Is the Great Tribulation impending ?

keras said:

Sorry, VS, your quote of Matthew 24:6 is quite different in my Bible. This is unacceptable and we will report you for posting false Bible verses.

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You're actually gonna report someone just for that? You're not suppose to report other Christians, especially for frivolous issues. 1 Corinthians 6:1-2.

You're suppose to work things out, but even better, to teach and education other Christians (1 Corinthians 14:26, 2 Corinthians 10:8, 1 Corinthians 14:3-5, Ephesians 4:11-16, Ephesians 4:29).

Keras, how many times have you gotten away promoting a CME apocalypse? Just tell her Matthew 24:6 is a mistake.









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Psalm3704 said:

It clearly indicates Christ coming in two stages, the first stage when He comes for the church before the wrath.

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No, only viewed thru pre-trib rapture glasses, is that made out. The normal reading is:...Jesus who rescues us from the coming wrath. Going to heaven isn't even hinted there and from other scriptures, we know the deliverance or rescue, is by protection and shelter.

Psalms 23:4 Even if I walk through a valley of darkness, I will fear no harm, for You are with me.
Isaiah 41:3 For I the Lord, will hold your right hand, saying: fear not, I will help you.
Zephaniah 2:3 Seek the Lord, all you who obey Him, it may be that you will be sheltered on the Day of the Lord’s anger.
Proverbs 3:25 Do not be afraid when fools are frightened or when destruction overtakes the wicked, for the Lord will be at your side on that Day.
Isaiah 43:2 You will walk through fire and not be scorched, through flames, they will not burn you. Daniel 3:25, Jeremiah 30:4-11
1 Corinthians 10:13.... God will not test you beyond your powers and when the test comes, He will provide a way out to enable you to endure.
Psalms 9:10 The Lord does not abandon those who seek Him and trust in Him.
2 Peter 2:9 God knows how to rescue the godly from their trials.
Psalms 18:3 I shall call upon the Lord, then I will be made safe.
Psalms 31:23-24 The Lord protects the faithful. Be strong, all you whose hope is in the Lord.
Psalms 64:10 The righteous rejoice, their refuge in the Lord.
Zechariah 9:15-16 The Lord of hosts will protect His people...On that Day, He will save them, like a flock, for they are precious to Him. Isaiah 61:10
Psalms 37:18-19 The Lord watches over the righteous, when times are bad, they will not be distressed.
Job 22:30 He will deliver the innocent, because their hands are pure.
Psalms 91:1-16 ...He will rescue you, you will not fear the terrors abroad.
Psalms 121:1-8 Our help comes from the Lord, He will guard your life.
Psalms 109:31 The Lord stands at the right hand of the poor and saves them from trials.
Isaiah 51:16 I keep you covered under the shelter of My hand.
Psalms 97:10-12 He keeps His loyal servants safe and rescues them from the wicked.
Jeremiah 17:7-8 Blessed is anyone who trusts in the Lord, they will be like trees by a stream, when the heat comes it has nothing to fear.
Nahum 1:7 The Lord is a sure protection in times of trouble and cares for all those who make Him their refuge.
Psalms 60:4-5 To those who fear the Lord, He will show the way to escape from trouble.
Psalms 37:9 For evildoers will be destroyed, those who trust in the Lord will prosper in the Land.
Isaiah 26:20 On that Day, I will come to your aid.
Daniel 12:1 There will be a time of anguish, but at that time, Your people will be delivered, all those whose names are written in the Book of Life.
2 Thessalonians 1:7 ...to give you relief when the Lord Jesus comes in blazing fire.
Joel 3:16 The Lord roars from Zion, the heavens and the earth shudder, but He is a refuge for His people and a defence for Israel.
Isaiah 65:9b My chosen ones will take possession of the land, those who serve Me will live there.
Ecclesiasticus 34:13-17 Those who fear the Lord will live, for their trust in Him can keep them safe. The Lord keeps watch over those who love Him, He is their shield and support, a shelter from the scorching wind and the heat of the sun. He raises their spirits and gives healing, life and blessings.

Psalm3704 said:

Keras, how many times have you gotten away promoting a CME apocalypse? Just tell her Matthew 24:6 is a mistake.

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I didn't report her, just warned I would for such infringements.
Re a CME sun explosion at the Sixth Seal. This will happen, it is the only thing that will literally fulfil all the prophesies. Believe it or not. Deny it and remain in the dark.

keras said:

Re a CME sun explosion at the Sixth Seal. This will happen, it is the only thing that will literally fulfil all the prophesies. Believe it or not. Deny it and remain in the dark.

