Daniel's 70 Weeks and Jubilees Timeline

1michael1 · Jan 15, 2015

KEY TO ABBREVIATIONS

-HY = Heptad Year
- JY = Jewish Year
- BC/AD = Before Christ/Anno Domini

KEY TO THE SACRED/CIVIL HEBREW MONTH (GREGORIAN MONTH)

7/1 Tishrei (October/November)
8/2 Cheshvan (November/December)
9/3 Kislev (December/January)
10/4 Tevet (January/February)
11/5 Sh'vat (February/March)
12/6 Adar (March/April)
1/7 Nisan (April/May)
2/8 Iyyar (May/June)
3/9 Sivan (June/July)
4/10 Tamuz (July/August)
5/11 Av (August/September)
6/12 Elul (September/October)

TABLE OF SABBATIC CYCLES & JUBILEES FOR 490 YEARS

1/50 2 3 4 5 6 7 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 1 2 3 4 5 6 7/49
1/50 2 3 4 5 6 7 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 1 2 3 4 5 6 7/49
1/50 2 3 4 5 6 7 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 1 2 3 4 5 6 7/49
1/50 2 3 4 5 6 7 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 1 2 3 4 5 6 7/49
1/50 2 3 4 5 6 7 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 1 2 3 4 5 6 7/49
1/50 2 3 4 5 6 7 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 1 2 3 4 5 6 7/49
1/50 2 3 4 5 6 7 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 1 2 3 4 5 6 7/49
1/50 2 3 4 5 6 7 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 1 2 3 4 5 6 7/49
1/50 2 3 4 5 6 7 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 1 2 3 4 5 6 7/49
1/50 2 3 4 5 6 7 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 1 2 3 4 5 6 7/49

HY JY BC/AD EVENT

1/50 3150 612-11 BC * Jubilee

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1/50 3199 563-62 " * Jubilee

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1/50 3248 514-13 " * Jubilee

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1/50 3297 465-64 " * Jubilee

2 3298 464-63 " * 1st accession year of the reign of Artaxerxes Longimanus
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1 3304 458-57 " * 7th accession year of the reign of Artaxerxes. The edict of Artaxerxes to Ezra the Scribe (of the Old Testament Books) to restore and teach the Law in Jerusalem in the 7th year of his reign. Ezra leaves for Jerusalem with the Scroll of the Law in Tishrei (Sept.-Oct.) 458 BC and arrives at Jerusalem 4 months later in Sh'vat (Jan.-Feb.) 457 BC (Ezra 7:8-10). * 1st year of the 62 weeks & 7 weeks (483 years) until Messiah's appearance

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1/50 3346 415-14 " * Jubilee

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1/50 3395 366-65 " * Jubilee

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1/50 3444 317-16 " * Jubilee

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5 3449 313-12 " * 1st accession year of the Seleucid Empire

6 3450 312-11 " * 1st non-accession year of the Seleucid Empire

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1/50 3493 268-67 " * Jubilee

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1/50 3542 219-18 " * Jubilee

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1/50 3591 172-71 " * Jubilee

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5 3595 167-66 " * Beginning of the 2,200 evenings & mornings of the profanation of the altar (Daniel 8:14; see Timeline on 2,200 Evenings & Mornings).

6 3596 166-65 "

7 3597 165-64 " * 148th non-accession year of the Seleucids (1 Macc. 4:44-59): end of the 2,200 evenings & mornings of the profanation of the altar.

1 3598 164-63 " * 149th non-accession year of the Seleucids (1 Macc. 6:16): Antiochus Epiphanes dies.

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6 3627 135-34 " * 177th accession year of the Seleucids; preceded a sabbatic year according to Josephus (Antiq. 13:8,1; Wars 1:2,4; 1 Macc. 16:14)

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1/50 3640 122-21 " * Jubilee

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1/50 3689 74-73 " * Jubilee

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7 3723 39-38 " * Herod besieges Jerusalem in a sabbatic year (Jos. Antiq. 14:16,2; 15:2). Josephus seems ever to reckon his years from Tishrei - Elul by the civil calendar instead of by the sacred calendar of Nisan - Adar. Therefore, Josephus will commonly seem to be a year earlier than the Gregorian reckoning of accession years.

