The EU, the kingdom partly strong, partly broken

Douggg said:

I understand what you are saying.... but the bible is not saying that.

There are not Antichrist 1, 2, and 3. Use the terms the bible uses. It is the same person all the way through, but as he progresses through bible prophecy, he is not the Antichrist all the way through. Only for the 3 1/2 years that the Jews embrace him (in error) as their King of Israel, is he the Antichrist.

For the other times, call the person what the bible calls him and you will be on the right track.

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Yes I agree the bible is speaks of one antichrist that will fulfill end time events who is the little horn the man of sin and son of perdition ...in my scenario.. he will be the final antichrist...


John said there are many antichrist....there have been many leaders who do not serve Christ but thier own agendas throughout history that can be called antichrists....

Douggg said in post 1:

No-one knows the identity of the Antichrist right now. He will come out of the EU, which is not in it's finally form yet of the ten leaders (King) form of "federalized" government.

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Note that the Antichrist could come out of the Middle East, instead of the EU. For in Daniel 7, the first 3 beasts (Daniel 7:3-6) represent the ancient empires of Babylon (lion), Medo-Persia (bear), and Greece (leopard). And the 4th beast, or 4th "king"/"kingdom" (Daniel 7:17,23), represents the ancient Roman empire. And the 10 horns/kings which come out of it (Daniel 7:7,24) could represent 10 major kingdoms/nations today which came out the former territory of the Roman empire, which consisted not only of Western Europe, but also the Middle East and North Africa. These 10 nations could be Germany, the U.K., France, Italy, Spain, Turkey, Egypt, Iraq, Algeria, and Syria. The 10 part-iron/part-clay toes of Daniel 2:42 could represent the same thing as the 10 horns of Daniel 7:7. The Europeans could be the iron, and the Arabs and Turks could be the clay. In Daniel 2:43, the inability of the iron to mix with the clay could represent how, for example, there are many Turks living in Germany, but they remain separated in ghettoes within German cities. Similarly, there are many Arab Algerians living in France, but they remain separated in ghettoes within French cities.

But despite this social separation, which could endure indefinitely, the people of Western Europe on the one hand and the people of the Middle East and North Africa on the other could still one day put aside their political separation and become united into one federation. For Daniel 2:42 refers to the 10 as a singular "kingdom". The person who brings this about could be the Antichrist. The arising of the "little" horn (Daniel 7:8, Daniel 8:9), which is "diverse" from the 10 major nations (Daniel 7:24), could mean that the Antichrist will arise from a little country.

And the little horn arising from "among" the 10 major nations (Daniel 7:8) could mean that the Antichrist's country's territory used to be part of the Roman empire. And before that, it was part of one of the 4 Diadochian Greek kingdoms which succeeded the Greek empire of Alexander the Great (Daniel 8:8-9,21-25). The territory of these 4 kingdoms stretched from Greece over to Iran, and down into Egypt. So the Antichrist could come from the Middle East. He could be an Arab who will come from the little country of Lebanon, from the modern city of Tyre (Ezekiel 28:2; 2 Thessalonians 2:4).

The Antichrist could start out by claiming to be a Baathist. After becoming the leader of Lebanon, he could peacefully gain control of a Baathist federation of 3 of the 10 major nations (Daniel 7:24): Egypt, "toward the south" of Lebanon (Daniel 8:9), and Iraq and Syria, "toward the east" of Lebanon (Daniel 8:9). This federation could also include the minor nation of a United Palestine, i.e. a defeated Israel, "the pleasant land" (Daniel 8:9).

This Baathist federation could be put together in the future by an Iraqi Baathist General who could completely defeat and occupy Israel and Egypt with a huge Iraqi Army (Daniel 11:15-17; in verse 17 the original Hebrew word translated as "daughter" is "bath"), but who could then mysteriously disappear (Daniel 11:19) shortly before the Antichrist arises on the world stage (Daniel 11:21-45). Years later, when the Antichrist gains control of all 10 of the major nations, he could appoint kings over them (Revelation 17:12) who will defer to him (Revelation 17:13), like when Napoleon gained control of different nations, he appointed kings over them who would defer to him.

