My encounter with an Angel? or Demon?

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One of the things in my experience with angels is that they work and serve only one master and that's God. What they look like is subjective. The spiritual realm is something we can not truly see yet. You said black and white. Lucifer (meaning light) was once an angel. I mean he was the ANGEL. Number one beautiful being. So these color associations don't matter. Darkness does not mean demon nor does light. I believe God gives angels a purpose and that's to do His will for good. Looks like God's will was to let you live. Praise be!
 
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There is no instance in the NT where "exorcism" of a demon results in injury, or death of the individual possessed.
Yes there was. The sons of sceva didn't do such s good job because they themselves were not under the protection of THE NAME above all names
 
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Hi. I hope this is in the correct category. I need your opinions on something. Several years ago, when I was in high school I took a swim class, which was required at the time for everyone. I didn't know how to swim, so I stuck to the shallow end. When I was moving around, I noticed I didn't feel heavy at all. I looked around and saw everyone was staring at something in the deep end. It was me floating face down. Someone had been goofing around and knocked me in. I had hit my head on the way in the pool.

Then I saw two spirits come out of some kind of portal. One had a white like aura (but not brilliant) the other had a black aura (but not too dark). The lighter spirit claimed he was an angel. He said he didn't know who the other guy was (who didn't reveal himself). He tried to convince me to get back in my body. Maybe I would have a chance to survive this way. I told them I couldn't swim. They didn't seem too concerned. This was before I was officially a christian. I believed in God at the time, but wasn't officially saved. One of them said I was going to hell anyway, so what difference did it make if I lived or not. The other simply shrugged. I was so upset by this guy I tried to leave, he stopped me. This is the only time he interacted with me. The so called angel didn't seem to care if I lived or if I was going to hell. This upset me a great deal. I suggested someone jump in and save me. The one with the dark aura acted like that was a great idea and laughed. He whispered something to someone who finally jumped in and gave me CPR. I didn't remember this for a few weeks after. (maybe cause I had hit my head).

To this day I don't know if I encountered angels, demons or what. It couldn't have been a hallucination from my head blow, cause it was too vivid. I was wondering what you all think? This has bothered me since it happened. Do angels just not care like we thought? If I had been saved, would I have mattered more? Was I deceived? Where was God in all of this?

Delusion can be told apart by two basic factors. First is continuity. Second is the zoom in details. These two factors are usually overlooked by researchers. Researchers usually emphasize how real an alternative reality is encountered. That's not the point. The point is rather how continuous it is when you are transferred from this reality to another. A dream or a delusion is usually that "you are suddenly there". There's no detail about the step by step process of how you are brought from where you are to the alternative reality.

If you saw 2 angels for real, you should be able to describe their outfits in details, such as what color what style what material and etc. Can you look further into these details such as what hair color they have, or what material could possible make up their hair. Lack of details of this kind may signifies a possible delusion.

Science may provide a general explanation about what could possibly happen. However, bear in mind that it's just a generalization holding possible the truth of 90% cases. Science of this kind (any form of studying brain activities and delusions) can draw a 100% conclusion.

Moreover, at the point of occurrence no one tagged any equipment to your body to measure your blood pressure or precisely prove, say the lack of air inside your brain. So even they can provide an explanation which fits for 90% of the total cases, it won't rule out any possibility that your encounter is a real one.

That said. If your head was hit there could be two possibilities as I can see. First, it's a delusion, if so it leaves not much to talk about. Second it's not a delusion. An encounter of this kind can occur at the moment when one's soul is not completely bound by your body. This can be born with (someone can be gifted to see ghosts often), or when you have a health issue, in your case that your head may be hit or you may be drawn. The evil spirits would take that chance to establish a "communication" with you when it happened that they were around and noticed that your soul is communicable. In that case, the images you saw may be a result of them manifesting something on your just for fun. They could be angels or demons only when you can describe into details what outfits, hair and so on they had.

John in the case of revelation, was lying on the ground. He's not going into another reality and see things. He's conscious and remained in the same position when he saw what was shown. Similarly, Paul couldn't even tell he's in this reality and another dimension at the same time. Again, he's not flying in another planet. Instead, he's conscious in this reality while being shown things in another. That lies the difference.
 
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Delusion can be told apart by two basic factors. First is continuity. Second is the zoom in details. These two factors are usually overlooked by researchers. Researchers usually emphasize how real an alternative reality is encountered. That's not the point. The point is rather how continuous it is when you are transferred from this reality to another. A dream or a delusion is usually that "you are suddenly there". There's no detail about the step by step process of how you are brought from where you are to the alternative reality.

