The EU, the kingdom partly strong, partly broken

[5thKingdom]

That is exactly what I am talking about you trying to take over the thread.

There is nothing in the bible that says "last people" in "any" kingdom. Please just drop out of the thread. You have nothing to contribute.

Very good...

Then BEFORE you PRESUME the "Ten Horns" are the EU

FIRST harmonize that idea with the "Ten Toes" and the "Ten Virgins"

The Bible presents these PERSPECTIVES on the SAME PEOPLE

and, therefore, they must be HARMONIZED.



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Please do not pretend that the Bible must say "these are the last people"...

that is not serious Bible study. When the Bible SHOWS the "Ten Horns" are

REPLACED at the Lord's Return.... and the Bible SHOWS the "Ten Toes" are

REPLACED at the Lord's Return.... and the Bible SHOWS the "Ten Virgins" are

"harvested" into the "Marriage of the Lamb".... then you must deal with it.


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You cannot simply PRETEND that they are NOT the same people because

God did not give YOU a verse that YOU APPROVE... you act like a child.


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[Douggg]

is not the seed of men referring to the false doctrine of men?....

during those days the spirit of God is poured out..against the false messianic age...thus the iron mix with clay...on one hand is the iron lie that the messianic kingdom has come....on the other hand....the spirit of God upon those who reject the false teachings of that age

No, at least not in the Daniel 2 passage. It is just talking about the different cultures that have developed, the seed of men. Those different nationalist cultures in Europe don't cleave to each other.

The iron and clay is the nature of the final version of the fourth kingdom.

In the European "project", the total integration of all the nations into one United States of Europe, they will not be able to overcome the cultural difference between nations.

So while, the United States of Europe will be very strong militarily - which is another reason that the EU must be the kingdom of the little horn who later becomes the beast - it will not be a kingdom where its citizens think of themselves in the same way that we in the states think of ourselves as Americans.

 

[Douggg]

Very good...

Then BEFORE you PRESUME the "Ten Horns" are the EU

FIRST harmonize that idea with the "Ten Toes" and the "Ten Virgins"

That is some of your off the wall ideas - please drop out of the thread. I am not getting into your agenda.

Go to you tube and watch some Nigel Farage videos about the United States of Europe. That is the subject matter of this thread.

 

[5thKingdom]

Go to you tube and watch some Nigel Farage videos about the United States of Europe. That is the subject matter of this thread.

No sir... as you already admitted, the SUBJECT of this thread

is the EU in prophecy.... and that is EXACTLY what I have been talking about.

 

[Douggg]

No sir... as you already admitted, the SUBJECT of this thread

is the EU in prophecy.... and that is EXACTLY what I have been talking about.

I know my own thread better than you. It is not EU in prophecy - that is way too broad. This thread is specially about the United States of Europe, called the European "project" in the EU.

Again go to you tube and watch some of the Nigel Farage videos to get an understanding of what is going on over there. The kingdom of the ten kings is about to come about as the United States of Europe (might not have that exact wording, but something along those lines)

 

[5thKingdom]

I know my own thread better than you. It is not EU in prophecy - that is way too broad. This thread is specially about the United States of Europe, called the European "project" in the EU.

As I said.... the European Union (and/or the European "project")

are NOT part of Bible prophecy. And I invite you to PROVE otherwise.

However, your PROOF must be from the Bible and it must HARMONIZE

with ALL SCRIPTURES and not just the 3-4 passages that you select.

Can you harmonize the European "project" with about 20 OTHER PASSAGES

that speak about the SAME PEOPLE? Can you do that?
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[Douggg]

As I said.... the European Union (and/or the European "project")

are NOT part of Bible prophecy. And I invite you to PROVE otherwise.

Go watch some Nigel Farage videos on You Tube of him addressing the EU parliment. Then come back and talk to me. Right now, you are clueless.

 

[Strong in Him]

I am glad that someone is here that is in England

Thank you.
Good to be here, though I don't understand much about the subject of the thread

Personally, I like Nigel Farage. But that is not really why I posted his video.

What he is against is the United States of Europe push - the European "project" as they call it over there. The point I am making is that the direction that the EU is heading, with the catalyst being to save the EURO, toward a federal form of government.

