The EU, the kingdom partly strong, partly broken

[Brian45]

Who cares about Turkey? Turkey is not part of the EU. The prince who shall come is from the people who destroyed the sanctuary and temple, the Romans. Rome is in Italy. Italy is in the EU. It is one of the weaker countries..

Yes 5 of the toes on one of the feet on only one of the legs would possibly be European , but there "IS" another leg , another foot and another 5 toes to consider Douggg.

For some strange reason when people look for 10 nations in the 4th or Roman empire they tend to look at Europe only , and yet if you look at a map of the Roman empire it's a huge empire and encompasses many of what today are Islamic nations and not just European.

I don't have all the answers but I believe there is more to this story than just Europe , as Daniels statue shows. Funny how we don't seem to have any problems when it comes to the two arms of the statue and yet when we get to the two legs we got problems. Two legs is two legs Douggg and not one. It's not just ten toes it's 5 + 5 which then equals 10.

 

[Interplanner]

Nor is that vision about modern times. It was about the 4th in a row kingdom when the kingdom of God would appear without human hands, and has been reigning that way ever since.

 

[Douggg]

who is this Prince?...please explain more I'm not following you..how will he be accepted by the Jewish people ?....he will be a Jew?

This is what I don't mind and am willing to explain as much as necessary til you do get it.

The person who becomes the little horn, leader of the EU will be a Jew in order to fulfill the prophecies of the person as later down the road, he becomes the Antichrist.

Daniel 7 is about the person first emerging on the public scene as the little horn. The person becomes the leader of Europe.

In Daniel 8, after the person has been the leader of Europe for a while as the little horn, in Daniel 8:23 it says he "stands up" which is a figure of speech for saying he prepares for war.

In Daniel 8:9, he comes with a strong army to Israel from the direction of Greece, which is the eastern most country of the EU.

So we have to ask "who is he preparing for war against?" It says in Daniel 8 that he destroys many by peace. So peace is the pretense of his preparing for war. What war?

In Ezekiel 38/39, the muslims and Russia will combine to invade Israel, a unmatched invasion the size of it. The little horn will intend to either occupy Israel before Gog/Magog can materialize, although the armies are assembling, or as a posturing move in hopes of a show of force is enough to cause the muslim/russians to think twice.

Well, it ends up that Gog/Magog attacks and it is God Himself who supernaturally destroys them.

Now the little horn, leader of Europe, a superstate desperately in need for control of oil, will seize the opportunity to move into the region and take over all the oil securing it with their military - that is what is in it for the 10 kings of Europe, not that they are so supportive Israel. But the little horn will be a Jew, so it will be important to him personally to look out for Israel's survival.

When the little horn arrives in Israel and the middle east with his EU army, post Gog/Magog, he will do so as the prince who shall come in Daniel 9:26.

Although the leader of the EU superstate, he is called a prince because he has not yet been anointed (by the false prophet assumingly) as the king of Israel - Judaism anticipated mashiach, but in real terms the Antichrist.

So with all Israel's Gog/Magog enemies destroyed, the Jews will think the time of the messianic age has arrived - but there is the matter of the mashiach himself. Which the little horn will appear to them to fit the bill.

The little horn will have such a huge ego, because of his success in all areas, including becoming the leader of Europe - he himself will fancy himself as the Jewish mashiach. And will play the role.

But underlying his success is his secret involvement in the occult (kabbalah), as it says in Daniel 8, his success will not be in his own power.

24 And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people.

To play the role of the mashiach, he will have to reinstitute the commemorative reading as required by Deuteronomy 31:11-13, which essentially confirms the Mt. Sinai covenant that the promised land belongs to the Children of Israel forever. In the text of that passage, it has to be done on a 7 year cycle. Hence the confirming of the covenant for 7 years in Daniel 9:26.

Anointed as the King of Israel, the former little horn, who became the prince who shall come, operates as the King of Israel for about 3 1/2 years, causing the Jews to say and think peace, peace.... but there will be no long term peace during this false messianic age.....

Because near the middle of the 7 years, because of his occult involvement, the person will think he has achieved God-hood and goes into the temple to commit the heinous act of claiming to be God.

Which that will mortify the Jews that their mashiach would do such a thing and they will drop him as their king like a hot potato. The man of sin, as he as just revealed himself, will be enraged by their rejection and will persecute the Jews until the day that Jesus returns to rescue them.

So hopefully, you can see the false messiah age, as that first 3 1/2 years of the 7 years. The second 3 1/2 years, the person is no longer embraced by the Jews as their messiah, and it will be a time of trouble unmatched in history.

 

[dfw69]

This is what I don't mind and am willing to explain as much as necessary til you do get it.

The person who becomes the little horn, leader of the EU will be a Jew in order to fulfill the prophecies of the person as later down the road, he become the Antichrist.

