How old is the earth and the sun?

bhsmte · Dec 1, 2015

joshua 1 9 said:
Just what part of the brain was he introducing the electrical charge?

Temporal lobes.

katerinah1947 · Dec 1, 2015

Brother Mike said:
I am confused by this. The USA uses a flat earth map, all our GPS are set to it. The excuse is that all globe maps are inaccurate.

All commercial flights are according to a Flat Earth Map. This is easy to prove by going to a flight tracker site and tracking the flights.

All telecommunication cables under the ocean run east to west and make connections only on a flat earth map.

Google maps do not even use Satellite images from NASA or any other organization. They use images from different High aerial photo companies that do not even own Satellites. Don't take my word on it, go look up the images of the respected copyright holders.

St Augustine taught the Earth was a sphere, but not a globe. People did not simply live on the other side.

Romans 13 does tell us to submit to the higher powers. The issue in the U.S is that it's not a big evil government. It's a government fractured by several different interest groups who have their own agenda. Some of these higher powers in congress want to know exactly what NASA is doing with all the money they get. Watching some Senate hearings about Budget and they have the NASA guy on the ropes. There are some in our government that would like NASA to get a budget that might cover making paper airplanes.
NASA's 150 Billion dollar Satellite ISS, is also under fire. When NASA attempted to do live feeds from the Space Station they always mess up the effects of being weightless. They are not spending Money on researching space, and the Money is not going into believable effects to fool Congress to get more money.

China just recently announced they will no longer give live pictures of the moon, as they continued to forget to add texture to parts of their broadcast from their 3d modeling program, and just could not make the effect look right.

Russia demanded as of June 2015 all of NASA's material on the Apollo missions which has all been conveniently lost. NASA still makes available plenty of evidence though they never set foot on the moon. Russia has never bothered going to the moon as they Stated it's not possible.

So, saying nothing wrong about Authority is God's Word. We don't put them down, or mock them. We don't have to remain stupid though, God's Word says nothing about that. I won't speak bad about Obama or anyone else in Power, I pray for them.

However, if your not being honest with moon landings, then how can I tell your being honest about the Age of the earth? I can't.

Blessings.

Hi,

The flat earth map, since I used to use them to fly, have errors in them to handle the fact that they are using a globe and trying to present it as flat for pilots in the old days.

The controversy of flat earth versus and non flat earth for me can be settled by one well designed and carried out experiment.

So far, no flater earther has been willing to do that work.

The work is this. They all the flat earthers get together and pick a man, woman or team that they can trust, but also one that they will believe alwasys and for all time.

We then take up a fund. It used to be $100,000 dollars, per person. Then they get into a Mig 29, and take that flight and then tell all of the other flat earthers what they see.

Balloon flights are also available.

The main person here, saying the earth is flat, and totally misunderstanding even steering momements made by the rockets nozzles for rockets will not take me up on either the balloon flight, nor the mig-29 flight.

When one experiement is worth a thousand expert opinions why not? Why not do the work?

He won't. Similarly I see other people on other issues, sometimes, sometimes, sometimes, who also will not do that one experiment to know.

LOVE,

Justatruthseeker · Dec 1, 2015

bhsmte said:
In fact, there is a neuro psychologist from Canada, that induced the feeling of being in the presence of a spirit, by introducing minimal electrical charges to the brain.

Because God is energy - the same thing that makes your consciousness possible. Man was not given a soul - he "became a soul" - a living creature - no different than the animals. What separated him from the animals was the knowledge that was given. The Mind/Consciousness/Knowledge/Energy.

Genesis 3:22 " the man has become like one of us, knowing good and evil." It is that knowing of both good (the original image) and evil (the fallen image) that made us like unto them - not some mythical soul. Nephesh is used for both animals and man - it simply means a living creature. It is knowledge that made us separate from them - giving us our dominion over them.

And so why would one not feel as if he was in the presence of a spirit - since God Himself is Energy/Mind/Consciousness/knowledge? I suggest they had the feeling of being in the presence of a spirit because that added energy enabled them to discern God who is Energy/Mind/Consciousness/Knowledge.

It is only the unbelieving scientist that interpreted it as non-reality - not the people that experienced it.

Shall we now discuss the belief of modern science in which reality doesn't exist until we observe it with our consciousness???

http://www.gizmag.com/quantum-theory-reality-anu/37866/

According to science you don't exist until I read your post. You are but a figment of my imagination. Although I am sure you would contest this belief - so who is correct? Science that believes nothing is real until we measure it (observe and quantify it) or does the star Sirius cease to exist when no one is looking????

