Is the Great Tribulation impending ?

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If any on the forum think that the Lord is going to keep them from violence during the tribulation, think again [Revelation 6:9-11; 13:7; 14:13
Yes, we will all be on earth during all the difficult times ahead. Up till now, there has been world wars, terrible famines and plagues and millions of the saints have been killed for their faith. These are the first Five Seals in effect and they will get worse before Jesus Returns.
But we do have the promises of God for His protection: 1 Corinthians 10:13...God will not test you beyond your power and when the test comes, He will provide a way out to enable you to endure.
Also we must call upon the Name of the Lord, on His Day of wrath. Joel 2:32, Acts 2:21 Many verses tell how the Lord will protect His people on that terrible Day. Isaiah 41:13, Zechariah 9:15-16
Then, later just before the Great Tribulation, those who refused the treaty with the Anti-Christ, will be taken to a place of safety on earth. Revelation 12:14 Those Christians who violated the Covenant, Daniel 11:32, will remain, as in Revelation 12:17
And Revelation 12 is all about the Lord, Israel, and Satan .... not somebody's "church" organization
When you mention Israel, please specify whether you mean the State of Israel, or the Israel of God.
Jewish religion: Galatians 3:10...they rely on obedience to the Law and are therefore, under a curse.
Christian believers: Galatians 3:7..Those who have faith in God and accept Jesus atoning sacrifice, are Abrahams children. Isaiah 51:1-2

It is plain that Revelation 12 refers to true, righteous Christian believers, people from every race and language, some of whom will be Jews, but only a small minority. Any attempt to force the Jewish Israelis into that chapter, is wrong.
 
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"When you mention Israel, please specify whether you mean the State of Israel, or the Israel of God"


Both the same .... and not your "church"

"The Israel of God" is only recorded once in scripture .... and Paul is specifically speaking to some of early converts of the nation of Israel [Galatians 6:16]

You are following some sort of charismatic Pentecostal movement that claims to be the "Israel of God" and teaches legalistic salvation by works

And the Lord speaks to you here [Revelation 2:9; 3:9]

I would suggest that you move away from your religion and seek Biblical truth

These man made religious cults are dangerous and the leaders use mind control techniques for keeping the memberships

http://www.rapidnet.com/~jbeard/bdm/Psychology/char/charisma.htm
 
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So the 'rapture to heaven' cult that you belong to, uses non Biblical theories and believes that God has two Peoples. Both going to heaven and 2P2P are never mentioned in the Bible, only inferred by those who like their ears tickled.

My church has never claimed to be the 'Israel of God', but all true Christian believers are just that. You deny Paul's plain teaching if you think the Jews are.
"The Israel of God" is only recorded once in scripture .... and Paul is specifically speaking to some of early converts of the nation of Israel [Galatians 6:16]
Galatians 6:16 All who take this principal for their guide, [Christian people] peace and mercy be upon them; the Israel of God.
Thinking this applies only to the Galatians shows how seriously deluded and confused you are.
 
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You will have to take your known religious affiliation and discuss with others
You should be able to prove your beliefs by posting scriptures. The fact that you can't, shows them to be wrong, your accusations against my beliefs shows your intolerance and your refusal to properly discuss issues, shows your lack of Bible knowledge and understanding.
 
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Fear not. God knows his children and we are not alone.

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Matthew 24:6
6 And you will hear of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not troubled; for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.

That paraphrase is man's word and doesn't even resemble the actual Bible verse. Read God's Word. Put away man's word.
 
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Matthew 24:6
6 And you will hear of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not troubled; for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.

That paraphrase is man's word and doesn't even resemble the actual Bible verse. Read God's Word. Put away man's word.
Given there are over a dozen translations of God's word published today, you're always reading what is man's word in that context.
 
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Can we all paws....for a moment?
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And not use sarcastic, hateful, goading, inflammatory, remarks to defend what we believe we understand about Gods word?

Think how that looks. We're suppose to be indwelt by the holy and sacred spirit of God. And we're using spiteful language toward one another as we discuss all that can lead to the great tribulation as pertains to scripture?

Really? Would you say what you're about to write to someone here if Jesus was sitting right beside you watching you type?


If not, take a deep breath, and ask yourself how you'd feel if someone were to say that to your face.

We're the church that Peter was told to go forth and build in the name of Jesus. Delivering his true and sacred word to the world, as his most trusted Disciple. The church, the body of faithful living in the spirit and the truth of God the world over. And we're being hateful toward one another on the world wide web? While talking about the Bible?

Peace Be Still
Mark 4:38-40
 
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Given there are over a dozen translations of God's word published today, you're always reading what is man's word in that context.

I think you missed my point. The paraphrase missed all the main points of that verse - that wars and rumors of wars happen first but they are not the end yet and that we are commanded not to be troubled by these things. Look up dozens of translations and they will say the same two points which the "paraphrase" does not say.
 
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We who are believers will be experiencing great troubles coming on this world, we have a part in what goes wrong too. We can still change from that too. But it still won't be the time of Yahweh's judgment coming to this world. Believers are not kept in this world for that time, except those becoming believers in Christ that late, which will be the time of great tribulations, which are yet worse.
 
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