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Have a date set on that prediction Keras?

I think I'll go with the "not" and stay "in the dark" with your predictions. Your last one didn't go so well.

1. PREDICTION: Bruce McKerras claims that the sixth seal of the Book of Revelation will be opened on December 2012. In a book/article that he posted online titled ALETHOS TELOS: The Truth About the End Times he states the following: “2012 December The great and terrible day of the Lord’s vengeance and wrath, a CME sunstrike. Isaiah 30:26. It is the Sixth seal. Worldwide devastation and the Middle East is completely cleared, Psalm 83, a small Jewish remnant survive in Jerusalem. Isaiah 4:3 Many will die elsewhere, such as America: Isaiah 17:4-10, but most will survive…”
   TRUTH: Biblically that is not possible. The sixth seal follows the fifth seal and the fifth seal will not be opened prior to 2017. There will not be devastation to the degree that the sixth seal calls for in December 2012. For more biblical details, please check out Can the Great Tribulation Begin in 2012 or 2013?

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keras said:

No, only viewed thru pre-trib rapture glasses, is that made out. The normal reading is:...Jesus who rescues us from the coming wrath. Going to heaven isn't even hinted there and from other scriptures, we know the deliverance or rescue, is by protection and shelter.

Psalms 23:4 Even if I walk through a valley of darkness, I will fear no harm, for You are with me.
Isaiah 41:3 For I the Lord, will hold your right hand, saying: fear not, I will help you.
Zephaniah 2:3 Seek the Lord, all you who obey Him, it may be that you will be sheltered on the Day of the Lord’s anger.
Proverbs 3:25 Do not be afraid when fools are frightened or when destruction overtakes the wicked, for the Lord will be at your side on that Day.
Isaiah 43:2 You will walk through fire and not be scorched, through flames, they will not burn you. Daniel 3:25, Jeremiah 30:4-11
1 Corinthians 10:13.... God will not test you beyond your powers and when the test comes, He will provide a way out to enable you to endure.
Psalms 9:10 The Lord does not abandon those who seek Him and trust in Him.
2 Peter 2:9 God knows how to rescue the godly from their trials.
Psalms 18:3 I shall call upon the Lord, then I will be made safe.
Psalms 31:23-24 The Lord protects the faithful. Be strong, all you whose hope is in the Lord.
Psalms 64:10 The righteous rejoice, their refuge in the Lord.
Zechariah 9:15-16 The Lord of hosts will protect His people...On that Day, He will save them, like a flock, for they are precious to Him. Isaiah 61:10
Psalms 37:18-19 The Lord watches over the righteous, when times are bad, they will not be distressed.
Job 22:30 He will deliver the innocent, because their hands are pure.
Psalms 91:1-16 ...He will rescue you, you will not fear the terrors abroad.
Psalms 121:1-8 Our help comes from the Lord, He will guard your life.
Psalms 109:31 The Lord stands at the right hand of the poor and saves them from trials.
Isaiah 51:16 I keep you covered under the shelter of My hand.
Psalms 97:10-12 He keeps His loyal servants safe and rescues them from the wicked.
Jeremiah 17:7-8 Blessed is anyone who trusts in the Lord, they will be like trees by a stream, when the heat comes it has nothing to fear.
Nahum 1:7 The Lord is a sure protection in times of trouble and cares for all those who make Him their refuge.
Psalms 60:4-5 To those who fear the Lord, He will show the way to escape from trouble.
Psalms 37:9 For evildoers will be destroyed, those who trust in the Lord will prosper in the Land.
Isaiah 26:20 On that Day, I will come to your aid.
Daniel 12:1 There will be a time of anguish, but at that time, Your people will be delivered, all those whose names are written in the Book of Life.
2 Thessalonians 1:7 ...to give you relief when the Lord Jesus comes in blazing fire.
Joel 3:16 The Lord roars from Zion, the heavens and the earth shudder, but He is a refuge for His people and a defence for Israel.
Isaiah 65:9b My chosen ones will take possession of the land, those who serve Me will live there.
Ecclesiasticus 34:13-17 Those who fear the Lord will live, for their trust in Him can keep them safe. The Lord keeps watch over those who love Him, He is their shield and support, a shelter from the scorching wind and the heat of the sun. He raises their spirits and gives healing, life and blessings.

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You and your post-trib "endure till the end" salvation mentality!

If you have to go through the tribulation in order to be saved, what if you die tomorrow and not be able to go through the tribulation, did you just lose all your salvation?

