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Sorry, not her blood. God's blood. Google is your friend on this issue. When you research the facts about source of baby blood, then get back with us.
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We are born with the effect of Adam's sin. We are born spiritually dead. Via our father's blood that traces back to Adam.
PS. Do you believe Jesus Christ is the Son of God?
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However, if normal human genetics apply, half the DNA was hers.
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No one is born spiritually dead. Everyone is born into this world of sin...even Jesus. Yes, I believe Jesus Christ is the Son of God[/QUOTE]
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Romans 7
For we know that the law is spiritual, but I am of the flesh, sold under sin. For I do not understand my own actions. For I do not do what I want, but I do the very thing I hate. Now if I do what I do not want, I agree with the law, that it is good. So now it is no longer I who do it, but Sin that dwells within me. For I know that nothing good dwells in me, that is, in my flesh. For I have the desire to do what is right, but not the ability to carry it out. For I do not do the good I want, but the evil I do not want is what I keep on doing. Now if I do what I do not want, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells within me.
So I find it to be a law that when I want to do right, evil lies close at hand. For I delight in the law of God, in my inner being, but I see in my members another law waging war against the law of my mind and making me captive to the law of sin that dwells in my members. Wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death? Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, I myself serve the law of God with my mind, but with my flesh I serve the law of sin.
For we know that the law is spiritual, but I am of the flesh, sold under sin. For I do not understand my own actions. For I do not do what I want, but I do the very thing I hate. Now if I do what I do not want, I agree with the law, that it is good. So now it is no longer I who do it, but Sin that dwells within me. For I know that nothing good dwells in me, that is, in my flesh. For I have the desire to do what is right, but not the ability to carry it out. For I do not do the good I want, but the evil I do not want is what I keep on doing. Now if I do what I do not want, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells within me.
So I find it to be a law that when I want to do right, evil lies close at hand. For I delight in the law of God, in my inner being, but I see in my members another law waging war against the law of my mind and making me captive to the law of sin that dwells in my members. Wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death? Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, I myself serve the law of God with my mind, but with my flesh I serve the law of sin.
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We are born with the stain of original sin. But it is ALSO TRUE that we are in the image of God. Thus, we are depraved, but NOT totally depraved.
Yes, Jesus Christ is the Son of God. More than that, he is God the Son. Would you agree?
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What's wrong with "totally depraved"? Examples in the bible are God sparks the turn, opens the heart (Lydia, guards, Cornelius, 3,000 Jews, etc).
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Christ born into a world of sin is not to say Christ had sin (disobeyed God's commandments).
Anything else?
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You're speaking of David?
If not, are you implying Christ was "in sin" or "had sin" or "was part of fallen man"? Could you explore this further if that's your point?
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Hebrews 5:8 Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;
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To suffer is not to sin.
He learned obedience to not to say He sinned while learning.
Or do you think my Passover Lamb had a defect of some sort?
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He suffered when He lamented over Jerusalem's killing of the prophets. Can you think of another example?
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PERFECT means MATURE??
Luke 13:32 (NASB) Jesus’ Sorrow for Jerusalem
31 At that time some Pharisees came to Jesus and said to him, “Leave this place and go
somewhere else. Herod wants to kill you.”
32 He replied, “Go tell that fox, ‘I will keep on driving out demons and healing people today and tomorrow, and on the third day (resurrection!) I will reach my goal.’ 33 In any case, I must
press on today and tomorrow and the next day—for surely no prophet can die outside Jerusalem!
34 “Jerusalem, Jerusalem, (ISRAEL?) you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her
wings, and you were not willing. 35 Look, your house is left to you desolate. I tell you,
you will not see me again until you say,
‘Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.’”
Perfect in the Greek means: MATURE!
Jesus the Divine Messiah, The Christ, The Son of God, from conception to ascension, was:
SINLESS...without sin. He gave us, His believing saved disciples, the PERFECT example to follow.
Hebrews 4:15
For we do not have a high priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but One who has been tempted in all things as we are, yet without sin. (always in God's will!)
Hebrews 9:28
so Christ also,
having been offered once to bear the sins of many,
will appear a second time (SECOND COMING!) for salvation without reference to sin,
to those (believers) who eagerly await Him.
