The Gospel of Jesus the Christ

Ron Gurley · Apr 9, 2017

Q: He suffered when He lamented over Jerusalem's killing of the prophets. Can you think of another example?

A: Read the trials and crucifixion of the innocent and Holy Jesus, theDivine Messiah, Son of God, Son of Man.

Matthew 27:33 [ The Crucifixion ] And when they came to a place called Golgotha, which means Place of a Skull,

Mark 15:22[ The Crucifixion ] Then they brought Him to the place Golgotha, which is translated, Place of a Skull.

Luke 23:33 The Crucifixion ] When they came to the place called The Skull, there they crucified Him and the criminals, one on the right and the other on the left.
John 19:16 The Crucifixion ] So he then handed Him over to them to be crucified.

Flogged, beaten, crown of thorns, carried Cross, ...after multiple illegal trial.

Hebrews 5:8
Although He was a Son, He learned obedience from the things which He suffered.

Hebrews 13:12
Therefore Jesus also, that He might sanctify the people through His own blood, suffered outside the gate.

1 Peter 2:21[ Christ Is Our Example ]
For you have been called for this purpose, since Christ also suffered for you, leaving you an example for you to follow in His steps,

Ron Gurley · Apr 9, 2017

Mark 8:31
And He began to teach them that the Son of Man must suffer many things and be rejected by the elders and the chief priests and the scribes, and be killed, and after three days rise again.

Mark 9:31
For He was teaching His disciples and telling them, “The Son of Man is to be delivered into the hands of men, and they will kill Him; and when He has been killed, He will rise three days later.”

Mark 10:34
They will mock Him and spit on Him, and scourge Him and kill Him, and three days later He will rise again.”

Luke 18:33
and after they have scourged Him, they will kill Him; and the third day He will rise again.”

QuikSand · Apr 9, 2017

Ron Gurley said:
PERFECT means MATURE??

Then what does MATURE mean?
You should stop trying
to manipulate the meaning of words
to fit the mold of what you want to believe.
It does not save you.

Perfect means without flaw or error.

Open Heart · Apr 9, 2017

Tangible said:
Like when my wife was pregnant, but not totally pregnant?

Oh brother. Some things are on a spectrum, some things are not.

Open Heart · Apr 9, 2017

Standing Up said:
What's wrong with "totally depraved"

The difference between shadow and pitch black.

QuikSand · Apr 9, 2017

Open Heart said:
Oh brother. Some things are on a spectrum, some things are not.

What is the ...
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Ron Gurley · Apr 9, 2017

MATURE: Dictionary: having reached an advanced stage of mental or emotional (AND SPIRITUAL!) development characteristic of an adult.

Matthew 5:48
Therefore you are to be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.

Colossians 4:12...that you may stand perfect and fully assured in all the will of God.

Romans 12:2
And do not be conformed to this world,
but be transformed by the renewing of your mind,
so that you may prove what the will of God is,
that which is good and acceptable and perfect.

perfect ...Greek 5046...teleios...signifies "having reached its end" (telos), "finished, complete; with ethical import, "fully grown, mature,"

Historically, there has been only ONE "Man" who has been spiritually "perfect": Jesus the Christ!

QuikSand · Apr 9, 2017

Ron Gurley said:
MATURE: Dictionary: having reached an advanced stage of mental or emotional (AND SPIRITUAL!) development characteristic of an adult.

Matthew 5:48
Therefore you are to be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.

Colossians 4:12...that you may stand perfect and fully assured in all the will of God.

Romans 12:2
And do not be conformed to this world,
but be transformed by the renewing of your mind,
so that you may prove what the will of God is,
that which is good and acceptable and perfect.

perfect ...Greek 5046...teleios...signifies "having reached its end" (telos), "finished, complete; with ethical import, "fully grown, mature,"

Historically, there has been only ONE "Man" who has been spiritually "perfect": Jesus the Christ!

You are in denial.
I cannot reason with anyone in denial of the truth.

You deny that perfect is without flaw or error.

Ron Gurley · Apr 9, 2017

Q: You deny that "perfect" is (Means): "without flaw or error".
A: I assert and have proven with Scripture that YOUR definition of "perfect" is in error. Greek and context in the Bible prove my definition is correct....~=MATURE.

Matthew 7:6...Jesus: Sermon on the Mount
“Do not give what is holy to dogs, and do not throw your pearls before swine, or they will trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces.

QuikSand · Apr 9, 2017

Ron Gurley said:
Q: You deny that "perfect" is (Means): "without flaw or error".
A: I assert and have proven with Scripture that YOUR definition of "perfect" is in error. Greek and context in the Bible prove my definition is correct....~=MATURE.

Matthew 7:6...Jesus: Sermon on the Mount
“Do not give what is holy to dogs, and do not throw your pearls before swine, or they will trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces.

Nah ...you have not proven anything.

Except that I am correct about you.

Ron Gurley · Apr 9, 2017

OOO...GETTING PERSONAL Mr. QuikSand??