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Douggg said in post 5:

From Revelation 17:10-11. the seven heads are seven kings of the 4th kingdom, Roman Empire, Julio Claudians

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The 7 heads of Revelation's "beast" in its empire aspect (Revelation 13:1, Revelation 17:3) represent 7 different empires (Revelation 17:9-10): Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece, Rome, and (possibly) Islam. The first 5 had fallen by the time of John the apostle in the 1st century AD: "five are fallen" (Revelation 17:10, Revelation 1:1b-2). The 6th (Rome) existed at the time of John: "one is" (Revelation 17:10). The 7th (possibly Islam) had not come by the time of John: "the other is not yet come" (Revelation 17:10). The empire of the Antichrist (the individual-man aspect of the beast) will be a different, still-future, 8th head (Revelation 17:11), which will be a revival of one of the 5 empires which had fallen by the time of John (Revelation 17:8,10,11). It will be a revival of the empire of Babylon. The Antichrist will transform the present-day, rebuilt city of Babylon (in Iraq) into the capital of his world empire, only to see his city of Babylon ultimately destroyed at Jesus' 2nd coming (Isaiah 13).

Before the 2nd coming, when the world is brought into the conscious and open worship of Lucifer (the dragon, Satan) and the Antichrist, during the Antichrist's future, literal 3.5-year worldwide reign (Revelation 13:4-18, Revelation 12:9), the Antichrist will build their main temple in the city of Babylon. For a temple to "wickedness" will be built in Shinar (Babylonia) (Zechariah 5:8,11), and the Antichrist is called "that Wicked" (2 Thessalonians 2:8). Also, the dragon has been the god worshipped in the city of Babylon since ancient times.

The Antichrist may claim to be Nebuchadnezzar returned, and so reinstitute the system which Nebuchadnezzar set up whereby everyone had to worship an image or be killed (Daniel 3, Revelation 13:15). The Antichrist may also claim to be, at the same time, the return of Nimrod (the founder of Babylon: Genesis 10:8-10), and Hammurabi, and Asoka, and other famous rulers of the past. For he may claim that he has had many different "past lives" as various "enlightened" rulers.

Besides building a main temple in Babylon, the Antichrist will also sit (at least one time) in a future, 3rd Jewish temple in Jerusalem, and declare himself God there (2 Thessalonians 2:4, Daniel 11:36,31, Matthew 24:15, Revelation 11:1-2). The Antichrist could also sit (at least one time) in other religions' holiest shrines, and declare himself to be God there as well. For example, he could also sit in Islam's Kaaba in Mecca, in the Sikhs' Golden Temple in Amritsar, in Catholicism's St. Peter's Basilica in the Vatican, etc.

Douggg said in post 12:

The person is the Antichrist (the perceived promised King of Israel) for only 3 1/2 years.

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"Anti"-Christ can simply refer to anyone who is "against" the true Christ, as in any "opponent of the Messiah" (Strong's Greek Dictionary, Word #500: antichristos), as in anyone who denies that Jesus is the Christ (1 John 2:22), or denies that Jesus is the human/divine Son of God (1 John 2:22b), or denies that Christ is in the flesh (2 John 1:7). The spirit of antichrist (1 John 4:3) has been working since the 1st century AD (2 Thessalonians 2:7), animating many antichrists since that time (1 John 2:18; 2 John 1:7).

Note that nothing requires that the Antichrist (the individual-man aspect of Revelation's "beast") will ever claim to be the Messiah/Christ. For his antichrist denial that Christ is in the flesh (1 John 4:3) will disqualify him as a mortal-flesh human (under his mistaken Gnostic doctrine) from being Christ. Instead, the non-mortal-flesh Lucifer (Satan, the dragon) could be the false Christ (i.e. the "Lucifer" Christ, and not the "Jesus" Christ: 1 John 2:22) during the Antichrist's future, literal 3.5-year worldwide reign (Revelation 13:4-18, Revelation 12:9), which will be in the latter half of the future tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24.