1 Peter 2:21[ Christ Is Our Example ]
For you have been called for this purpose,
since Christ also suffered for you,
leaving you an example for you to follow in His steps,
KEYS: BELIEVE (JOHN 3;Ephesians 2...THEN...FOLLOW (Mark 8)...THEN ... OBEY (John 3:36; John 14:15,21)
Mark 8 (NASB)
34 And He summoned the crowd with His disciples, and said to them,
“If anyone wishes to come after (FOLLOW) Me, he must (OBEY by
deny himself, (put all first) and
take up his cross (sacrifice SELF!) and
follow Me. (keep His precepts, imitate Jesus' life)
35 For whoever wishes to save his (body/soul) life will lose it,
but whoever loses his (body/soul) life for My sake and the gospel’s will (spiritually) save it. 36 For what does it profit a man to gain the whole world, and forfeit his soul (spirit)?
37 For what will a man give in exchange for his soul? (spirit)?
38 For whoever is ashamed of Me and My words in this adulterous and sinful generation,
the Son of Man will also be ashamed of him when He comes
in the glory of His Father with the holy angels.”...SEE: 1 Thess. 4 !
John 3:36...John the Baptizer
He who believes in the Son has eternal life;
but he who does not obey the Son will not see life,
but the wrath of God abides on him.”
John 14:15,21
“If you love Me, you will keep My commandments....
He who has My commandments and keeps them is the one who loves Me;
and he who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and
I will love him and will disclose Myself to him.”
John 15:10
If you keep My commandments, you will ABIDE (dwell) in My love; just as I have kept My Father’s commandments and abide in His love.
Hebrews 5:9
And having been made perfect, He (Jesus)
became to all those who obey Him the source of eternal salvation,
Luke 13:32 (NASB) Jesus’ Sorrow for Jerusalem
31 At that time some Pharisees came to Jesus and said to him, “Leave this place and go
somewhere else. Herod wants to kill you.”
32 He replied, “Go tell that fox, ‘I will keep on driving out demons and healing people today and tomorrow, and on the third day (resurrection!) I will reach my goal.’ 33 In any case, I must
press on today and tomorrow and the next day—for surely no prophet can die outside Jerusalem!
34 “Jerusalem, Jerusalem, (ISRAEL?) you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her
wings, and you were not willing. 35 Look, your house is left to you desolate. I tell you,
you will not see me again until you say,
‘Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.’”
Perfect in the Greek means: MATURE!
Jesus the Divine Messiah, The Christ, The Son of God, from conception to ascension, was:
SINLESS...without sin. He gave us, His believing saved disciples, the PERFECT example to follow.
Hebrews 4:15
For we do not have a high priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but One who has been tempted in all things as we are, yet without sin. (always in God's will!)
Hebrews 9:28
so Christ also,
having been offered once to bear the sins of many,
will appear a second time (SECOND COMING!) for salvation without reference to sin,
to those (believers) who eagerly await Him.
1 Peter 2:21[ Christ Is Our Example ]
For you have been called for this purpose,
since Christ also suffered for you,
leaving you an example for you to follow in His steps,
KEYS: BELIEVE (JOHN 3;Ephesians 2...THEN...FOLLOW (Mark 8)...THEN ... OBEY (John 3:36; John 14:15,21)
Mark 8 (NASB)
34 And He summoned the crowd with His disciples, and said to them,
“If anyone wishes to come after (FOLLOW) Me, he must (OBEY by
deny himself, (put all first) and
take up his cross (sacrifice SELF!) and
follow Me. (keep His precepts, imitate Jesus' life)
35 For whoever wishes to save his (body/soul) life will lose it,
but whoever loses his (body/soul) life for My sake and the gospel’s will (spiritually) save it. 36 For what does it profit a man to gain the whole world, and forfeit his soul (spirit)?
37 For what will a man give in exchange for his soul? (spirit)?
38 For whoever is ashamed of Me and My words in this adulterous and sinful generation,
the Son of Man will also be ashamed of him when He comes
in the glory of His Father with the holy angels.”...SEE: 1 Thess. 4 !
John 3:36...John the Baptizer
He who believes in the Son has eternal life;
but he who does not obey the Son will not see life,
but the wrath of God abides on him.”
John 14:15,21
“If you love Me, you will keep My commandments....
He who has My commandments and keeps them is the one who loves Me;
and he who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and
I will love him and will disclose Myself to him.”
John 15:10
If you keep My commandments, you will ABIDE (dwell) in My love; just as I have kept My Father’s commandments and abide in His love.
Hebrews 5:9
And having been made perfect, He (Jesus)
became to all those who obey Him the source of eternal salvation,
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