Is a cat in a box really both alive and dead - neither one or the other until we observe it with out conscious minds? I suspect it is thought such as these which leads to incorrect conclusions about experiments with electrical currents (energy).

katerinah1947 · Dec 1, 2015

bhsmte said:
On the contrary, a scientist can become quite famous, by going against consensus, if they have the evidence, to show the consensus if wrong.

Hi,

On the contrary to what? Contrary to me making money defeating consensus erroneous types?

You are wrong again, and now dangerously wrong as you are hurting innocent people by your remarks if no one sees through them.

You are a lawyer, aren't you? <staff edit>

Going against consensus always kept me employed, going against it with proof, your other position is wrong. I have only been hurt by this, other than always being in demand, when nobody else with consensus in thier high paying jobs, could solve the problem.

Totally wrong. None of my types are wealthy. None.

LOVE,

joshua 1 9 · Dec 1, 2015

Loudmouth said:
I find it interesting that you claim there are no contradictions and then put Wise and Collins in the same list.

Why not, they both have real degrees from top universities and not just a piece of paper they purchases from a degree mill. The point I make is that there is no contradiction between True Science and the Bible. Wise for obvious reasons is not that public of a person, so I am not sure what he believes. I asked him a question once and the answer was straight out of the science book. So that is the experience I have had with him.

lesliedellow · Dec 1, 2015

katerinah1947 said:
Hi,

Religion is an observeable. It is within the realm of science. It may not fit into a classroom well yet, but that does not mean, science and philosophy added to religion, will not make it more accurate. It worked in medicine. It was not always that way in medicine, I am told.

LOVE,

Religion if it is defined in terms of rituals and behaviours is an observable, but not many religious people would consider that to be the essence of religion. Science is about the investigation of the physical universe, unless you include the so called social sciences, and religion is about man's relationship with God. At most they impinge upon one another only tangentially.

Justatruthseeker · Dec 1, 2015

But you don't really want to discuss electricity, which is why you ignore it everywhere except in the lab and on earth - even if all of space is filled with energy and electric currents have been observed everywhere we have ever sent a probe and looked for them.

Justatruthseeker · Dec 1, 2015

bhsmte said:
On the contrary, a scientist can become quite famous, by going against consensus, if they have the evidence, to show the consensus if wrong.

You got 1000's of years worth of evidence you ignore. If you accepted it the consensus would be shown to be wrong.

http://www.christianforums.com/threads/macroevolution.7919978/page-6#post-68918975

allhart · Dec 1, 2015

If Christians would look at scripture without a biased indoctrination they could see that Yahweh is sovereign over creation not scientists n their imaginations.... Science is after the fact not behind it all. The world was blk n formless n He didn't say for how long. What is your reasoning behind the firmament!???? Separating the waters from above from the waters below!???? What does He mean the moon gives its own light not a refraction!? What are stars that give their own light when stars are known as Angels or to be Angels!???? Shall we take the bible as it is plz???? Do we believe Yahweh or not!?

benelchi · Dec 1, 2015

Justatruthseeker said:
In the oldest manuscripts there is a mark of a pause between the first and second verse.

Sorry, but this too is untrue.

In twenty places in this chapter the verb “was” is used as the equivalent to “became”. The true meaning of the Hebrew word "hayah".

ADDRESSED THIS NONSENSE EARLIER

It must be noted that the word 'ohr is not the same word used in verse 14 signifying "lights," or "luminaries," ma-'ohr; rather, it signifies "heat." the effect, which immediately followed is described in the name Day, which in Hebrew signifies "warmth."

MORE NONSENSE! THE WORD אור ('ohr') is used many times to speak of light.

הבקר אור והאנשׁים שׁלחו המה וחמריהם - As soon as the morning was light, the men were sent away with their donkeys (Gen. 44:3 ESV)

"and the evening became and the morning became - day one." There is no difference in word usage between the first day and the six in which the evening became and the morning became - the sixth day.

Actually there a number of significant differences. First "day one" or more appropriately translated as "one day" (see NASB) uses an cardinal number, but the rest of the days use ordinal numbers. Day six is a definite construct form, but the first five days are indirect absolute.

"In Genesis 2:5 we see another HAYAH. Here again, it indicates a dynamic condition. The word "before" shows that it is dynamic with respect to time. Plants were not, but now they soon would be. Very, very carefully now, contrast this with the last part of this sentence: "there was not a man to till the ground." No HAYAH is used here; this "was" is in italics.