That government is going to be the ten kings, and little horn over them, and will be the end times kingdom of the fourth empire.

Europe, imo, for federal government purposes to provide balance among the 28 nations, is going to have ten districts, with some of the districts of 2 or 3 nations, while others just 1. For a total of ten districts, the 28 nations contained therein.

Whether it turns out that way or not is just a guess. But the EU as a whole governed by ten kings (leaders) is definitely coming. Which the little horn will emerge to be over those ten leaders of the EU, to be the equivalent of our President (of the United States)

Oh ok.
I just thought that you were quoting him as an expert on the EU or something. I don't think he is, but I don't understand the issues so can't even tell you if he is right.
(And I don't like him.)

 

[Douggg]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ez-88_hIrLY

The European idealist wanting the United States of Europe are using the Euro crisis to achieve their ultimate goal of total integration as the United States of Europe.

 

[Douggg]

Oh ok.
I just thought that you were quoting him as an expert on the EU or something. I don't think he is, but I don't understand the issues so can't even tell you if he is right.
(And I don't like him.)

I wasn't intending to stress the political sides, only the reality of where Europe is heading.

Mr. Farage is just a colorful speaker who's videos help us in the states to be aware of what is happening across the pond. Underlying all of his video's is his opposition to a United States of Europe. If you don't like him - not a problem with me at all. I am not promoting Mr. Farage in the political sense, just his making what is going on in Europe in helping us understand bible prophecy playing out.

But he is not going to stop it from happening because there is too much push to have a federal government in Europe, sovereign over the nations of Europe. Of course even the pro-European project (to make Europe a United States of Europe equivalent) are not intentionally trying to create the kingdom of the little horn in bible prophecy. I doubt that many if any are familiar with the end times prophecies of the fourth kingdom, maybe they are - I don't know.

 

[Strong in Him]

I wasn't intending to stress the political sides, only the reality of where Europe is heading.

Mr. Farage is just a colorful speaker who's videos help us in the states to be aware of what is happening across the pond. Underlying all of his video's is his opposition to a United States of Europe. If you don't like him - not a problem with me at all. I am not promoting Mr. Farage in the political sense, just his making what is going on in Europe in helping us understand bible prophecy playing out.

Ok - hope I didn't offend you.

 

[Douggg]

Ok - hope I didn't offend you.

No, not at all. I am looking at it as bible prophecy playing out. We don't have that ten king (leader) form of government for the EU in place yet - but it is coming. Then the little horn will appear.

Whether the little horn is directly elected by the EU populace or by consensus of the ten kings or some other way - we don't know at this point in time.

 

[Brian45]

If we say it's the EU then how do we explain the two iron legs with 5 toes on each leg..?

 

[Douggg]

If we say it's the EU then how do we explain the two iron legs with 5 toes on each leg..?

The ten toes are on the feet, not the legs. The legs are the Roman Empire.


41 And whereas thou sawest the feet and toes, part of potters' clay, and part of iron, the kingdom shall be divided; but there shall be in it of the strength of the iron, forasmuch as thou sawest the iron mixed with miry clay.
42 And as the toes of the feet were part of iron, and part of clay, so the kingdom shall be partly strong, and partly broken.


Which is a perfect description of the economies in the EU and Euro zone. We are not that far away from the ten king (leader) form of government for the EU.

 

[Brian45]

The ten toes are on the feet, not the legs. The legs are the Roman Empire.

If you look it up the Roman Empire was soon divided into two portions, corresponding to the two legs of iron of this image. One division was in the West, centered in Rome; the other was in the East, with Constantinople its capital, and became the Byzantine empire which colonized toward the north, into Russia, and into the east, to Persia, Iran and Iraq, and spread Byzantine culture all through the area.

As you know Constantinople is in Turkey which today is Islamic.

 

[Danoh]

If you look it up the Roman Empire was soon divided into two portions, corresponding to the two legs of iron of this image. One division was in the West, centered in Rome; the other was in the East, with Constantinople its capital, and became the Byzantine empire which colonized toward the north, into Russia, and into the east, to Persia, Iran and Iraq, and spread Byzantine culture all through the area.