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1/50 3738 24-23 " * Jubilee

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3756 6-5 " * Jesus Christ is born

6 3785 AD 24-25 * John appears in the 15th year of the reign of Tiberius, who began his co-regent reign in 10-11.

7/49 3786 " 25-26 * Jesus appears in the 49th year announcing the coming Jubilee; begins his ministry, being 30 years old, in the 69th week; 483rd year from the decree of Artaxerxes Longimanus.

1/50 3787 " 26-27 * Jubilee

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7 3793 " 32-33 * 70th week of Daniel, 490th year from the Decree of Artaxerxes

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6 3827 " 66-67 * Beginning of the siege of Jerusalem

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2 3830 " 69-70 * Jerusalem sacked; temple desolated

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1 3836 " 75-76 * Jubilee

precepts · Jan 15, 2015

Too bad it's a historical fact Cyrus gave the decree in 539 bc. I don't have the time right now to prove it using Ezra's account of the temple completion during the 6th yr of Darius, but it's factual. 7wks to the commandment was literal 7 yrs to Cyrus.

1michael1 · Jan 15, 2015

precepts said:
Too bad it's a historical fact Cyrus gave the decree in 539 bc. I don't have the time right now to prove it using Ezra's account of the temple completion during the 6th yr of Darius, but it's factual. 7wks to the commandment was literal 7 yrs to Cyrus.

It is true that Cyrus issued an edict in 539. This may well be added to the timeline. However, the edict of Cyrus was not to 'restore and rebuild Jerusalem', but to 'build a house for the God Most High':

And in the first year of Cyrus, king of Persia, at the completion of the word of the Lord from the mouth of Jeremiah, the Lord aroused the Spirit of Cyrus, king of Persia, and he spread a proclamation (lit. voice) throughout his kingdom, and also in writing, saying: "So said Cyrus, the king of Persia; All the kingdoms of the earth gave to me, the Lord, God of heaven, and He commanded me to build Him a House in Jerusalem, which is in Judea. Whomever is amongst you of all His people, (may his) God be with him, and he should ascend to Jerusalem, which is in Judea. And he should build the House of the Lord, God of Israel -He is the God Who is in Jerusalem.. And whoever remains from all the places where he resides, they should promote him -the people of his residence- with silver and with gold and with possessions and with cattle, with the donation to the House of God, which is in Jerusalem (Ezra 1:1-4)

However, the prophecy of Gabriel in Daniel is of an edict to restore and rebuild Jerusalem. This pertained to not only rebuilding the infrastructure of the city, but also to restoring the Law and putting and end to iniquity. One may see that the 'restoration' that God is interested in during the 70 weeks is mainly a spiritual restoration.

"Seventy weeks are decreed for your people and your holy city to finish transgression, to put an end to sin, to atone for wickedness, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision and prophecy and to anoint the Most Holy Place.

Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. (Dan. 9:24)

Cyrus never made an edict according to the nature of Artaxerxes. Cyrus did have the Temple in Jerusalem rebuilt. But until the reforms and restoration movement of Ezra/Nehemiah, the city mostly remained broken down. The people also were without the Book of the Law. It was the decree of Artaxerxes that changed all of this.

Now this is the copy of the letter that the king Artaxerxes gave unto Ezra the priest, the scribe, even a scribe of the words of the commandments of the LORD, and of his statutes to Israel.