Daniel 7 is about the person first emerging on the public scene as the little horn. The person becomes the leader of Europe.

In Daniel 8, after the person has been the leader of Europe for a while as the little horn, in Daniel 8:23 it says he "stands up" which is a figure of speech for saying he prepares for war.

In Daniel 8:9, he comes with a strong army to Israel from the direction of Greece, which is the eastern most country of the EU.

So we have to ask "who is he preparing for war against?" It says in Daniel 8 that he destroys many by peace. So peace is the pretense of his preparing for war. What war?

In Ezekiel 38/39, the muslims and Russia will combine to invade Israel, a unmatched invasion the size of it. The little horn will intend to either occupy Israel before Gog/Magog can materialize, although the armies are assembling, or as a posturing move in hopes of a show of force is enough to cause the muslim/russians to think twice.

Well, it ends up that Gog/Magog attacks and it is God Himself who supernaturally destroys them.

Now the little horn, leader of Europe, a superstate desperately in need for control of oil, will seize the opportunity to move into the region and take over all the oil securing it with their military - that is what is in it for the 10 kings of Europe, not that they are so supportive Israel. But the little horn will be a Jew, so it will be important to him personally to look out for Israel's survival.

When the little horn arrives in Israel and the middle east with his EU army, post Gog/Magog, he will do so as the prince who shall come in Daniel 9:26.

Although the leader of the EU superstate, he is called a prince because he has not yet been anointed (by the false prophet assumingly) as the king of Israel - Judaism anticipated mashiach, but in real terms the Antichrist.

So with all Israel's enemies destroyed, the Jews will think the time of the messianic age has arrived - but there is the matter of the mashiach himself. Which the little horn will appear to them to fit the bill.

The little horn will have such a huge ego, because of his success in all areas, including becoming the leader of Europe - he himself will fancy himself as the Jewish mashiach. And will play the role.

But underlying his success is his secret involvement in the occult (kabbalah), as it says in Daniel 8, his success will not be in his own power.

24 And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people.

To play the role of the mashiach, he will have to reinstitute the commemorative reading as required by Deuteronomy 31:11-13, which essentially confirms the Mt. Sinai covenant that the promised land belongs to the Children of Israel forever. In the text of that passage, it has to be done on a 7 year cycle. Hence the confirming of the covenant for 7 years in Daniel 9:26.

Anointed as the King of Israel, the former little horn, who became the prince who shall come, operates as the King of Israel for about 3 1/2 years, causing the Jews to say and think peace, peace.... but there will be no long term peace during this false messianic age.....

Because near the middle of the 7 years, because of his occult involvement, the person will think he has achieved God-hood and goes into the temple to commit the heinous act of claiming to be God.

Which that will mortify the Jews that their mashiach would do such a thing and they will drop him as their king like a hot potato. The man of sin, as he as just revealed himself, will be enraged by their rejection and will persecute the Jews until the day that Jesus returns to rescue them.

So hopefully, you can see the false messiah age, as that first 3 1/2 years of the 7 years. The second 3 1/2 years, the person is no longer embraced by the Jews as their messiah, and it will be a time of trouble unmatched in history.

Will he rebuild the temple and make an idol of himself?..who will be the false prophet?

 

[Douggg]

Yes 5 of the toes on one of the feet on only one of the legs would possibly be European , but there "IS" another leg , another foot and another 5 toes to consider Douggg.

For some strange reason when people look for 10 nations in the 4th or Roman empire they tend to look at Europe only , and yet if you look at a map of the Roman empire it's a huge empire and encompasses many of what today are Islamic nations and not just European.

The feet and toes are all European. The other eastern and southern (north Africa) countries of the former Roman empire make up the Gog/Magog countries, which are not part of the Daniel 2 statue image.

I don't have all the answers but I believe there is more to this story than just Europe , as Daniels statue shows. Funny how we don't seem to have any problems when it comes to the two arms of the statue and yet when we get to the two legs we got problems. Two legs is two legs Douggg and not one. It's not just ten toes it's 5 + 5 which then equals 10.

If you go to Revelation 17:17 the ten kings have ONE kingdom to pledge to the beast. It is not 5 + 5. But ten. There is no split of the ten into two 5's anywhere in bible prophecy.


16 And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the harlot, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.
17 For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.

 

[Douggg]

Will he rebuild the temple and make an idol of himself?..who will be the false prophet?

There are some options on the rebuilding of the temple. Some think that it could be built (or started to being built parallel to the dome - which would have to be the case prior to Gog/Magog.

After Gog/Magog, the dome could simply be bulldozed away and a quickly erected bare bones temple be built (minimum requirements for the Holy and Holy of Holies place, a smallish 15 x30 feet using the pattern of the tent tabernacle in the Exodus) to quickly restart the animal sacrifices.

