#WhitePeople: MTV Premieres Documentary on White Privilege in America

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Red Fox

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Are you sure this is that much of a difference?

I'm sorry, but I don't understand what you mean.

White people are now blamed for every single racial problem ever,

I think that's a bit of an exaggeration, because while I know some minorities who are hostile toward white people, I also know some who aren't.

and those problems are often described as being on the shoulders of all white people.

I have to say the same about this assertion too.

Gadarene, if I may ask, did you watch the documentary posted in the original post?
 
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This has been my experience with being white as well I won't lie it's kinda nice.

If I may ask, as a friend, have you ever thought what it would be like for you if you were of another nationality, say African American or Native American?
 
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This has been my experience with being white as well I won't lie it's kinda nice.

Yeah it is nice. And not something I was aware of until years later.

While I'm known for being against feminism, I am much softer when it comes to racial issues. I hope it doesn't seem contradictory, lol.
 
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I am in Canada, and the Canadian Government officially apologized for their cruel treatments of First Nations, and followed through with corrective actions.
The healing process is not a instant affair though, and some wounds simply wont heal. One major issue is the culture. Whites formed government implementing white ideas, and those ideas simply clash with ideas from First Nations. So who is to submit? Whites becoming more like First Nations or First Nations governing as whites? This is where I, as a white, wrestle between what I want and what is fair.
 
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Are you sure this is that much of a difference? White people are now blamed for every single racial problem ever, and those problems are often described as being on the shoulders of all white people.

If white people weren't still holding KKK rallies this might be less of an issue. Have you read the comments on facebook. White people are crazy and openly racist often.
 
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If I may ask, as a friend, have you ever thought what it would be like for you if you were of another nationality, say African American or Native American?
I've thought long and hard on how to answer this...and the answer is...not really no I think it's one of thoese things where you don't have the context to understand even if you did attempt to imagine yourself in the situation.
 
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If white people weren't still holding KKK rallies this might be less of an issue. Have you read the comments on facebook. White people are crazy and openly racist often.

...seriously? On the internet every race is openly racist.
 
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The only openly racist people on my feed are all white. I have a lot of friends who are not white too.

Well your personal circle isn't necessarily representative of the entire internet. Go skim YouTube comments or even better...get into competitive online gaming...you'll find absolutely no respect for any race culture or creed.
 
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I tend to be mistrusting and somewhat defensive, especially if I know they are Christian too.

You shouldn't judge Christians based on the ignorant acts of a few. God doesn't discriminate, He loves all people regardless of race. If anyone looks down on you because of your ethnicity, they are doing something Jesus would not approve of.

You know Jesus Himself wasn't white, He was middle-eastern. His skin was probably dark/brown.
 
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If white people weren't still holding KKK rallies this might be less of an issue. Have you read the comments on facebook. White people are crazy and openly racist often.

People of every race are. Even if whites are worse for committing racism, that doesn't mean its right to ascribe collective responsibility to them, no more so than black criminals are the fault of black people as a whole.

Despite racism existing in every race, you'll find a surprising number of people who try to redefine what racism means so it's impossible for anyone other than white people to be racist.
 
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Yeah it is nice. And not something I was aware of until years later.

While I'm known for being against feminism, I am much softer when it comes to racial issues. I hope it doesn't seem contradictory, lol.

It's not really. There are issues that seriously impinge on men as men. The same isn't really true for white people.

At worst, the only issues that beset them are being unfairly singled out for racist acts and having collective responsibility foisted on them in ways that minority races wouldn't stand for. It's a fault most "equality" movements today seem to commit, but it's not a preexisting issue like men's issues are.
 
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You shouldn't judge Christians based on the ignorant acts of a few. God doesn't discriminate, He loves all people regardless of race. If anyone looks down on you because of your ethnicity, they are doing something Jesus would not approve of.

As I have said before, I know that not all Christians are like that, however, as I have also said, I think they are the exception and not the rule.

My life would have turned out to be a lot different if only some of His people didn't discriminate and loved all people regardless of race.

I can imagine what my life would have been like if only some of His people actually practiced what they preached.

You know Jesus Himself wasn't white, He was middle-eastern. His skin was probably dark/brown.

Yes, I'm aware of that.
 
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White people are crazy and openly racist often.

In all fairness, many Native Americans are openly racist and hostile toward white people on Facebook, especially in some of the groups there.

There are some full bloods who are racist against any mixed blood who is also white. As we know, racism definitely goes both ways.

There is a lot of resentment and hostility toward white people by many Native Americans. I think this is also true of other minority people.
 
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There is a lot of resentment and hostility toward white people by many Native Americans. I think this is also true of other minority people.
And not without historic reason.
 
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And not without historic reason.

Admittedly, I hold some innate animosity myself, not just because of the reason you gave, but also because of how I've been treated.

It is something that I have to some times struggle against and not allow it to take hold of my emotions and rule over me.
 
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Can't say I think much of the documentary.