"Artaxerxes, king of kings, unto Ezra the priest, a scribe of the law of the God of heaven, perfect peace, and at such a time. I make a decree, that all they of the people of Israel, and of his priests and Levites, in my realm, which are minded of their own freewill to go up to Jerusalem, go with thee. Forasmuch as thou art sent of the king, and of his seven counsellers, to inquire concerning Judah and Jerusalem, according to the law of thy God which is in thine hand; And to carry the silver and gold, which the king and his counsellers have freely offered unto the God of Israel, whose habitation is in Jerusalem, And all the silver and gold that thou canst find in all the province of Babylon, with the freewill offering of the people, and of the priests, offering willingly for the house of their God which is in Jerusalem: That thou mayest buy speedily with this money bullocks, rams, lambs, with their meat offerings and their drink offerings, and offer them upon the altar of the house of your God which is in Jerusalem. And whatsoever shall seem good to thee, and to thy brethren, to do with the rest of the silver and the gold, that do after the will of your God. The vessels also that are given thee for the service of the house of thy God, those deliver thou before the God of Jerusalem. And whatsoever more shall be needful for the house of thy God, which thou shalt have occasion to bestow, bestow it out of the king's treasure house.

And I, even I Artaxerxes the king, do make a decree to all the treasurers which are beyond the river, that whatsoever Ezra the priest, the scribe of the law of the God of heaven, shall require of you, it be done speedily, Unto an hundred talents of silver, and to an hundred measures of wheat, and to an hundred baths of wine, and to an hundred baths of oil, and salt without prescribing how much. Whatsoever is commanded by the God of heaven, let it be diligently done for the house of the God of heaven: for why should there be wrath against the realm of the king and his sons? Also we certify you, that touching any of the priests and Levites, singers, porters, Nethinims, or ministers of this house of God, it shall not be lawful to impose toll, tribute, or custom, upon them.

And thou, Ezra, after the wisdom of thy God, that is in thine hand, set magistrates and judges, which may judge all the people that are beyond the river, all such as know the laws of thy God; and teach ye them that know them not. And whosoever will not do the law of thy God, and the law of the king, let judgment be executed speedily upon him, whether it be unto death, or to banishment, or to confiscation of goods, or to imprisonment. (Ezra 7:11:26)

precepts · Jan 15, 2015

1michael1 said:
It is true that Cyrus issued an edict in 539. This may well be added to the timeline. However, the edict of Cyrus was not to 'restore and rebuild Jerusalem', but to 'build a house for the God Most High':
And in the first year of Cyrus, king of Persia, at the completion of the word of the Lord from the mouth of Jeremiah, the Lord aroused the Spirit of Cyrus, king of Persia, and he spread a proclamation (lit. voice) throughout his kingdom, and also in writing, saying: "So said Cyrus, the king of Persia; All the kingdoms of the earth gave to me, the Lord, God of heaven, and He commanded me to build Him a House in Jerusalem, which is in Judea. Whomever is amongst you of all His people, (may his) God be with him, and he should ascend to Jerusalem, which is in Judea. And he should build the House of the Lord, God of Israel -He is the God Who is in Jerusalem.. And whoever remains from all the places where he resides, they should promote him -the people of his residence- with silver and with gold and with possessions and with cattle, with the donation to the House of God, which is in Jerusalem (Ezra 1:1-4)

(staff edit) Where's the house Cyrus built? And didn't David build a house for God?

1michael1 said:
However, the prophecy of Gabriel in Daniel is of an edict to restore and rebuild Jerusalem. This pertained to not only rebuilding the infrastructure of the city, but also to restoring the Law and putting and end to iniquity. One may see that the 'restoration' that God is interested in during the 70 weeks is mainly a spiritual restoration.
"Seventy weeks are decreed for your people and your holy city to finish transgression, to put an end to sin, to atone for wickedness, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision and prophecy and to anoint the Most Holy Place.

Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. (Dan. 9:24)

You're quoting from the very book that confirms Cyrus' covenant. Ezra 3-6 has the whole story of Cyrus' commandment to rebuild the temple and city, the ceasing of the building during the imposter Artaxerxes time (not the Artaxerxes you're quoting), and Darius's decree allowing them to finish the temple and city in his 6th year of reign. Obviously you don't know the history.

1michael1 said:
Cyrus never made an edict according to the nature of Artaxerxes. Cyrus did have the Temple in Jerusalem rebuilt. But until the reforms and restoration movement of Ezra/Nehemiah, the city mostly remained broken down.

Nehem-h explained to the king why the walls were broken down. It was the "Prince that would come" that destroyed the wall in the troublous times, after the sixty and two weeks.