What about all other Christians that have already died in the past, are they going to hell since they can't endure the tribulation?

"Endure till the end" means to resist the devil's temptation till the day you die. Not be fooled into thinking you must endure God's wrath in order to be saved.



And none of those verses you pulled out of context implies enduring through God's wrath.









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keras said:

Sorry, VS, your quote of Matthew 24:6 is quite different in my Bible. This is unacceptable and we will report you for posting false Bible verses.

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"we".

Psalm3704 said:

Have a date set on that prediction Keras?
I think I'll go with the "not" and stay "in the dark" with your predictions. Your last one didn't go so well.

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Yes, I did 'jump the gun' in 2012, like so many others at that time. I apologized for my error and don't post dates now. That the Lord's Day of wrath didn't happen in 2012, in no way precludes that it won't happen.

Bible prophecy is certain; there will be a judgement by fire to come. 2 Peter 3:7 What the Lord will use is also clear; He has in His storehouse, awaiting the Day of punishment and vengeance, a fire set ablaze by My anger....Deuteronomy 32:22, Deuteronomy 32:34-35

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You and your post-trib "endure till the end" salvation mentality!
If you have to go through the tribulation in order to be saved, what if you die tomorrow and not be able to go through the tribulation, did you just lose all your salvation?
What about all other Christians that have already died in the past, are they going to hell since they can't endure the tribulation?

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A very confused and wrong theology!
A 'post-trib' view is the only correct one, as Paul said: when the Lord descends from heaven....then we meet the Lord in the air....1 Thess 4:15-17 Jesus comes down as described in Revelation 19:11 and Matthew 24:30, for His Millennial reign. Those people who have proved themselves worthy by enduring to the end, Revelation 13:10, will reign with Him. Revelation 5:10
Any other fanciful idea, is false and unscriptural.

I think its rather presumptuous to concern ones self with something they may never see,it cannot be stopped,it wont speed up or slow down because God has his own timetable of events.

keras said:

Yes, I did 'jump the gun' in 2012, like so many others at that time. I apologized for my error and don't post dates now. That the Lord's Day of wrath didn't happen in 2012, in no way precludes that it won't happen.

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However scripture does preclude we listen to you and fear any more of your warnings:

20 But the prophet who presumes to speak a word in My name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or who speaks in the name of other gods, that prophet shall die.’ 21 And if you say in your heart, ‘How shall we know the word which the Lord has not spoken?’— 22 when a prophet speaks in the name of the Lord, if the thing does not happen or come to pass, that is the thing which the Lord has not spoken; the prophet has spoken it presumptuously; you shall not be afraid of him. (Deut 18:20-22)

Your apology makes no difference.
1)You spoke a prediction in the name of the Lord
2) what you spoke failed to come to pass
Therefore:
3) Scripture commands us to turn away from you and fear not you or your words any more.

Scripture has a "one strike" policy when it comes to Prophesy Keras... you don't get any do overs.

parousia70 said:

However scripture does preclude we listen to you and fear any more of your warnings:

20 But the prophet who presumes to speak a word in My name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or who speaks in the name of other gods, that prophet shall die.’ 21 And if you say in your heart, ‘How shall we know the word which the Lord has not spoken?’— 22 when a prophet speaks in the name of the Lord, if the thing does not happen or come to pass, that is the thing which the Lord has not spoken; the prophet has spoken it presumptuously; you shall not be afraid of him. (Deut 18:20-22)

Your apology makes no difference.
1)You spoke a prediction in the name of the Lord
2) what you spoke failed to come to pass
Therefore:
3) Scripture commands us to turn away from you and fear not you or your words any more.

Scripture has a "one strike" policy when it comes to Prophesy Keras... you don't get any do overs.

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You quoted an Old Testament verse. Prophecy is different under the New Covenant. Did you not read?

1 Cor. 14
29 Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge.
30 If any thing be revealed to another that sitteth by, let the first hold his peace.
31 For ye may all prophesy one by one, that all may learn, and all may be comforted.
32 And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets.

There is no stoning if someone misses it. Others judge when one prophecies. If the others think the one prophesying misses it, Paul does not say what is to be done. We are to walk in love, and bring correction, but not stoning! Neither is God going to strike someone dead for giving a false prophecy today. We are under grace.

However, it is not wise to come up with dates through our own reasoning!
Neither should anyone prophecy without hearing from the Lord!

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Scripture has a "one strike" policy when it comes to Prophesy Keras... you don't get any do overs.

