be a real Jew you must obey the Law. True circumcision is something that happens deep in your heart, not something done to your body. And besides, you should want praise from God and not from humans.

yeshuaslavejeff said:

Ah... I love the mystery though...
Who is able to see it out in the market place, or in church, or synagogue, or anywhere ?
EXB
A person is a Jew only if he is a Jew ·inside [inwardly]; true circumcision is done in the heart by the Spirit, not by the written law. Such a person gets praise from God rather than from people.

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Not sure what you think you are proving.

mishkan said:

Not sure what you think you are proving.

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As someone is walking down the street, or through the market place, in a grocery store, or even in a place of assembly,

can they point to one after another and identify who has a circumcised heart ?!

I call that a mystery ..... (hidden, unknown)

Superhero Sam said:

People say they are Jews but never Hebrew.

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Yes, Hebrews = Israelites = Jews.

The only difference is what time period you are talking about -- different times used different language. From Abraham to the Exodus we were called Hebrews. From the Exodus to the Northern and Southern Kingdoms we were called Israelites. From the Babylonian Captivity to the present we are called Jews.

The only other thing that needs to be mentioned is that sometimes someone converts, which means they are adopted into the People. This means they too are a Hebrew/Israelite/Jew.