God was with the church of England?

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Perfrect theology doesn't save. Believe in Jesus Christ does.
Amen

But taking Mary worship away and intercession to the saints, this put the focus solely on God the Father God the Son And God the Holy Ghost.

With the King as the defender of the faith, Britain took over the world. (Spreading the Gospel in the process)

coincidence? Or was God at work?

This theology didn't only influence Britain, the brits took it to the United States, look how blessed there land became!

Do you believe in miracles?
 
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I knew it, the church of England doctrine under queen Victoria (when Britain became the most powerful nation on earth)

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saved by grace not by works (true orthodox teaching)

Article XI: Of the Justification of Man
We are accounted righteous before God, only for the merit of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ by Faith, and not for our own works or deservings: Wherefore, that we are justified by Faith only is a most wholesome Doctrine, and very full of comfort, as more largely is expressed in the Homily of Justification.

Article XII: Of Good Works
Albeit that Good Works, which are the fruits of Faith, and follow after Justification, cannot put away our sins, and endure the severity of God's Judgement; yet are they pleasing and acceptable to God in Christ, and do spring out necessarily of a true and lively Faith; insomuch that by them a lively Faith may be as evidently known as a tree discerned by the fruit.

Article XIII: Of Works before Justification
Works done before the grace of Christ, and the Inspiration of his Spirit, are not pleasant to God, forasmuch as they spring not of faith in Jesus Christ, neither do they make men meet to receive grace, or (as the School-authors say) deserve grace of congruity: yea, rather, for that they are not done as God hath willed and commanded them to be done, we doubt not but they have the nature of sin.


Article XV: Of Christ alone without Sin
Christ in the truth of our nature was made like unto us in all things, sin only except, from which he was clearly void, both in his flesh, and in his spirit. He came to be the Lamb without spot, who, by sacrifice of himself once made, should take away the sins of the world, and sin, as Saint John saith, was not in him. But all we the rest, although baptized, and born again in Christ, yet offend in many things; and if we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
 
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the atheist USSR became the largest country and a super power in the 20th century


we can also look at the standard of living and education in England and France at the time of the French Revolution
from what I have said, the French had a better standard of living (it is the middle class who revolts, the destitute poor just worry about where to get their next dinner)
 
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When the church of England reformed by breaking away from the Catholic Church.

Doing away with praying to saints and Mary and other doctrines they felt where wrong.

Britain became the most powerful nation on earth.

God was with them?
Sometimes becoming powerful does not mean God's with you in the sense of giving power to validate your ideology. Some things happen for a purpose. Remember Nebuchadnezzar (Jeremiah 25:9), who grew in power and was called “God’'s servant” ( 2 Kings 24:1-3, 2 Kings 25, Ezra 5:11-13, Jeremiah 21:6-8 , Jeremiah 25:8-10 , Jeremiah 27:7-9 , Jeremiah 29 , Jeremiah 43:9-11, Ezekiel 29:18-20, Daniel 1-4 ) . He was humbled later, as many other empires - from the Mongols to the Romans to the Egyptians and many others have...but their actions were used by the Lord to ensure change in the world as needed to occur.

The Mongols are among the best examples that come to mind since their actions made the Silk Road possible and connected the East/West globally.....and the Mongols literally reshaped the world and were the largest empire in world history....and plenty of Christians who lived in it, with certain Mongol leaders actually taking Christians as wives - more shared elsewhere:

For an excellent presentation on Asia in the Medieval Times, here's something fascinating on the Mongols - people who truly stand out in numerous ways.



Mongols themselves were known to be very tolerant in their rule as the Mongols were often known for allowing much in terms of diversity and religious freedom (counter to what many cultures did ) - and yet they did not tolerate a host of things. Interesting to consider how Genghis Khan saw himself as Divinely appointed to rule the world - by the power of the God of Heaven. With regards to the ability of success for the Mongols, one must remember the Silk Road. The Silk Road in what it represented may've been of more significance for the economic significance of the Empire than the taxes themselves..

But then again, the Silk Road is something which has helped MANY empires come to power and actually do well economically. Amongst the most powerful empires ever to change the world economically (and religiously as well) due to the Silk Road were the Mongols

Years ago, I went to an exhibit at the Ferbank Muesuem of Natural History on Genghis Khan" (more here, here and here)....and it was wild learning on Genghis Khan being more than the stereotypical barbarian.




Apparently, from what I was able to learn with my friends/family, Genghis established freedom of religion and cultural expression in the lands he conquered, promoted a meritocracy and created the first efficient mail system...and he even popularized pants (much better for horseback riding). From an impoverished, illiterate and isolated youth, Genghis created a nation, a language, religious and political freedoms, a post office, Pony Express, diplomatic immunity, a network of international toll roads, and a host of other innovations in what was by far the largest empire in the history of the world. ...and in many respects, his empire was previous to other ones that were successful such as the Persian Empire (very majestic/beautiful and the envy of the West) when seeing how the Persians were often being beloved by their subjects for the ways they treated others/allowed a significant deal of multiculturalism and supported a policy of multi-religious views to flourish.