If you saw 2 angels for real, you should be able to describe their outfits in details, such as what color what style what material and etc. Can you look further into these details such as what hair color they have, or what material could possible make up their hair. Lack of details of this kind may signifies a possible delusion.

Science may provide a general explanation about what could possibly happen. However, bear in mind that it's just a generalization holding possible the truth of 90% cases. Science of this kind (any form of studying brain activities and delusions) can draw a 100% conclusion.

Moreover, at the point of occurrence no one tagged any equipment to your body to measure your blood pressure or precisely prove, say the lack of air inside your brain. So even they can provide an explanation which fits for 90% of the total cases, it won't rule out any possibility that your encounter is a real one.

That said. If your head was hit there could be two possibilities as I can see. First, it's a delusion, if so it leaves not much to talk about. Second it's not a delusion. An encounter of this kind can occur at the moment when one's soul is not completely bound by your body. This can be born with (someone can be gifted to see ghosts often), or when you have a health issue, in your case that your head may be hit or you may be drawn. The evil spirits would take that chance to establish a "communication" with you when it happened that they were around and noticed that your soul is communicable. In that case, the images you saw may be a result of them manifesting something on your just for fun. They could be angels or demons only when you can describe into details what outfits, hair and so on they had.

John in the case of revelation, was lying on the ground. He's not going into another reality and see things. He's conscious and remained in the same position when he saw what was shown. Similarly, Paul couldn't even tell he's in this reality and another dimension at the same time. Again, he's not flying in another planet. Instead, he's conscious in this reality while being shown things in another. That lies the difference.
"Come up here and I will show you what must come"

John wasn't lying down
And even if he was, he was told to come up here

"I know a man who was taken up to the third Heaven. Whether in the body or in the spirit I do not know...GOD knows"

I think both knew exactly what they were saying and what they were seeing and from what perspective
 
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Ah. padre pio belonged to CHRIST. All the saints know it

Does this sound bibical?

Infallible Catholic: Padre Pio on Guardian Angels

"If the mission of our Guardian Angel is a great mission, the mission of mine is for sure greater than the others, because he has to be a teacher and explain to me other languages."

"The mission of my Guardian Angel includes explaining me other languages."

Padre Pio lived in close contact with his Guardian Angel, who taught him to translate letters in French and Greek. The Angel would keep Padre Pio up at night so that they could both chant God’s praises. Padre Pio’s Angel would also ease the pain that he suffered from beatings that he received from demons.
 
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One of the things in my experience with angels is that they work and serve only one master and that's God. What they look like is subjective. The spiritual realm is something we can not truly see yet. You said black and white. Lucifer (meaning light) was once an angel. I mean he was the ANGEL. Number one beautiful being. So these color associations don't matter. Darkness does not mean demon nor does light. I believe God gives angels a purpose and that's to do His will for good. Looks like God's will was to let you live. Praise be!


"Lucifer" was never an angel, just a name used meaning Morning Star (Pharaoh and Jesus were also called Morning Star) in a proverb addressed to a Babylonian king. Nothing more.
 
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"Lucifer" was never an angel, just a name used meaning Morning Star (Pharaoh and Jesus were also called Morning Star) in a proverb addressed to a Babylonian king. Nothing more.

Lucifer was a covering angel who was in the garden of GOD
He fell from Heaven like lightning

Hence...
Fallen angel
 
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"Lucifer" was never an angel, just a name used meaning Morning Star (Pharaoh and Jesus were also called Morning Star) in a proverb addressed to a Babylonian king. Nothing more.

People's names also had a meaning to them. In this case, the 'shining one', or 'morning star', or Lucifer, or Satan in the NT (meaning 'adversary') fell from heaven... as we know Satan did. Pharaohs and kings are earthly by birth even if their worshipers falsely believed them to be devine.
 
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People's names also had a meaning to them. In this case, the 'shining one', or 'morning star', or Lucifer, or Satan in the NT (meaning 'adversary') fell from heaven... as we know Satan did. Pharaohs and kings are earthly by birth even if their worshipers falsely believed them to be devine.


Where exactly does it say that Lucifer is Satan? The context clearly states "Lucifer" was just used to describe an arrogant Babylonian king. The whole "Satan fell from heaven" thing didn't even come about until the New Testament. In the Old his only appearance was where he was a prosecuting attorney toward God and Job, but nothing more than that.
 