But none of this means that there won't also be multiple, human false Christs who will arise during the tribulation (Matthew 24:24), including one who will be an ultra-Orthodox Jewish false Christ/Messiah. For shortly after the start of the tribulation, the Antichrist could "cut" a peace treaty with an ultra-Orthodox Jewish false "Messiah" (Daniel 9:26a, Daniel 11:22-23a) in Israel, promising this false Messiah and his ultra-Orthodox Jewish followers that they can keep for at least 7 years (Daniel 9:27a) a 3rd Jewish temple (Revelation 11:1) which they will have built on the Temple Mount in Jerusalem.

That is, in Daniel 9:26, the original Hebrew word (karath: H3772) translated as "cut off" can refer to when a peace treaty/covenant is "made" (Genesis 21:27). The 1st century AD fulfillment of Daniel 9:26a was at the Crucifixion, when the true Messiah, Jesus, made the New Covenant (Matthew 26:28, Hebrews 9:15-17). The future fulfillment of Daniel 9:26a will be when the Antichrist makes a peace treaty, which will be a fulfillment of the covenant in Daniel 9:27 and the league in Daniel 11:23, with a future, ultra-Orthodox Jewish false Messiah in Jerusalem, after he and his followers are defeated by the Antichrist (Daniel 11:22-23). So the future fulfillment of Daniel 9:26a can refer to this false Messiah being "cut off" in the sense of being "covenanted", peace-treatied.

This treaty will allow this false Messiah and his followers to keep a 3rd Jewish temple which they will have built on Jerusalem's Temple Mount (after they or great earthquakes have destroyed the Muslim structures there), and to (mistakenly) continue to perform the daily Mosaic animal sacrifices in front of the temple for at least 7 years (Daniel 9:27a), so long as they give up the outer court of the temple (Revelation 11:2a) to the Muslims so that the Muslims can rebuild the (by that time destroyed) Al Aqsa Mosque on the southern end of the Temple Mount and resume worship there. After "cutting" this treaty (Daniel 9:26a), the Antichrist could appear before the "many" (Daniel 9:27) nations represented at the U.N. General Assembly, and "confirm" (Daniel 9:27) that for at least 7 years he will keep this treaty with the ultra-Orthodox Jews in Jerusalem, using this as purported proof to the world that he is (in his words) "a man of peace, and no Hitler".

In Daniel 9:27, "he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease" refers to when, only some 3.5 years after making the peace treaty of Daniel 9:26a,27a and Daniel 11:23a, the Antichrist will break the treaty, attack the 3rd temple, stop the daily Mosaic animal sacrifices, place the abomination of desolation (possibly a standing, android image of the Antichrist) in the holy place (the inner sanctum) of the temple (Daniel 9:27b, Daniel 11:31, Matthew 24:15), and then sit himself (at least one time) in the temple and proclaim himself God (2 Thessalonians 2:4, Daniel 11:36). Thus could begin the Antichrist's literal, 3.5-year Luciferian (Satanic) worldwide reign of terror (Revelation 13:4-18, Revelation 12:9; 2 Thessalonians 2:9).

At the very end of the future tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24, the Antichrist (Daniel 11:45) and the world's armies will pillage Jerusalem right before Jesus' 2nd coming (Zechariah 14:2-21). And at the 2nd coming, there will be tremendous earth changes in the vicinity of Jerusalem (Zechariah 14:4-5). These events could result in all of Jerusalem's structures, including the 3rd temple and the Wailing Wall (also called the Western Wall), being broken down so that not one stone will be left on another (Luke 19:44, Matthew 24:2). Then the returned Jesus (Zechariah 14:4, Acts 1:11-12) will rebuild Jerusalem and make it the capital of the world (Zechariah 14:8-19, Micah 4:1-4). He will also build a 4th temple there (Zechariah 14:20-21, Zechariah 6:12-13). It will serve a similar function for the church during the future millennium (of Revelation 20:4-6) as the 2nd temple served for the church in the 1st century AD (Luke 24:53, Acts 2:46, Acts 22:17), and as the temple building in heaven (Revelation 11:19) serves for those in heaven (Revelation 7:15).