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The real reason for my posts, is to point out what the Bible prophets actually wrote. I make no claim to be a prophet, or have any ability to proclaim a date the Lord will take action. I found that out the hard way!
So now, because you don't like what the Bible prophets said will happen, will you ignore my posts?
Is that wise or even sensible?

iamlamad said:

However, it is not wise to come up with dates through our own reasoning!

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Be aware that the Bible prophets have given some very good indications of times and dates. Not by any reasoning, just the Word of God thru His appointed prophets.

iamlamad said:

Neither should anyone prophecy without hearing from the Lord!

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We have no prophets now, Isaiah 29:10-11, Psalms 74:9, although we do have people who can prophesy over individuals, but not the big picture; the ancient prophets said it all.

Psalm3704 said:

1 Thessalonians 1:10
And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come.

Read the whole verse.

It clearly indicates Christ coming in two stages, the first stage when He comes for the church before the wrath.

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Your mind is set up into thinking that Being Saved means being taken to Heaven before the tribulation that will precede the Coming of Jesus.

The verse does not say I WILL DELIVER YOU FROM THE TRIBULATION THAT WILL COME IN THE FUTURE.

The sentence saying [...even Jesus,which DELIVERED us ] is about the assurance of our resurrection for eternal life if we remain faithful until we die ....dead in Christ.

The wrath of God is about the destruction of the the unrepentant sinners unto the Coming of Jesus and them being ultimately thrown in the lake of fire at the Great White Throne Judgment.

Psalm3704 said:

..It clearly indicates Christ coming in two stages, the first stage when He comes for the church before the wrath.

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The First Coming of Jesus about 2,000 years ago was not made in two stages.
Don't expect God to change His Way of doing things to accommodate 'you' .
God is not a respecter of person be it Jew or Christian.
You want Jesus to run the tribulation the way you expect ...One day [if you are alive]when the real stuff will begin you will realize that the condition to be saved have suddenly changed even if you are a Christian.

The next time that will not be me who will warn my fellow Christians Revelation 14:9...be prepare --- but if you want you can continue to dream of an easy escape and ignore the Book of Revelation who is addressed in particular for the Christians who will be alive during the generation who will see these things coming.-that is your choice.-

The age of being Saved by Grace will End when the 42months reign of the beast will begin.Saved by Grace does not mean being taken to Heaven before the Tribulation.
Revelation 14
9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, 10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: 11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

"Your mind is set up into thinking that Being Saved means being taken to Heaven before the tribulation that will precede the Coming of Jesus"


The fact is that only those saved will be made immortal before the coming tribulation of both the dead in Christ and those living at the time [1 Thessalonians 5:9-15; 2 Thessalonians 2:1]

Those of the living who profess only at the time will enter the tribulation [Matthew 25:1-13; Revelation 3:10; 3:9-20]

Straightshot said:

"Your mind is set up into thinking that Being Saved means being taken to Heaven before the tribulation that will precede the Coming of Jesus"


The fact is that only those saved will be made immortal before the coming tribulation of both the dead in Christ and those living at the time [1 Thessalonians 5:9-15; 2 Thessalonians 2:1]

Those of the living who profess only at the time will enter the tribulation [Matthew 25:1-13; Revelation 3:10; 3:9-20]

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The demonstration is done that you believe that your SALVATION is based exclusively upon your belief that Being Saved means being rapture -while alive- before the Tribulation .

What happen if you die before being raptured ?What happen to all those Christians who have died before the 'pre-tribulation rapture' ?Are they all damned ?

Think about it.

Every Christians who have remain faithful to Jesus all their life until they died are ALREADY SAVED AND ARE ACTUALLY IN THE PRESENCE OF GOD IN HEAVEN.

You wish that only a small group of Christians being Saved. [Ironically Satan wish that too... ]

keras said:

The real reason for my posts, is to point out what the Bible prophets actually wrote. I make no claim to be a prophet, or have any ability to proclaim a date the Lord will take action. I found that out the hard way!
So now, because you don't like what the Bible prophets said will happen, will you ignore my posts?
Is that wise or even sensible?

Be aware that the Bible prophets have given some very good indications of times and dates. Not by any reasoning, just the Word of God thru His appointed prophets.

We have no prophets now, Isaiah 29:10-11, Psalms 74:9, although we do have people who can prophesy over individuals, but not the big picture; the ancient prophets said it all.

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You seem stuck in the Old Covenant. We live under a New Covenant. OF COURSE God has prophets today. Did you forget about the gifts of the spirit in 1 Cor. 12? However, prophesy today has very little resemblance to the prophets and their prophesies of old.

