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jimmyjimmy · May 15, 2016

stephen583 said:
If you belong to an organized church, that is a member of the World Council of Churches.. you support the "Ecumenical Movement... PERIOD ! Claiming otherwise is like saying you are RCC, but you don't support Marianism. That's total nonsense. You can't be one, without being the other.

My denomination is not a member of the WCC, nor is it liberal. Your comments are both rash and ignorant. Get the facts before rushing to judgement.

Albion · May 15, 2016

stephen583 said:
I already know I will not be here on earth to see the general resurrection and rapture at the Second Coming, but I will see it, as I will appear in the clouds alongside Jesus Christ at his coming.

OK. I had gotten the wrong impression, then.

(1). God certainly knows the "hour".

Certainly. But we do not.

(2). As for your second point, I guarantee you although I will have already departed from this earth, I will most certainly be ALIVE and LIVING at the time the Rapture occurs, because the second death will have no power over me.

I didn't think anything else.

Albion · May 15, 2016

stephen583 said:
I'm afraid "thatbrian", I'm not the one in peril. You and everyone else who belongs to a church that supports ecumenism, has turned up a one way street, headed in the wrong direction. Good luck with that one. I'd rather be a "non-clerical" Christian, than "ostensibly" call myself one.

How's that for using my brain and a proper application of exegesis there buddy ?!

thatbrian said:
My denomination is not a member of the WCC, nor is it liberal. Your comments are both rash and ignorant.

And...he did ask.

jimmyjimmy · May 15, 2016

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Goodbook · May 15, 2016

When you become a believer, God will direct you to others who you can fellowship with. You become part of the body of Christ and it exists to build each other up and encourage one another in faith.
Many christians traditionally meet once a week on the Lords Day and celebrate with the Lords supper but churches can also meet any day of the week anywhere. Do not forsake gathering together, we are to love one another as Jesus commands.

Rick Otto · May 15, 2016

thatbrian said:
The sad state of affairs in the world, and also fully present in the church as well, is that you can't disagree with someone without being accused of being judgmental. It's not a clever deflection, yet it seems to work.

LOL! Poor you!
Yet here you are using a judge as your avatar.

stephen583 · May 15, 2016

Albion said:
Certainly. But we do not.

The Scripture says God shall do nothing in secret without revealing it to his servants first, (Amos 3:7). So if God knows the HOUR, he will certainly reveal it to his servants. So when you use the word "we", be aware you are referring only to yourself and others who will not know the hour... You aren't referring to me.

stephen583 · May 15, 2016

Goodbook said:
we are to love one another as Jesus commands.

Jesus never commanded anyone to LOVE or JOIN with Babylon. He commanded you to do the exact opposite. "Come out from Babylon" !!!

The Ecumenical Movement is no different than what the Ancient Romans did. At one time, there were over 650 temples dedicated to the worship of different gods in Rome. The Romans figured out, the easiest way to assimilate any nation was to simply recognize and adopt their gods along with their own. The Romans worshipped Greek gods, Assyrian gods, Egyptian gods, ect, ect. It was an early version of the "religious unity" movement that was revived in the 1900's.

There is no difference between recognizing a religion and endorsing one. It's the same thing. The root word of recognize is "cognizant". One of the definitions of the word "cognizant" is a cloth covering worn over armor either emblazoned with a heraldic symbol or color pattern in order to identify the lord whom the soldier serves. To recognize the cognizant of a master is to serve him as lord and sovereign.

By recognizing the Ecumenical Movement, (Christians ?) are endorsing religions that DO NOT acknowledge the existence of Christ. (i.e. Judaisim, Buddhsim, Islam and others).

WITHOUT JESUS CHRIST... THERE IS NO CHURCH ! IF YOU BELIEVE OTHERWISE, YOU ARE FOOLING YOURSELF.

Goodbook · May 15, 2016

What are you going on about I wasnt talking about babylon.
I was talking about fellowshipping with other christians i.e believers.

Grr. I was answering the OP not you.

stephen583 · May 15, 2016

Goodbook said:
I was talking about fellowshipping with other christians i.e believers.

Are you talking about fellowshipping with "REAL" Christians though ? Or Babylon ? That's the question. Do you even know the difference ?

BadHabit · May 16, 2016

I won't darken the doorstep of a church. No thanks.

stephen583 · May 16, 2016

What about the 39 followers of Applewhite and HeavensGate who committed suicide ? The 909 followers of Jim Jones who also drank the poison kool aide and died in the Jonestown massacre ? What about the followers of David Koresh who died at Waco ?

Do you think any of these DEAD people benefitted from their (Christian ?) fellowship ?! Personally, I don't see how.

"If your hand or your foot causes you to stumble, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life maimed or crippled than to have two hands or two feet and be thrown into eternal fire" (Matthew 18:8, NIV).

If any part of the body (the Church) gives offense, see that you cut it off and cast it away from you. Do not pretend it is part of the True body of Christ any longer. Do not recognize it as such, or lend to it any legitimacy whatsoever.

