#WhitePeople: MTV Premieres Documentary on White Privilege in America

Hoshiyya said:

Since when ?

This sounds like such a massive exaggeration.

You have 4th of July every year in your country, how is that not a celebration of deeds done by Europeans ?
You have Columbus day over there.
He is claimed by no less than three European countries as "theirs".

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British, kiddo.

Doesn't really work as an example either. 4th July is about celebrating the independence of a nation. One that, despite its racial failings over the years, nonetheless is not definded as an explicitly white nation.

Gadarene said:

British, kiddo.

Doesn't really work as an example either. 4th July is about celebrating the independence of a nation. One that, despite its racial failings over the years, nonetheless is not definded as an explicitly white nation.

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Doesn't make a difference. Laddo.

Since when are you not "allowed" to be proud of deeds done by whites?
90% of people on TV are white, 90% of authors, politicians, fictional characters, etc etc etc. It is hard to name 5 cinema films without a white male lead.

The US is obviously a "white nation" (to borrow your term), at least as I define it.

Red Fox said:

If I may interject for a moment, perhaps you could look at these holidays from the perspective of a Native American.

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I'm not native American or european American or afro American or any kind of American - thank God !

Red Fox said:

Then perhaps your perspective of America is a little skewed.

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yeah we Xenos cannot understand you, Real Folk.

Maybe you should put an "Americans Only" tag on this thread, to prevent "the others" from cluttering up your thread with non-American opinions.

Red Fox said:

There's no need to be snide. If you feel that isn't a fair assessment, then please clarify, without being sarcastic.

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Clarify that... you don't need to be from a nation to comment on that nation ?

Have you ever spoken ONE WORD about a nation other than yours ?
Yeah, of course you have. You have spoken about nations you've never visited. We all have.

What you're doing is basically trying to "win" the debate by silencing others, when you say "your view is skewed". Hey, maybe your view is the skewed one ? Who knows.

U kidding me? to silence someone is to try to "win" against them.

When the knees start jerking, the issue often flies out the window doesn't it?

I fail to see what "pride" has to do with this subject. No one, as far as I can see, is denying anyone their "pride" of who they are. All that is being requested is the recognition that to be white entails a level of privilege that is not automatically enjoyed by black people. We aren't asked to be ashamed of this fact, we are asked to simply acknowledge that it exists!

SteveB28 said:

When the knees start jerking, the issue often flies out the window doesn't it?

I fail to see what "pride" has to do with this subject. No one, as far as I can see, is denying anyone their "pride" of who they are. All that is being requested is the recognition that to be white entails a level of privilege that is not automatically enjoyed by black people. We aren't asked to be ashamed of this fact, we are asked to simply acknowledge that it exists!

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I thought this topic is about the Native American?
Anyway, I respectfully disagree. Just because one is white does not give one privileges or even parts of privileges enjoyed by the privileged class. There were, are and always will be the Have and Have Not.
The reason I am not apologetic about my skin tone is because there is nothing I can do about it; nor was I part of discrimination of peoples with different skin tones let alone executed some of the known atrocities recorded in history.

Hoshiyya said:

Doesn't make a difference. Laddo.

Since when are you not "allowed" to be proud of deeds done by whites?
90% of people on TV are white, 90% of authors, politicians, fictional characters, etc etc etc. It is hard to name 5 cinema films without a white male lead.

The US is obviously a "white nation" (to borrow your term), at least as I define it.

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I'll make you a deal, I'll buy you a "WHITE PRIDE" shirt and you wear it ok? See how people react to it.

Red Fox said:

Thirdly, I made the comment about your perspective may be skewed because when I asked you to look at the two national holidays you previously mentioned from a Native American perspective...

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Actually, he did. That was kind of--in an indirect way--why he was suggesting those national holidays are "white holidays" so to speak.

I thought he articulated his positions quite well.

I'd disagree with the other person that it is always the case that persons of x nationality are always given preferential treatment above others not of that same x nationality irrespective of their visual phenotype, their race.

I was born in 1971, so, I'm old enough to have seen some of the ebb and flow of love and support of Mexicans, documented or undocumented, flooding into the USA for work inside the USA.

In the late '80s and early '90s the Republicans were in loooooooooove with Mexican labor coming from out of Mexico into the USA. Why so many Mexicans that couldn't read, write, speak in or understand English were being given unskilled American jobs over ethnic Black-American males was explained by the lunatic reasoning: "Eh, black people don't speak English properly enough and we need employees that speak proper English." Yeah, right. That's why you hire so many Mexicans that speak English so much worse than black males that they in fact can't speak English at all.

If you want to work in Chicago it is better to be born Mexican in Mexico City rather than be born black in Chicago. If you're a black male at least.

All of that said.... any human can suffer and face great obstacles. A great number of white people have and will just like they--and others of all other races--have since time immemorial.

In most ways--not all--nearly everyone on earth has it "easier" today than humans had it hundreds and thousands of years ago.

The kid in the Brazilian favela (slum basically) does. Unlike Jesus he has a house with electricity (likely stolen though), plays video games, has a system of running water, and has a modern computerized cellphone (which is a good technological leap over the lack of land-line telephone wiring in Brazil, and California alone has more than all of Latin America combined.) Back when Jesus was walking the earth even the rich were without these things.

However, the guy living in a Brazilian prison, at least in certain Brazilian prisons like Ary Franco, has it worse than the human beings hundreds of years ago that were incarcerated in the prisons of the Inquisition. The modern Brazilian prisoner in prisons like Ary Franco are living in apocalyptic nightmares. So hellish as to have been conceived and advanced by the person of Satan himself.

TerranceL said:

I'll make you a deal, I'll buy you a "WHITE PRIDE" shirt and you wear it ok? See how people react to it.

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Maybe the fact that that's historically a racist slogan used by white supremacists and the KKK might have something to do with how people would react?