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Where exactly does it say that Lucifer is Satan? The context clearly states "Lucifer" was just used to describe an arrogant Babylonian king. The whole "Satan fell from heaven" thing didn't even come about until the New Testament. In the Old his only appearance was where he was a prosecuting attorney toward God and Job, but nothing more than that.
Yet Isaiah 14 was already spoken

CHRIST, by identifying the "morning star" when HE said that HE saw satan fall from heaven like lightning should have clarified not only who HE IS , but who the "morning star" mentioned in Isaiah 14 is

And those who knew the WORD of GOD would have understood
 
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Yet Isaiah 14 was already spoken

CHRIST, by identifying the "morning star" when HE said that HE saw satan fall from heaven like lightning should have clarified not only who HE IS , but who the "morning star" mentioned in Isaiah 14 is

And those who knew the WORD of GOD would have understood

No, "Morning Star" was used as a term for anyone who was seen as being in a high position of power, including Pharaoh and Jesus, neither of whom were angels (well, Jesus was the Son of God, but not an angel). All Jesus said about Satan was "I saw Satan fall like lightening from heaven", and that was it. No indication that that was in reference to Isaiah 14 or anything like that. He didn't say "As written by Isaiah, I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven".

Isaiah 14:12-15 is what everyone has quoted as a whisper-down-the-lane thing who claim they know what it means because someone told them what it means and thus they have a preconceived notion in their heads. If you actually read the surrounding verses and not just verses 12-15 that are quoted so much and so misinformed that I'm getting tired of having to explain it but I'll do so anyway, you'll see. Banish the notion that Isaiah 14 is about Satan from your mind and read it as it is with no preconceived notion attached:

1 For the Lord will have mercy on Jacob, and will yet choose Israel, and set them in their own land: and the strangers shall be joined with them, and they shall cleave to the house of Jacob.

2 And the people shall take them, and bring them to their place: and the house of Israel shall possess them in the land of the Lord for servants and handmaids: and they shall take them captives, whose captives they were; and they shall rule over their oppressors.

3 And it shall come to pass in the day that the Lord shall give thee rest from thy sorrow, and from thy fear, and from the hard bondage wherein thou wast made to serve,

4 That thou shalt take up this proverb against the king of Babylon, and say, How hath the oppressor ceased! the golden city ceased!

5 The Lord hath broken the staff of the wicked, and the sceptre of the rulers.

6 He who smote the people in wrath with a continual stroke, he that ruled the nations in anger, is persecuted, and none hindereth.

7 The whole earth is at rest, and is quiet: they break forth into singing.

8 Yea, the fir trees rejoice at thee, and the cedars of Lebanon, saying, Since thou art laid down, no feller is come up against us.

9 Hell from beneath is moved for thee to meet thee at thy coming: it stirreth up the dead for thee, even all the chief ones of the earth; it hath raised up from their thrones all the kings of the nations.

10 All they shall speak and say unto thee, Art thou also become weak as we? art thou become like unto us?

11 Thy pomp is brought down to the grave, and the noise of thy viols: the worm is spread under thee, and the worms cover thee.

12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:

14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.

16 They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;

17 That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners?

18 All the kings of the nations, even all of them, lie in glory, every one in his own house.

19 But thou art cast out of thy grave like an abominable branch, and as the raiment of those that are slain, thrust through with a sword, that go down to the stones of the pit; as a carcase trodden under feet.

20 Thou shalt not be joined with them in burial, because thou hast destroyed thy land, and slain thy people: the seed of evildoers shall never be renowned.


If you actually read the verses and not just regurgitate the oft-quoted ones, it's clear that it was all a proverb taken up against a Babylonian king (and again, "Morning Star", another translation of "Lucifer" was used for anyone who had a high position, including Pharaoh and Jesus himself). The king was arrogant and saw him as being greater than everyone else, and mistreated his people, but he would soon be out of power and be seen as no more than the flawed arrogant human that he was.

"Lucifer" is just a proverb-title given to a king of Babylon. Not Satan. Not a fallen angel. Not a rebellious spirit. Nothing supernatural. Nothing more or less than an arrogant king who saw himself as greater than anyone else.
 
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No, "Morning Star" was used as a term for anyone who was seen as being in a high position of power, including Pharaoh and Jesus, neither of whom were angels (well, Jesus was the Son of God, but not an angel). All Jesus said about Satan was "I saw Satan fall like lightening from heaven", and that was it. No indication that that was in reference to Isaiah 14 or anything like that. He didn't say "As written by Isaiah, I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven".