With the Genghis Khan exhibit, I really enjoyed it and seeing so many of the ways that the man/Mongolian Empire impacted the world - with many of the things we have today coming directly from that, be it paper money, forks, pants, eyeglasses, passports or national parks and many other things. Was tripped out seeing the ways that the Mongol Empire facilitated cultural, political, economic, and technological transfer across Eurasia and thereby helped to revitalize civilization in China, India, the Middle East, and Europe. It was even more of a delight for me to attend the exhibit on Genghis Khan in light of the ways that Eastern Christianity/ Church of the East greatly influenced the Mongol Empire (more discussed here /here/here/here/here/here /here/ here/ here/ here/ here/here & here in #84 ) - and I was really blessed seeing the multiple artifacts they shared at the exhibit on the issue of Eastern Christians - with it being the case that the Nestorians won many members of the Keralts tribe to their faith (and in the 13th century this tribe would produce Genghis Khan, the military leader who would unify the Mongol tribes ) and there were many Nestorian Christians in the court of Genghis Khan, including the wife of the khan himself. It was very amazing seeing how there were certainly Christian sects operating within the Mongolian sphere at the time in question, as the Nestorians had been converting Mongols since the 7th century and the Keraits, Merkits, etc., had large Christian beliefs. .and these Christians then intermarried with other Mongolian tribes - with at least two sons of Genghis Khan married Nestorian women...and the influences being so great that Genghis Khan also exempted Christian priests and scholars from paying any taxes. To see the intersections of Christians and Mongolians during the Medieval eras were noteworthy...






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The Mongols became powerful. The Ottomans became powerful. The US became powerful.
None of them owned half the world as Britain did, however. And none of them spread the Gospel as widely as Britain did. Certainly the hand of God might have been at work, but there are always other factors to consider, and the result is that we just don't know. :D
 
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None of them owned half the world as Britain did, however. And none of them spread the Gospel as widely as Britain did. Certainly the hand of God might have been at work, but there are always other factors to consider, and the result is that we just don't know. :D

There is a difference between dominating and oppressing people and 'owning' them. The English just wanted an empire! Not a good start for preaching the gospel.
Getting natives to attend Anglican ceremonies isn't a sign that they are in a restored relationship with the Father and actually can hear His voice.
 
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There is a difference between dominating and oppressing people and 'owning' them. The English just wanted an empire! Not a good start for preaching the gospel.
Getting natives to attend Anglican ceremonies isn't a sign that they are in a restored relationship with the Father and actually can hear His voice.

Having a bad day, friend? Britain did govern half the world, therefore the comparison made to the Mongols or to the Ottomans or Soviet Russia are not apt. Britain is unique in this regard in all of human history, like it or not. It also is the country that facilitated the spread of the Gospel probably more than any other, through Bible societies, for example. The most widely-read and influential translation of the Bible was produced by the Church of England, and more Protestant denominations trace their origin to the English church than to any other. And for all the "getting natives to attend ceremonies" stuff that you referred to, and which takes no account of the important factors in this story, most of those countries remain Christian to this day.
 
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Getting natives to attend Anglican ceremonies isn't a sign that they are in a restored relationship with the Father and actually can hear His voice.

Having a bad day, friend? Britain did govern half the world, therefore the comparison made to the Mongols or to the Ottomans or Soviet Russia are not apt. Britain is unique in this regard in all of human history, like it or not. It also is the country that facilitated the spread of the Gospel probably more than any other, through Bible societies, for example. The most widely-read and influential translation of the Bible was produced by the Church of England, and more Protestant denominations trace their origin to the English church than to any other. And for all the "getting natives to attend ceremonies" stuff that you referred to, and which takes no account of the important factors in this story, most of those countries remain Christian to this day.


Dominating and sponging of half the world isn't a Christian concept.


Furthermore Anglicanism is just another daughter of the mother of Harlots. Like popery they are obsessed with ceremonies and like the English they are ever so PROUD!
 
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When the church of England reformed by breaking away from the Catholic Church.

Doing away with praying to saints and Mary and other doctrines they felt where wrong.

Britain became the most powerful nation on earth.

God was with them?

And you think they broke away from the Catholic church because of their spiritual convictions? You really need to do more research.

King Henry VIII broke away from the Catholic Church merely to divorce his wife.

Before that, he erroneously used the Bible as grounds to divorce his first wife, by saying the marriage wasn't valid because she was his brother's wife. Nevermind the fact that they married after his brother's death, which the Bible is perfectly fine with.

King Henry VIII used religion as a tool to get what he wanted.

That guy went through at least 7 wives, executing most of them because they couldn't give him a male heir. The Tudor dynasty executed people like it was a bodily function. I have read up on them recently and am quite appalled by their behavior. I find them arrogant, childish, selfish and murderous ... which is what a human being degenerates into when given unbridled power.

But God can make something good come out of something bad. It was during this time that the Bible was printed in English so that the common people could read it.

Nevertheless, I certainly do not think God was too pleased with them. If He was, then why did He send people away from England to found the greatest nation on earth, the USA.
 
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How about this...

Henry didn't change anything except that he wasn't going to allow the Church to answer to the Pope -- thus returning to a status that it had had for most of its history. The issue was an annulment and the Pope, far from considering such a thing to be unthinkable, had already given one to the King of France, so you can see how that would appear to Henry.

The Papacy might have agreed with Henry except that it had its hands full with the Lutherans at that time.

So the Pope responded to Henry and his successors by trying to overthrow the government of England (how's that for high moral standards?) and then he, the Pope, broke off from the Church of England (not the other way around).

The historical facts are not nearly as much fun as the "juicy details" that fuel so many inter-denominational arguments.
 
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