Which those sacrifices will have to be reinstituted on day 220 after the covenant is confirmed, to provide room for the 2300 days of Daniel 8 of the sacrifices beginning again, then stopped, as the transgression of the covenant takes in the middle of the 7 years.

Which means that there is just not time available in prophecy for an elaborate grand temple to be constructed under the Antichrist's reign as the King of Israel. But there will be a minimum sized temple built (or finished) in that first 220 days.

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The image of the person is later down the road, after his stint as the Antichrist, King of Israel. Once the person claims to be God and moves into his period as the beast in Revelation 13, the false prophet will have the image made of him that everyone will be required to worship.

The false prophet will be a Jew living in Israel who the Jews will initially believe is Elijah. He is unlikely to surface until the little horn arrives in Israel right after Gog/Magog.

He will later claim to be high priest (for the beast), but his agenda will be that of Satan, as he has the world make the image of the beast.

 

[Danoh]

Dougg, not that you'll consider this...

But consider what becomes of what you are laying out were you to consider that the Mystery "hid IN GOD," Eph. 3:9, til first revealed to and thru the Apostle Paul, 1 Tim. 1 & Titus 1 & Titus 3, interrupted the last week of Daniel 9's timeline...Acts 15; Romans 9-11; Gal. 2; 2 Thess. 2: 2; 2 Peter 3, et al, in light of Romans 16:25, 26, in contrast to Acts 3:21.

Romans 16: 25's "KEPT SECRET since the world began" in contrast to Acts 3:21's "SPOKEN... since the world began."

 

[Douggg]

Dougg, not that you'll consider this...

But consider what becomes of what you are laying out were you to consider that the Mystery "hid IN GOD," Eph. 3:9, til first revealed to and thru the Apostle Paul, Titus 1 & Titus 3, interrupted the last week of Daniel 9's timeline...Acts 15; Romans 9-11; Gal. 2; 2 Thess. 2: 2; 2 Peter 3, et al, in light of Romans 16:25, 26, in contrast to Acts 3:21.

Romans 16: 25's "KEPT SECRET since the world began" in contrast to Acts 3:21's "SPOKEN... since the world began."

Please repackage your post in clear simple language in a new post, without the references, so I can have an idea what you are saying.

 

[Douggg]

Nor is that vision about modern times. It was about the 4th in a row kingdom when the kingdom of God would appear without human hands, and has been reigning that way ever since.

Inter, you have nothing to contribute in this thread. Please drop out.

 

[Danoh]

Inter, you have nothing to contribute in this thread. Please drop out.

Lol; ain't that the truth [unfortunately].

 

[Danoh]

Please repackage your post in clear simple language in a new post, without the references, so I can have an idea what you are saying.

Let me try this first - the link below shows how things would have played out but for Paul's Mystery.

http://www.forgottentruths.com/foldoutbiblechart.aspx

The second example of the chart shows how things play out in light of the Mystery's interruption.

The Mystery "hid IN GOD," thus, NOT known by either the Angel Gabriel, nor by Daniel.

 

[dfw69]

There are some options on the rebuilding of the temple. Some think that it could be built (or started to being built parallel to the dome - which would have to be the case prior to Gog/Magog.

After Gog/Magog, the dome could simply be bulldozed away and a quickly erected bare bones temple be built (minimum requirements for the Holy and Holy of Holies place, a smallish 15 x30 feet using the pattern of the tent tabernacle in the Exodus) to quickly restart the animal sacrifices.

Which those sacrifices will have to be reinstituted on day 220 after the covenant is confirmed, to provide room for the 2300 days of Daniel 8 of the sacrifices beginning again, then stopped, as the transgression of the covenant takes in the middle of the 7 years.

Which means that there is just not time available in prophecy for an elaborate grand temple to be constructed under the Antichrist's reign as the King of Israel. But there will be a minimum sized temple built (or finished) in that first 220 days.

__________________________________________________________

The image of the person is later down the road, after his stint as the Antichrist, King of Israel. Once the person claims to be God and moves into his period as the beast in Revelation 13, the false prophet will have the image made of him that everyone will be required to worship.

The false prophet will be a Jew living in Israel who the Jews will initially believe is Elijah. He is unlikely to surface until the little horn arrives in Israel right after Gog/Magog.

He will later claim to be high priest (for the beast), but his agenda will be that of Satan, as he has the world make the image of the beast.

And no doubt 2 witnesses come against all this as also 144000 Jews ...And all the signs of revelation...

I seriously doubt your scenario will play out brother Doug...and if it somehow did ....Jesus will not be the one ruling from Jerusalem....But a false messiah....though many will believe Jesus has returned after a scenario such as yours....yet he will in fact not be Jesus...But an imposter ...imo....