Goodbook · May 16, 2016

Duh real christians. Why would I want to fellowship with babylon, why wouldnt I know the difference. When you have His spirit, you know who belongs to him and who doesnt.

Dont make a mountain out of a molehill. You can tell a person by their fruits. God will show you if you dont learn this lesson and read his Word, because wolves in sheeps clothing do enter churches and devour the flock, and this happened right from the beginning in the early church.

Of course everyone wants to say they are christians, but many are not, and thats where you need to be careful, if you are fellowshipping Amongst people arent believers, prayers arent going to be answered, you wont experience His presence, there will be confusion. It will become obvious who belongs to Him and who is just lukewarm.

Albion · May 16, 2016

stephen583 said:
The Scripture says God shall do nothing in secret without revealing it to his servants first, (Amos 3:7). So if God knows the HOUR, he will certainly reveal it to his servants. So when you use the word "we", be aware you are referring only to yourself and others who will not know the hour... You aren't referring to me.

I disagree. You may not know the hour for the reason that no one of us knows the hour, and yet God may nevertheless be planning to reveal such knowledge at his own time and to those living after us.

St_Worm2 · May 18, 2016

stephen583 said:

The Scripture says God shall do nothing in secret without revealing it to his servants first, (Amos 3:7) So if God knows the HOUR, he will certainly reveal it to his servants.

Click to expand...

Granted, this is probably taken out of the context of this thread, but I thought it might be worth considering:

"The secret things belong to the Lord our God, but the things revealed belong to us and to our sons forever, that we may observe all the words of this law." ~Deuteronomy 29:29 / Matthew 24:36; Luke 12:35-40; Acts 1:6-7

All is not revealed, but all that we 'need' to know is :amen:

--David

St_Worm2 · May 18, 2016

stephen583 said:
The Scripture says God shall do nothing in secret without revealing it to his servants first, (Amos 3:7). So if God knows the HOUR, he will certainly reveal it to his servants.

Just a bit more (since I finally went back and took a look at Amos 3). Amos 3:7 tells us that the Lord will not act in secret, rather, that He will surely warn His people through, "His servants, the prophets", if He was intending to bring a calamity down upon their heads.

Concerning the Day of the Lord, the promise from Amos 3:7 has already been fulfilled .. as we have been warned by the Scriptures to prepare for it and to watch for it (specifically because we don't know the exact hour that it will come upon us :preach:

).

Not that the, "Day of the Lord", will in any sense be a, "calamity", for God's children :amen:

Yours and His,
David

Rick Otto · May 18, 2016

="St_Worm2, post: 69648223,Not that the, "Day of the Lord", will in any sense be a, "calamity", for God's children

Yours and His,
David

Amen & hallelujah, bro.
I can't recommend trusting Him enough.
Every time I do something for money instead of in faith, I get almost immediate blowback.

Rick Otto · May 18, 2016

Goodbook said:
Duh real christians. Why would I want to fellowship with babylon, why wouldnt I know the difference. When you have His spirit, you know who belongs to him and who doesnt.

Dont make a mountain out of a molehill. You can tell a person by their fruits. God will show you if you dont learn this lesson and read his Word, because wolves in sheeps clothing do enter churches and devour the flock, and this happened right from the beginning in the early church.

Of course everyone wants to say they are christians, but many are not, and thats where you need to be careful, if you are fellowshipping Amongst people arent believers, prayers arent going to be answered, you wont experience His presence, there will be confusion. It will become obvious who belongs to Him and who is just lukewarm.

! Thank you.
I consider that Christian common sense.
And you present it without malice or derision.
Again, thank you.

stephen583 · May 19, 2016

Goodbook said:
You can tell a person by their fruits. God will show you if you dont learn this lesson and read his Word, because wolves in sheeps clothing do enter churches and devour the flock,

Exactly my point. Real Christian Churches don't produce corpses. How many thousands of members of the RCC have perished in Vatican backed counter revolutions and uprisings against Communism during the Cold War era ? Eastern Europe, Africa, The Caribbean, South America and Central America ? Perhaps we are talking about tens of thousands.

In a 2015 visit to Bolivia, Pope Francis was officially presented with a sculpture commemorating the Vatican's victory over Soviet Communism. The sculpture was a Cross superimposed over a "Hammer and Sickle".

OutOfPlace_Christian · Jun 18, 2016

Noxot said:
for me it is. but there is no doubt much advantage to being around souls that love God. imo, there has to be people on the outside. but sobernost is important. i'm not good with all the extroverted type stuff. I don't go and do stuff because I feel obligated to. I don't do things that make me feel very uncomfortable. and i often can't relate to how people worship God in churches. most of the time I can't say i am a christian like others are Christians because they end up believing all kinds of things that i don't. I can alienate myself by speaking freely in this place. I can't do that as much in a social setting. i often prefer keeping to myself towards God. and I want intimacy but I don't understand it enough really so i would rather not have half-way relationships. I don't feel myself able to be as intimate with other people as I can be with God.

I feel the exact same way you do. But I'm forced to go.

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