I do think he's holding whites to a double standard compared to the non-whites featured - the non-whites weren't really picked up as much for their usage of stereotypes and outright racial slurs (I'm thinking of the bit in the Lakota school in particular). While Wounded Knee was horrific, I also wonder whether the history of the Lakota and other first nations are whiter than white (phrasing).

The bit with the girl who felt she'd been discriminated against on scholarships was downright aggravating. Even if the stats show whites are nationally at an overall advantage, that says nothing about the situation in her state, county, college. It was not shown that she was not discriminated against. And I found it interesting that she said it was her experience that she felt that way. If you're not white, and you feel oppressed, then in the realm of discussing racial equality today, that "lived experience" is sacrosanct. The treatment that white girl received was the complete opposite treatment many non-whites seem to expect in this arena - their claims of oppression are taken at face value. Any other mitigating or confounding factors are generally ignored. They feel oppressed, and how dare you whitesplain otherwise! Check your privilege!

I find it very telling that the one time a participant in that documentary was personally confronted with an actual statistic, it was towards a white person. Their claims of discrimination got scrutinised further.

This experiential focus muddies the waters - one of the "privileges" in the white privilege workshop that one of the participants read out was "not having to think twice about anything". Are they actually serious? The privileges he had posted were vague and wishy-washy, and couched in experiential language rather than facts. Plenty of those things apply to plenty of white people, but because the majority of cases may not happen to white people, their downside is ignored and it's spun as "privilege" instead.

I think the man running that course wasn't respectful of what his father experienced online - the simple fact is, concepts like privilege are very often wielded as weapons. They are wielded with the intent of making people feel ashamed and uncomfortable. As with the girl who felt discriminated against over her scholarship, they were simply told that it wasn't sensible for them to feel this way. No non-whites in the documentary were treated this way. For a guy they had pigeonholed as old, white, male (gasp!), conservative and a FOX news and Bill O'Reilly viewer (double gasp!) I thought it was quite interesting that he did try and research white privilege on his own initiative, and that he went along to the privilege workshop.

The lead-in to the segment on colour blindness was quite disingenuous IMO - Vargas asked his white audience do they notice the race of someone they're talking to. Most said no. This was used as a lead-in to stats about how white people think we should be colour-blind. The question he asked in the Q&A was provided without context. Did he mean how white people behave during an intellectual discussion amongst a group of old friends, or how they behave to someone they meet for the first time?

There were a few interesting points - I think it'd be great to have history classes from both the white and Lakota perspectives, and it's rather surprising that there weren't any Lakota teachers in that school. The Italian Brooklynite could very easily have taken a Chinese friend along with him to sort out the block party, I'm not entirely sure why he didn't, although maybe that in itself says something about the state of affairs in that neighbourhood.

But overall, I think while Vargas might want to get away from a dialogue on race he sees as simplistic, he's guilty of perpetuating the very thing he criticises. The fact is, these concepts like privilege massively oversimply things. I'm part Irish - as the typical stories go, the Irish claim to have been oppressed by the British for over eight centuries, they were nearly wiped out in the 19th century by circumstances imposed on them by the British, they also suffered slavery, relocation, dispossessed of property, etc.

Oh but hang on, both the English and Irish were white. So they both have white privilege. And that's the problem here.

Not that Ireland was systematically oppressed by Britain. Being white was no advantage for the Irish. They were still thought of as subhuman, less evolved, an inferior race. But reducing racism to interactions based on skin colour is a huge oversimplification, and it erases history like that between Britain and Ireland.

I think this is maybe a particularly American thing - not least in the specific racial dynamics involved. But equally, I feel like with race and gender, Britain is exporting a lot of biased, baseless and unnecessary neurosis from the US when it comes to race - hence my pushback against it.

(As an example, to answer the first Q&A questionI don't think of myself primarily as white. If you pushed me "Anglo-Irish" would probably cover it.)
 
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they tell me I am white and that i have "white privilege"..
my mom born in OKie/ red river during the dust bowl years and my family did starve.. they moved to CA and worked picking cotton and were looked down on by everyone including illegal mexicans.
my family all lived in tents.
so in reality I must have some kind of preceived okie tent privileges.
now days my hubby who's family was also okie and texas dust bowl " poor white trash" / part indians .. couldn't get help and his dad was disabled from birth . they couldn't any help for college and we payed back every dime of loans he got for college. 35 years of marriage and he worked his butt off and I farmed animals / gardened and homeschooled . Now days my house is on wheels and they call us "white trash" . and "real native americans" call me a wananabe. I was laughed at during my school years when I said my ancestors were native americans. but my sisters could pass easily as full blood but I was a dark skinned blond.
so people perceptions of races are stinkin ( poop-poop) and they can only see your dad and your mothers dad , that is all race is .. but that is not all you are. that has jack to do with your families life experiences and or your culture or your genetic inheritances or their history.

SO video is stupid and is just another way for people to be racists and justify it..
 
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