As you know Constantinople is in Turkey which today is Islamic.

 

[Douggg]

If you look it up the Roman Empire was soon divided into two portions, corresponding to the two legs of iron of this image. One division was in the West, centered in Rome; the other was in the East, with Constantinople its capital, and became the Byzantine empire which colonized toward the north, into Russia, and into the east, to Persia, Iran and Iraq, and spread Byzantine culture all through the area.

As you know Constantinople is in Turkey which today is Islamic.

Who cares about Turkey? Turkey is not part of the EU. The prince who shall come is from the people who destroyed the sanctuary and temple, the Romans. Rome is in Italy. Italy is in the EU. It is one of the weaker countries.

If you want to go the Islamic Caliphate route, then start another thread. It is a garbage idea. I'm sick of hearing about it and blood moons. The EU is the superstate that has the military to carry out the beast's agenda.

Turkey is one of the Gog/Magog countries in Ezekiel 38/39. There are 7 years following Gog/Magog in Ezekiel 39, which are the 7 years of Daniel 9:26-37. Then the Armageddon feast in Ezekiel 39:17-20. Gog/Magog ends the Islamic factor, before the 7 years begin.

Which you can go to any Jewish (Judaism site) and you will find that they are expecting their messiah to show after Gog/Magog - which will be the little horn leading his EU army to stave of Gog/Magog. It will appear to them that the little horn is their messiah because as the RAMBAM summarized the characteristics of the mashiach is that he fights the battles of God in defending Israel.

From Judaism101.org ,

The term "mashiach" literally means "the anointed one," and refers to the ancient practice of anointing kings with oil when they took the throne. The mashiach is the one who will be anointed as king in the End of Days.

A muslim cannot be the Antichrist, because a muslim cannot become the King of Israel. The Caliphate adovocates don't know the basics of the Antichrist, therefore look only at Islam, the same way some Christians viewed communisim and the leader of Russia as the beast back in the day, as I can testify.

From Judaism101.org,

The mashiach will be a great political leader [ the little horn who becomes head of Europe fits the bill] descended from King David (Jeremiah 23:5) [he will be a Jew]. The mashiach is often referred to as "mashiach ben David" (mashiach, son of David). He will be well-versed in Jewish law, and observant of its commandments (Isaiah 11:2-5) [his religion will be Judaism, not Islam]. He will be a charismatic leader , inspiring others to follow his example. He will be a great military leader,[little horn in Daniel 8:9 and 8:23, stands up gets ready for war] who will win battles for Israel. He will be a great judge, who makes righteous decisions (Jeremiah 33:15). But above all, he will be a human being, not a god, demi-god or other supernatural being.

If you want to push the muslim/caliphate theory or europe/muslim nations pie in the sky never going to happen union theory - then start another thread. Don't derail this one.

 

[dfw69]

Whatever scenario the government's of the world design to do to simulate the end of days to deceive , it will only usher in the false messianic age ...we are commanded to keep the faith and not fall away from the faith ...that Jesus is yet to return though all looks bleak and hopeless because the days of darkness has come....

Yet God will pour out his spirit to testify against the false messianic age....God willing to reveal his true messiah is still yet to come

 

[Douggg]

Whatever scenario the government's of the world design to do to simulate the end of days to deceive , it will only usher in the false messianic age ...we are commanded to keep the faith and not fall away from the faith ...that Jesus is yet to return though all looks bleak...

There will be a false messianic age begun when the prince who shall come confirms the Mt. Sinai covenant in Daniel 9:26-27 with the Jews thinking they have entered the true messianic age following Gog/Magog. But it will be an illusion - when they say peace, peace, sudden destruction will come up on them..

 

[dfw69]

There will be a false messianic age begun when the prince who shall come confirms the Mt. Sinai covenant in Daniel 9:26-27 with the Jews thinking they have entered the true messianic age following Gog/Magog. But it will be an illusion - when they say peace, peace, sudden destruction will come up on them..

who is this Prince?...please explain more I'm not following you..how will he be accepted by the Jewish people ?....he will be a Jew?