But I'm wondering....what do you believe Jesus will do when he finally arrives....how will he rule the world?....what laws will he make?...Will Jesus built the temple?....what will happen during the messianic age of the true Christ?

 

[5thKingdom]

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Go watch some Nigel Farage videos on You Tube of him addressing the EU parliment. Then come back and talk to me. Right now, you are clueless.

Nigel Farage is NOT an expert on Biblical Eschatology.... I am.

And the European "project" is not part of Biblical prophecy... you pretend.


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[Douggg]

And no doubt 2 witnesses come against all this as also 144000 Jews ...And all the signs of revelation...

I seriously doubt your scenario will play out brother Doug...and if it somehow did ....Jesus will not be the one ruling from Jerusalem....But a false messiah....though many will believe Jesus has returned after a scenario such as yours....yet he will in fact not be Jesus...But an imposter ...imo....

The person who becomes the Antichrist is only by being anointed as the King of Israel, and embraced by the Jews as their mashiach. The Jews rejected Jesus and are not going to embrace anyone claiming to be Jesus as their messiah.

The person cannot be the Antichrist and claim to be Jesus, because the Antichrist is opposed to Jesus, denying that he is the son of God.

...what do you believe Jesus will do when he finally arrives....how will he rule the world?....what laws will he make?...Will Jesus built the temple?....what will happen during the messianic age of the true Christ?

Well, that is going off the topic of this thread. And it gets too involved. So I think I will pass.

 

[Douggg]

Nigel Farage is NOT an expert on Biblical Eschatology.... I am.

And the European "project" is not part of Biblical prophecy... you pretend.


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No one is claiming that Nigel Farage is an expert on Biblical Eschatology.

You have some off-the-wall notions, fundamental errors of thinking, clueless as to what is going on - if that makes you an expert, then you are certainly near the top of your field.

Please drop out of the thread, you have nothing to contribute.

 

[dfw69]

The person who becomes the Antichrist is only by being anointed as the King of Israel, and embraced by the Jews as their mashiach. The Jews rejected Jesus and are not going to embrace anyone claiming to be Jesus as their messiah.

The person cannot be the Antichrist and claim to be Jesus, because the Antichrist is opposed to Jesus, denying that he is the son of God.



Well, that is going off the topic of this thread. And it gets too involved. So I think I will pass.

Perhaps you can come back to these questions when the thread dies out...if you wish to do so...

antichrist 1 your eu leader Who became the beast who is destroyed by

Antichrist 2.. Jesus returns.. but he's an imposter And false messiah

Antichrist 3 the man of sin comes

Then Jesus returns...

 

[Douggg]

Let me try this first - the link below shows how things would have played out but for Paul's Mystery.

Fold Out Bible Chart

The second example of the chart shows how things play out in light of the Mystery's interruption.

The Mystery "hid IN GOD," thus, NOT known by either the Angel Gabriel, nor by Daniel.

Without giving me a chart, tell me in plain simple words what you are saying that is relevant to the subject matter of this thread - The EU, the kingdom partly strong, partly broken.

If you want to start another topic, then open another thread.

 

[Douggg]

Perhaps you can come back to these questions when the thread dies out...if you wish to do so...

antichrist 1 your eu leader Who became the beast who is destroyed by

Antichrist 2.. Jesus returns.. but he's an imposter And false messiah

Antichrist 3 the man of sin comes

Then Jesus returns...

I will answer that right now.

The person becomes the little horn, leader of the EU; then becomes the prince who shall come; then becomes the Antichrist king of Israel; then reveals himself as the man of sin, ending his time as the Antichrist king of Israel; then becomes the beast of Revelation; then as the beast of Revelation is cast alive into the lake of fire at Jesus's return.

The person is the Antichrist only during his time as the King of Israel.

There is no Antichrist 1, 2, and 3.

 

[dfw69]

I will answer that right now.

The person becomes the little horn, leader of the EU; then becomes the prince who shall come; then becomes the Antichrist king of Israel; then reveals himself as the man of sin, ending his time as the Antichrist king of Israel; then becomes the beast of Revelation; then as the beast of Revelation is cast alive into the lake of fire at Jesus's return.

I understand you Doug....I was saying that there will be at least 3 antichrist before Jesus returns....example antichrist 1 is your eu leader...antichrist 2 is Jesus return...But he's an imposter....antichrist 3 is the true man of sin....

 

[Brian45]

If you go to Revelation 17:17 the ten kings have ONE kingdom to pledge to the beast

No doubt at the time of the end there will be quite a few nations amalgamating with one another out of desperation for survival , not just Europe.

It is not 5 + 5. But ten. There is no split of the ten into two 5's anywhere in bible prophecy.

Except the 5+5 toes on two separate feet on the two separate legs of Daniels statue. As much as you would like to , we cannot dismiss that.