Riberra said:

Your mind is set up into thinking that Being Saved means being taken to Heaven before the tribulation that will precede the Coming of Jesus.

The verse does not say I WILL DELIVER YOU FROM THE TRIBULATION THAT WILL COME IN THE FUTURE.

The sentence saying [...even Jesus,which DELIVERED us ] is about the assurance of our resurrection for eternal life if we remain faithful until we die ....dead in Christ.

The wrath of God is about the destruction of the the unrepentant sinners unto the Coming of Jesus and them being ultimately thrown in the lake of fire at the Great White Throne Judgment.

The First Coming of Jesus about 2,000 years ago was not made in two stages.
Don't expect God to change His Way of doing things to accommodate 'you' .
God is not a respecter of person be it Jew or Christian.
You want Jesus to run the tribulation the way you expect ...One day [if you are alive]when the real stuff will begin you will realize that the condition to be saved have suddenly changed even if you are a Christian.

The next time that will not be me who will warn my fellow Christians Revelation 14:9...be prepare --- but if you want you can continue to dream of an easy escape and ignore the Book of Revelation who is addressed in particular for the Christians who will be alive during the generation who will see these things coming.-that is your choice.-

The age of being Saved by Grace will End when the 42months reign of the beast will begin.Saved by Grace does not mean being taken to Heaven before the Tribulation.
Revelation 14
9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, 10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: 11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

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You can be left behind if that is what you wish - and it obviously is. I cannot recommend it though: it may well cost you your head.

Riberra said:

The demonstration is done that you believe that your SALVATION is based exclusively upon your belief that Being Saved means being rapture -while alive- before the Tribulation .

What happen if you die before being raptured ?What happen to all those Christians who have died before the 'pre-tribulation rapture' ?Are they all damned ?

Think about it.

Every Christians who have remain faithful to Jesus all their life until they died are ALREADY SAVED AND ARE ACTUALLY IN THE PRESENCE OF GOD IN HEAVEN.

You wish that only a small group of Christians being Saved. [Ironically Satan wish that too... ]

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It seems you talk a lot without reading.

15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

Riberra said:

Your mind is set up into thinking that Being Saved means being taken to Heaven before the tribulation that will precede the Coming of Jesus.

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No. I'm saved by Grace through Faith.

Your idea of being saved is to go through the tribulation, confront the antichrist so you can get your head cut off.

Riberra said:

The verse does not say I WILL DELIVER YOU FROM THE TRIBULATION THAT WILL COME IN THE FUTURE.

The sentence saying [...even Jesus,which DELIVERED us ] is about the assurance of our resurrection for eternal life if we remain faithful until we die ....dead in Christ.

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Look again at other translations Riberra. It very much implies "I WILL DELIVER YOU FROM THE TRIBULATION THAT WILL COME IN THE FUTURE."

What it clearly does NOT say is "Jesus delivers us immediately after the tribulation."

No post-trib rapture found anywhere!

Riberra said:

The First Coming of Jesus about 2,000 years ago was not made in two stages.
Don't expect God to change His Way of doing things to accommodate 'you' .

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Jesus didn't rapture anyone immediately after 70 AD either. He isn't gonna rapture anyone immediately after the tribulation as well, so don't expect God to make any changes to accommodate you either.

Riberra said:

The next time that will not be me who will warn my fellow Christians Revelation 14:9...be prepare --- but if you want you can continue to dream of an easy escape and ignore the Book of Revelation who is addressed in particular for the Christians who will be alive during the generation who will see these things coming.-that is your choice.-

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I'll take the easy escape and meet Jesus Christ (that is MY choice). You go ahead and live on stale twinkies in your basement for 42 months waiting for the antichrist.

I'll receive my rewards from Jesus Christ, you go ahead and lose your head to the antichrist.

You'll fit right in with all those professing christians who will endure the tribulation.

Riberra said:

The age of being Saved by Grace will End when the 42months reign of the beast will begin.Saved by Grace does not mean being taken to Heaven before the Tribulation.

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And Riberra is promoting a false grace message.









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Riberra said:

Think about it.

Every Christians who have remain faithful to Jesus all their life until they died are ALREADY SAVED AND ARE ACTUALLY IN THE PRESENCE OF GOD IN HEAVEN.

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Hey everyone!

How many times have we all seem Riberra claim no one goes to heaven, especially during the rapture?










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Riberra said:

The demonstration is done that you believe that your SALVATION is based exclusively upon your belief that Being Saved means being rapture -while alive- before the Tribulation .

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Try reading the bible more, that's what it teaches. There is no salvation if you have to go through the tribulation.









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