2 Corinthians 4:4
in whose case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelieving so that they might not see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.

QuikSand · Apr 9, 2017

Ron Gurley said:
OOO...GETTING PERSONAL Mr. QuikSand??

2 Corinthians 4:4
in whose case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelieving so that they might not see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.

Is this verse perfect?

Yes or no?

QuikSand · Apr 9, 2017

So much for your perfect theory
of maturity.

Ron Gurley · Apr 9, 2017

It is impossible to answer your loaded hypotheticals. Generally here is what the Bible says about itself:

2 Timothy 3: 14-17...All Scripture is God-breathed(inspired/superintended)
14 But as for you, continue in what you have learned and have become convinced of,
because you know those from whom you learned it,
15 and how from infancy you have known the holy Scriptures,
which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus.
16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,
17 so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.

John 20:30-31 (NIV); 21:25...that you may BELIEVE...the historical BOOKS!
30 Jesus did many other miraculous signs in the presence of his disciples, which are not recorded in this book.
31 But these are written that you may BELIEVE that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God,
and that by believing you may have life in his name.

21:25 Jesus did many other things as well.
If every one of them were written down,
I suppose that even the whole world would not have room
for the books that would be written.

2 Peter 1: 19-21...Bible "produced" by Men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God.
So we have the prophetic WORD (Scripture) made more sure,
to which you do well to pay attention as to a lamp shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star arises in your hearts. But know this first of all, that
no prophecy of Scripture is a matter of one’s own interpretation,
for no prophecy was ever made by an act of human will, but
men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God.

Luke 24:27, 32, 44-45...the post resurrection super BIBLE study...He opened their minds to understand the Scriptures
he (Jesus) explained to them (2 Emmaus followers) what was said in all the Scriptures concerning Himself.
They said to one another,
"Were not our hearts burning within us (Holy Spirit?) while He was speaking to us on the road,
while He (Jesus) was explaining the Scriptures to us?"

(...at the "fish fry" to His followers)

Now He said to them,
"These are My words which I spoke to you while I was still with you, that all things which are written about Me in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms must be fulfilled."
Then He opened their minds to understand the Scriptures,

Perhaps the "author" of the Bible (God the Holy Spirit) should guide believers in the true interpretation of Scripture.

QuikSand · Apr 9, 2017

Ron Gurley said:
It is impossible to answer your loaded hypotheticals. Generally here is what the Bible says about itself:

2 Timothy 3: 14-17...All Scripture is God-breathed(inspired/superintended)
14 But as for you, continue in what you have learned and have become convinced of,
because you know those from whom you learned it,
15 and how from infancy you have known the holy Scriptures,
which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus.
16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,
17 so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.

John 20:30-31 (NIV); 21:25...that you may BELIEVE...the historical BOOKS!
30 Jesus did many other miraculous signs in the presence of his disciples, which are not recorded in this book.
31 But these are written that you may BELIEVE that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God,
and that by believing you may have life in his name.

21:25 Jesus did many other things as well.
If every one of them were written down,
I suppose that even the whole world would not have room
for the books that would be written.

2 Peter 1: 19-21...Bible "produced" by Men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God.
So we have the prophetic WORD (Scripture) made more sure,
to which you do well to pay attention as to a lamp shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star arises in your hearts. But know this first of all, that
no prophecy of Scripture is a matter of one’s own interpretation,
for no prophecy was ever made by an act of human will, but
men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God.

Luke 24:27, 32, 44-45...the post resurrection super BIBLE study...He opened their minds to understand the Scriptures
he (Jesus) explained to them (2 Emmaus followers) what was said in all the Scriptures concerning Himself.
They said to one another,
"Were not our hearts burning within us (Holy Spirit?) while He was speaking to us on the road,
while He (Jesus) was explaining the Scriptures to us?"

(...at the "fish fry" to His followers)

Now He said to them,
"These are My words which I spoke to you while I was still with you, that all things which are written about Me in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms must be fulfilled."
Then He opened their minds to understand the Scriptures,

Perhaps the "author" of the Bible (God the Holy Spirit) should guide believers in the true interpretation of Scripture.

Even if you post the whole bible it will not make you right. Because you are wrong. Even if you deny it and post the whole bible and claim otherwise.

Ron Gurley · Apr 9, 2017

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Open Heart · Apr 9, 2017

Ron Gurley said:
MATURE: Dictionary: having reached an advanced stage of mental or emotional (AND SPIRITUAL!) development characteristic of an adult.

Right. And one can be mature and imperfect.

Open Heart · Apr 9, 2017

Ron Gurley said:
perfect ...Greek 5046...teleios...signifies "having reached its end" (telos), "finished, complete; with ethical import, "fully grown, mature,"

Yes, teleos means perfect (having no flaw), specifically it means complete in christian character.

QuikSand · Apr 9, 2017

Open Heart said:
Yes, teleos means perfect (having no flaw), specifically it means complete in christian character.

Is your character teleos
meaning perfect (having no flaw)?

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