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Douggg said in post 37:

The prince who shall come is from the people who destroyed the sanctuary and temple, the Romans.

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In the 1st century AD fulfillment of Daniel 9:26b, Jerusalem was destroyed in 70 AD by Roman-empire soldiers from nations throughout the Roman empire (which included the territory of modern-day Lebanon). These soldiers were "the people" in Daniel 9:26, their "prince" being Titus. In the future fulfillment of Daniel 9:26b, Jerusalem will be destroyed by all nations of the earth, which will all be under the Antichrist's rule by that time (Revelation 13:7b), when they gather against Jerusalem right before Jesus' 2nd coming (Zechariah 14:2-21).

And just as "the city" in Daniel 9:26 is Jerusalem, so "the sanctuary" is the Jewish temple building in Jerusalem. In the 1st century AD fulfillment of Daniel 9:26b, the 2nd Jewish temple was destroyed in 70 AD by Roman-empire soldiers. In the future fulfillment of Daniel 9:26b, a future, 3rd Jewish temple (Revelation 11:1-2, Matthew 24:15, Daniel 11:31,36; 2 Thessalonians 2:4) will be destroyed along with the rest of Jerusalem (Matthew 24:2, Luke 19:44), when Jerusalem is pillaged by all nations of the earth right before Jesus' 2nd coming to save and restore Jerusalem (Zechariah 14:2-21).

Douggg said in post 37:

Turkey is one of the Gog/Magog countries in Ezekiel 38/39. There are 7 years following Gog/Magog in Ezekiel 39, which are the 7 years of Daniel 9:26-37. Then the Armageddon feast in Ezekiel 39:17-20. Gog/Magog ends the Islamic factor, before the 7 years begin.

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Note that the Gog/Magog attack on Israel (Ezekiel chapters 38-39) won't occur until after the future millennium (Revelation 20:7-10), when there will be no defensive walls or fear of attack in Israel whatsoever (Ezekiel 38:11). This is the exact opposite of today's situation, when Israel is filled with very high defensive walls and is in constant fear of attack. At the beginning of the millennium, all present-day weapons of war throughout the world will be destroyed and they won't be allowed to be remade during the millennium (Micah 4:3-4). That is why after the millennium, the Gog/Magog armies will employ only rudimentary, wooden weapons like bows and arrows, spears, shields, and clubs (Ezekiel 39:9), which, after the defeat of the Gog/Magog armies, will be able to be used as convenient firewood by the people living in Israel at that time, instead of them having to go out and collect or cut down firewood from the forest (Ezekiel 39:10).

The Gog in Revelation 20:8 is the same as in Ezekiel chapters 38-39: an individual human whose personal name is "Gog" (Ezekiel 38:3). He will be the chief leader of a future country which will form somewhere north of Israel (Ezekiel 39:2, Ezekiel 38:15), and which will be called "Magog" (Ezekiel 38:2). It will include at least 2 major cities and/or tribes which will be called "Meshech" and "Tubal" (Ezekiel 38:2). This country could come into existence during the millennium. Gog could be born near the end of the millennium, and he will be killed and buried at the end of the Gog/Magog event (Ezekiel 39:11).

Both accounts of the event show that the Gog/Magog armies will ultimately be completely defeated by miraculous fire from heaven (Ezekiel 38:22, Revelation 20:9). While the great white throne judgment (Revelation 20:11-15) will occur subsequent to the Gog/Magog event (Revelation 20:7-15), nothing requires (as is sometimes claimed) that the great white throne judgment has to happen immediately after that event. For there will be at least 7 years (Ezekiel 39:9b) between the end of that event and the great white throne judgment.