MORE NONSENSE! The reason verb היה is not used is because the particle אין is used. Hebrew has two particles used to express (generally in the present tense) the idea of "something being there (יש)" or "something not being there (אין)." These particles, like היה are also used idiomatically to express the idea of "having." היה is used when the perfect or imperfect is expressed, but יש and אין are used typically to express a present condition i.e. יש ספר על שלחן (there is a book on the table) or אין ספר על שלחן (there is not a book on the table). יש לי ספר (I have a book; lit. there is a book to me). In Ge. 2:5 the phrase is ואדם אין לעבד את־האדמה (lit. and a man there is not to work the ground).

joshua 1 9 · Dec 1, 2015

Loudmouth said:
"First, . . . to want to affirm that in reality the sun is at the center of the world and only turns on itself without moving from east to west, and the earth . . . revolves with great speed about the sun . . . is a very dangerous thing, likely not only to irritate all scholastic philosophers and theologians, but also to harm the Holy Faith by rendering Holy Scripture false."--Cardinal Bellarmine, 1615

Heliocentric goes back at least to Heraclides Ponticus around 350 BC.

katerinah1947 · Dec 1, 2015

Hi,

All this fuss, over the fact that even Galileo fought the idea of consensus, though the tables were turned on him. It was Religious Consensus against him, one nut job to everyone else.

Even winning it is said with some of the consensus types did not save him, a man who was later impoverished yet right by going against consensus.

Consensus is almost entirely valuable, almost all of the time, but it sometimes is wrong.

Is the fact that consensus is wrong some of the time, not be allowed here?

Not only that, but researchers are rarely in the business for just the money. It is usually not that.

When I switched to a production facility, I was stunned how all the science types in production cared about money. None of my former workers ever cared about money.

Money has no part in truth normally.

LOVE,

katerinah1947 · Dec 1, 2015

Hi,

I have seen the Adventist view. It is nice. I have seen the consensus view. I also would love to know what the unaldulterated science view is.

I will take the consensus view for now, but remember that Adventist's and others object to that. I believe if I am right, the age of the sun and the moon are both stated in both sets of terms.

What is there more to say now, when both those answers are here somewhere.

LOVE,

RickG · Dec 1, 2015

katerinah1947 said:
Hi,

Consensus to me is like Wikipedia in it's infancy, not now, as it is vastly better.

Thus, why you keep presenting it incorrectly. A scientific consensus is not an opinion expressed by a majority of scientists. A scientific consensus is what the majority of published peer review research on a specific issue agrees upon.

Armoured · Dec 1, 2015

AlexDTX said:
Yes, and there are fossils with organic material still in tact, which means they were fossilized recently. Likewise, in Glenn Rose, Texas there are human fossil footprints inside dinosaur fossil footprints.

So 98% of every species that ever lived went extinct in the last 6000 years? Strange no one noticed.

joshua 1 9 · Dec 1, 2015

Armoured said:
So 98% of every species that ever lived went extinct in the last 6000 years? Strange no one noticed.

"More than 99 percent of all species, amounting to over five billion species,[14] that ever lived on Earth are estimated to be extinct." Wiki

katerinah1947 · Dec 1, 2015

bhsmte said:
On the contrary, a scientist can become quite famous, by going against consensus, if they have the evidence, to show the consensus if wrong.

Hi,

It takes a high degree of honesty to be a high level researcher. Honesty and money are not compatible.

Yes, occasionally money comes to high end researchers. Mostly it does not. Look up Goddards richness.

You see he did not die rich. There are other examples.

LOVE,

katerinah1947 · Dec 1, 2015

RickG said:
Thus, why you keep presenting it incorrectly. A scientific consensus is not an opinion expressed by a majority of scientists. A scientific consensus is what the majority of published peer review research on a specific issue agrees upon.

Hi,

It's also why I don't want to use that word, that bhstme is trying to push on me. I don't even know what it is. I told him I hated that word. He pushes and he pushes.

Is it any wonder I made a mistake. Is that not what trial lawyers do? I am pushed till I make an error in something that I don't use normally and don't want to use. Then when he, or a trial lawyer gets his way, and I try and use the word, the first mistake I make with it discredits me.

I want to use, data and controlled experiments. I don't want to use terms I don't know about.

LOVE,

RickG · Dec 1, 2015

katerinah1947 said:
I want to use, data and controlled experiments. I don't want to use terms I don't know about.

Then let's apply that data and controlled experiments to the discussion and let's look at what the evidence suggests. Understand that science does not deal with proofs. Proofs are exclusive to mathematics. Science deals with where the evidence takes it and what it suggests.

Loudmouth · Dec 1, 2015

joshua 1 9 said:
Heliocentric goes back at least to Heraclides Ponticus around 350 BC.

It also contradicts the Bible, according to Bellarmine.

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