Isaiah 14:12-15 is what everyone has quoted as a whisper-down-the-lane thing who claim they know what it means because someone told them what it means and thus they have a preconceived notion in their heads. If you actually read the surrounding verses and not just verses 12-15 that are quoted so much and so misinformed that I'm getting tired of having to explain it but I'll do so anyway, you'll see. Banish the notion that Isaiah 14 is about Satan from your mind and read it as it is with no preconceived notion attached:

1 For the Lord will have mercy on Jacob, and will yet choose Israel, and set them in their own land: and the strangers shall be joined with them, and they shall cleave to the house of Jacob.

2 And the people shall take them, and bring them to their place: and the house of Israel shall possess them in the land of the Lord for servants and handmaids: and they shall take them captives, whose captives they were; and they shall rule over their oppressors.

3 And it shall come to pass in the day that the Lord shall give thee rest from thy sorrow, and from thy fear, and from the hard bondage wherein thou wast made to serve,

4 That thou shalt take up this proverb against the king of Babylon, and say, How hath the oppressor ceased! the golden city ceased!
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If you actually read the verses and not just regurgitate the oft-quoted ones, it's clear that it was all a proverb taken up against a Babylonian king (and again, "Morning Star", another translation of "Lucifer" was used for anyone who had a high position, including Pharaoh and Jesus himself). The king was arrogant and saw him as being greater than everyone else, and mistreated his people, but he would soon be out of power and be seen as no more than the flawed arrogant human that he was.

"Lucifer" is just a proverb-title given to a king of Babylon. Not Satan. Not a fallen angel. Not a rebellious spirit. Nothing supernatural. Nothing more or less than an arrogant king who saw himself as greater than anyone else.

Well, maybe Ezekiel 28:11-19 will teach you something... a principle often used in scripture... the apparent subject is not the one actually being addressed. In the verses below, which are addressed, supposedly, directly to the King of Tyre, is not really talking about the king, but the evil entity empowering and controlling the king. Much of what is said could only be applied to any human in the most metaphorical way. Bold added to those texts for emphasis.
Bible Gateway passage: Ezekiel 28 - New King James Version
Lamentation for the King of Tyre

11 Moreover the word of the Lord came to me, saying, 12 “Son of man, take up a lamentation for the king of Tyre, and say to him, ‘Thus says the Lord God:

“You were the seal of perfection,
Full of wisdom and perfect in beauty.
13 You were in Eden, the garden of God;
Every precious stone was your covering:
The sardius, topaz, and diamond,
Beryl, onyx, and jasper,
Sapphire, turquoise, and emerald with gold.
The workmanship of your timbrels and pipes
Was prepared for you on the day you were created.

14 “You were the anointed cherub who covers;
I established you;
You were on the holy mountain of God;
You walked back and forth in the midst of fiery stones.

15 You were perfect in your ways from the day you were created,
Till iniquity was found in you.


16 “By the abundance of your trading
You became filled with violence within,
And you sinned;
Therefore I cast you as a profane thing
Out of the mountain of God;
And I destroyed you, O covering cherub,
From the midst of the fiery stones.


17 “Your heart was lifted up because of your beauty;
You corrupted your wisdom for the sake of your splendor;
I cast you to the ground,
I laid you before kings,
That they might gaze at you.

18 “You defiled your sanctuaries
By the multitude of your iniquities,
By the iniquity of your trading;
Therefore I brought fire from your midst;
It devoured you,
And I turned you to ashes upon the earth
In the sight of all who saw you.

19 All who knew you among the peoples are astonished at you;
You have become a horror,
And shall be no more forever.”’”

Again, sometimes (actually, fairly often) the technical subject of the verse, the King of Tyre in this case, is not the person or entity actually being addressed, but the power behind the person who is directly mentioned. Scripture often has more than one level it can be read on.

We see this principle done with idols:
BibleGateway - : Demon idols
Also,
1 Corinthians 10:18-20

The idols have no power at all, they are dead. It is the evil entities behind the idol that is actually worshiped and which has powers.
 
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Ah. padre pio belonged to CHRIST. All the saints know it

Speaking in tongues is not biblical.

How can necromancy be of God?

Padre Pio Paranormal Man | New Dawn : The World's Most Unusual Magazine

Raptures, ecstasies, often lasting hours, in which his senses were suspended, occurred frequently. We know of these from his letters3 and from observations of his spiritual directors such as Father Agostino4 who eavesdropped on the Padre’s conversations with invisible beings. These included Jesus, Mary, Francis of Assisi, and his guardian angel. One has to read Agostino’s Diary to get a sense of the intense reality of Padre Pio’s visionary encounters.
 
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Speaking in tongues is not biblical.
They spoke in tongues on the day of Pentecost. The corinthians spoke so much in tongues Paul and to restrain them. Your statement is unfounded.
 
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