Also, the Gog/Magog attack won't have to (as is sometimes claimed) involve only the nations listed in Ezekiel chapters 38-39. Those nations could be just a sampling. For the "nations" (ethnos), or peoples, who will be involved in the Gog/Magog attack will come from all over the earth (Revelation 20:8). They will still be physically part of Jesus' worldwide kingdom, still legally under his rule, just as they had been during the preceding millennium (Psalms 72:8-11, Psalms 66:3, Psalms 2). But after the millennium, they will be deceived by Satan into committing the attack (Revelation 20:7-10).

Also, while the Gog/Magog attack on Israel won't occur until after the future millennium (Revelation 20:7-10, Ezekiel chapters 38-39), Israel could suffer a different attack before the millennium, at the start of the future tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24, which attack could result in Israel's total defeat and occupation (Daniel 11:15-17).

And Jerusalem could be attacked and totally defeated in the future at least 3 times before the millennium: once near the start of the future tribulation (Daniel 11:22), then again mid-tribulation (Daniel 11:31), and then at the tribulation's end (Daniel 11:45), right before Jesus' 2nd coming and the start of the millennium (Zechariah 14:2-21).

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Douggg said in post 43:

The person who becomes the little horn, leader of the EU will be a Jew in order to fulfill the prophecies of the person as later down the road, he becomes the Antichrist.

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Note that the Antichrist (the individual-man aspect of Revelation's "beast"), during his future, literal 3.5-year worldwide reign (Revelation 13:5-18), won't support Judaism in its past and current form, insofar as Judaism worships YHWH (Deuteronomy 6:4-5), while the Antichrist will utterly revile YHWH (Daniel 11:36, Revelation 13:5). And Judaism rejects Lucifer/Satan as being evil (Zechariah 3:2, Isaiah 14:12), while the Antichrist will bring the world into the conscious and open worship of Lucifer/Satan (the dragon) (Revelation 13:4, Revelation 12:9). And Judaism forbids the worship of any images (Leviticus 26:1), while the Antichrist will have an image made of himself to be worshipped (Revelation 13:15).

Regarding the idea of the Antichrist being Jewish by blood, both his parents could be Arabs (if his mother wasn't impregnated by Satan). But from some long-ago ancestor, the Antichrist could also have some Jewish blood in him, from the tribe of Dan (Genesis 49:17), which could be the reason that the tribe of Dan isn't included in the 12 tribes of the 144,000 (Revelation 7:4-8; there, "Joseph" stands for Ephraim: Numbers 1:32, Psalms 78:67, Ezekiel 37:16b,19).

The Antichrist could have grown up as a Druze Arab, in Lebanon, in the modern city of Tyre (Ezekiel 28:2; 2 Thessalonians 2:4). So he could at first present himself to the world as being of the (quasi-Islamic) Druze religion, which is waiting for the 2nd coming of a God-man named Hakim. The Antichrist's last name could be Hakim, and he could at first present himself to the Druze people as the fulfillment of the 2nd coming of this God-man. In this way, he could get the Druze to support him without question during an initial rise to power among the Arabs. The Druze Arabs could be the numerically "small people" of Daniel 11:23. The Antichrist could make them his completely-devoted bodyguard, and buy them many key positions of power within a future United Arab States (which the Antichrist could become the leader of in the first stage of his world takeover), and employ the Druze as loyal spies and assassins at every level of his United Arab government and military.

The Druze religion is very secretive. What it teaches to its higher-level initiates isn't even taught to its lower-level initiates. What it could teach to its higher-level initiates could basically be Gnosticism mixed in with the Hakim God-man idea. The Antichrist himself, while outwardly a Druze, could inwardly be a Gnostic Luciferian. He could be a highest-level initiate of a worldwide secret society which ultimately teaches Gnostic Luciferianism, but keeps this a secret even from its own members who haven't been initiated into its highest level.

Douggg said in post 43:

To play the role of the mashiach, he will have to reinstitute the commemorative reading as required by Deuteronomy 31:11-13, which essentially confirms the Mt. Sinai covenant that the promised land belongs to the Children of Israel forever. In the text of that passage, it has to be done on a 7 year cycle. Hence the confirming of the covenant for 7 years in Daniel 9:26.

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Deuteronomy 31:10-11 refers only to the reading of the Old Covenant Mosaic law as it was given in the entire book of Deuteronomy (Deuteronomy 31:12b, Deuteronomy 28:58, Deuteronomy 27:26, Nehemiah 8), and only "at the end" of 7 years, meaning at the end of every 7 years, and only while the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law was still in effect (it was abolished on the Cross: Ephesians 2:15-16).

Note that this has nothing to do with Daniel 9:27a, which includes reference to one particular, future, man-made peace treaty/covenant (Daniel 9:26a, Daniel 11:22-23a) being confirmed at the start of one particular, future 7-year period.

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The view of the Muslim Middle East that is partly strong and partly broken .... not Europe

[Psalms 83; Ezekiel 38;39; Daniel 2:34-35; 2:40-43; 7:7-25; 8:9-25; 9:26-27 [the other prince]; 11:36-45; 12:7; Joel 2:20; Micah 5:5-6; 2 Thessalonians 2:8-12; Revelation 9:11; 11:2; 11:7; 13:1-4; 17:8-18]

The focus of the prophetic verses is always upon Israel and the Middle East with the same identifiers of the region's populations continuously from the post flood settlements to the end if this present age out in front of us

The topic is not changed .... just corrected

.... and no I will not start another thread

All nations were generated from the flood forward and further migrations out of the region have obviously occurred .... however, today's populations that remained after the flood are still indigenous .... mixed, factional, Muslim, and all enemies of Israel

The other outward nations are not identified, not named, and not a part of the scope of the prophetic visions of the kingdoms of the Middle East .... all of the Middle Eastern populations are identified and named by original lineage in the visions

The ancient Roman Empire is recorded in scripture as a matter of recorded history, and not a part of any prophet's vision

This empire's predecessor is not there either .... the term "Grecia" is applied to the northern division of Alexander the Great's conquest of the Middle East [Daniel 8:8-9] over which he never ruled [and neither did Athens] .... and the populations of the same were still the same as they are today .... nothing has changed

Revelation does give an account of MBG as including all of lost humanity on a grand scale at the time of the end by the Lord's view of the same .... but it is Israel and the Middle East that are the focus of the prophecies

The Lord has done this in order to identify the place where He will personally and visibly return to the earth at the ending of the coming tribulation of His judgment of an unbelieving world [MBG]

The place where the great controversy over Jerusalem between Israel [Issac/Jacob vs Ishmael/Esau] the surrounding populations of the Muslims exists, past, present, and future

And this is the very reason why a remnant part of Israel has returned to the land .... the stage is currently being set for the coming 70th week decreed for Israel [the time of Jacob's trouble] [Jeremiah 30; Psalms 83; Ezekiel 38; 39; Zechariah 12; 14; Matthew 24; Luke 21:20-36; Revelation 12]

At the time of the end of this present age it will be the same setting with regard to the king of the north and the king of the south .... and this time the king of the north [the little horn of Daniel's visions] will conquer the king of the south [Egypt] and add it to his kingdom [Daniel 11:40; 11:42-43]

Antiochus IV the past king of the north [of the Seleucid dynasty] was never able to conquer Egypt [Daniel 11:21-35]

Then the vision jumps to the end of this present age [Daniel 11:36-45; 12:7] and the human little horn will rise in the north parts of the Middle East .... not Europe or some other western civilization

There is nothing recorded within the scope of the visions of any prophet over the past 2000 years and all are silent .... and it is not until the beginning of the 70th week decreed for Israel still pending that the visions resume with related details

Douggg said:

It is better to say one person, the person, who fulfills the little horn, the man of sin, son of perdition.... because the person is the Antichrist only while he is thought of as the King of Israel. You are actually misusing the word in your scenario.

There is no such thing as the "final" antichrist. I heard hal lindsey say that term "final antichrist" on a youtube video just the other day - I chastised him heavily speaking at my computer monitor - but I don't think it sunk in . Really, I would like to sit down one on one with guys like Hal Lindsey, Jack Van Impe, John McArthur and explain to them each the the errors in their teachings.

It has been often used to accuse different persons throughout history as the Antichrist - but that is a misuse of the word by them who are not really aware of what the term requires that the person be. And none of those so-called " the Antichrist"s were ever the King of Israel instead of Jesus the rightful King of Israel.

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I'm misusing of the word antichrist?... ok

Well bro when the false messianic age comes and all the world is under its absolute power....and peace and safety seems to have been acomplished....then the true signs will take place and will open the eyes of those who were blinded by falsehood....

I think if the scenario you believe will happen took place and you thought Jesus returns after ....you will not bow to this man who will be an imposter...if you follow the true messiah...you will not worship a man...our messiah is not a man but a son of God our messiah is God...

"Please don't divert this thread"


I am giving the contrast and correct rendering of the same

So there is no diversion, but directly related material

Teaching the prophetic visions correctly is what one must do [2 Peter 1:16 -21] .... the prophets alone give the accurate picture upon which one must teach

Not one prophet presents ancient Rome, or a revived end time European setting of the same in their visions .... it is simply not there

Your reformation based interpretation is speculative by inserting Rome and Europe into the visions

This was done by the early reformers who did not understand the visions and their ideas were based upon their separation from the RCC and the circumstances in Europe their day

Here is an example of your similar approach:

Daniel 11:40 ... 42 is a prophecy about a northern Middle Eastern leader who will conquer Egypt during the coming tribulation period

This king will also invade Israel at the time

You will say that the king of the north is of European origin and that the king of the south at the time must be someone else


All related visionary prophecy has Israel in the setting between the kingdom of the north and the kingdom of the south .... both in the past, and in the future .... both in the Middle East

Nothing has changed with respect to this truth

Today's setting speaks of this very same relationship coming and the corresponding presentation of the Bible prophets' agree

I am telling why no Euro-Centeric idea is in the prophetic scriptures .... I just gave a number of the reasons

And I could give many more of the same

It is simply not given within the scope of the prophetic visions .... period

.... and the prophetic visions are never wrong .... and certainly not "theories"

It is significant to teach correctly and there is a way, and only one .... there are also many failed renderings

When unsaved people see the many different presentations and views, the validity of the very Word of the Lord and what it claims to be is in question ... and the conclusion is that they want no part of it

Make certain you that know what your doing because false teaching [knowingly, or unknowingly] comes with a high price to pay .... for the teacher, and for those who look on

I don't have time for redundancy Doug

Douggg said:

It has been often used to accuse different persons throughout history as the Antichrist - but that is a misuse of the word by them who are not really aware of what the term requires that the person be. And none of those so-called " the Antichrist"s were ever the King of Israel instead of Jesus the rightful King of Israel.

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Here are the 4 scriptures that contain the entire explicit biblical teaching on antichrist.

Feel free to show us where in these scriptures the "term antichrist" requires it MUST be applied to a "king of Israel" in order for the term not to be "misused":

1 John 2:18 Little children, it is the last hour; and as you have heard that the Antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come, by which we know that it is the last hour.

1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist who denies the Father and the Son.

1 John 4:3 and every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God. And this is the spirit of the Antichrist, which you have heard was coming, and is now already in the world.

2 John 1:7 For many deceivers have gone out into the world who do not confess Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.