1michael1 said:
The people also were without the Book of the Law. It was the decree of Artaxerxes that changed all of this.
Now this is the copy of the letter that the king Artaxerxes gave unto Ezra the priest, the scribe, even a scribe of the words of the commandments of the LORD, and of his statutes to Israel.

"Artaxerxes, king of kings, unto Ezra the priest, a scribe of the law of the God of heaven, perfect peace, and at such a time. I make a decree, that all they of the people of Israel, and of his priests and Levites, in my realm, which are minded of their own freewill to go up to Jerusalem, go with thee. Forasmuch as thou art sent of the king, and of his seven counsellers, to inquire concerning Judah and Jerusalem, according to the law of thy God which is in thine hand; And to carry the silver and gold, which the king and his counsellers have freely offered unto the God of Israel, whose habitation is in Jerusalem, And all the silver and gold that thou canst find in all the province of Babylon, with the freewill offering of the people, and of the priests, offering willingly for the house of their God which is in Jerusalem: That thou mayest buy speedily with this money bullocks, rams, lambs, with their meat offerings and their drink offerings, and offer them upon the altar of the house of your God which is in Jerusalem. And whatsoever shall seem good to thee, and to thy brethren, to do with the rest of the silver and the gold, that do after the will of your God. The vessels also that are given thee for the service of the house of thy God, those deliver thou before the God of Jerusalem. And whatsoever more shall be needful for the house of thy God, which thou shalt have occasion to bestow, bestow it out of the king's treasure house.

And I, even I Artaxerxes the king, do make a decree to all the treasurers which are beyond the river, that whatsoever Ezra the priest, the scribe of the law of the God of heaven, shall require of you, it be done speedily, Unto an hundred talents of silver, and to an hundred measures of wheat, and to an hundred baths of wine, and to an hundred baths of oil, and salt without prescribing how much. Whatsoever is commanded by the God of heaven, let it be diligently done for the house of the God of heaven: for why should there be wrath against the realm of the king and his sons? Also we certify you, that touching any of the priests and Levites, singers, porters, Nethinims, or ministers of this house of God, it shall not be lawful to impose toll, tribute, or custom, upon them.

And thou, Ezra, after the wisdom of thy God, that is in thine hand, set magistrates and judges, which may judge all the people that are beyond the river, all such as know the laws of thy God; and teach ye them that know them not. And whosoever will not do the law of thy God, and the law of the king, let judgment be executed speedily upon him, whether it be unto death, or to banishment, or to confiscation of goods, or to imprisonment. (Ezra 7:11:26)

This, once again, is after the rebuilt city is attacked by the "Prince that would come." Artaxerxes' decree is for the rebuilding of the "wall" after the sixty and two weeks, not for the temple. Nehem-h confirms the breach in the law after it was reinstated by Joshua the son of Josedech, and the wall being rebuilt.

1michael1 · Jan 15, 2015

It is important to lay out the sequence of the restoration period in order to understand the 70 heptads. The timeline of event is as follows:

3225 JY (537-36 B.C.) 1st year of Cyrus the Great and the decree of the Jewish return from the 70 year Captivity to build the temple in Jerusalem. This was the first wave of the Restoration after Captivity under the leadership of Zerubbabel and Jeshua. - Ezra 1:1-4.

3227 JY (535 B.C.) The Appointing of the Levites after the Captivity and the laying of the foundation of the 2nd Temple - Ezra 3:8-10.

3228 JY (533 B.C.) Daniel receives the Vision from Gabriel by the river Hiddekel in the 3rd year of Cyrus king of Persia - Dan. 10:1-4

3241 JY (521-20 B.C.) 1st year of the reign of King Darius Hystaspes.

3242 JY (519 B.C.) - King Darius Hystaspes confirms the edict of Cyrus for the rebuilding of the temple at Jerusalem - Ezra 6:1-12

3246 JY (515 B.C.) In the 6th year of King Darius Hystaspes, the 2nd Temple is completed in Jerusalem - Ezra 6:15.

3298 JY (464-63) 1st accession year of the reign of Artaxerxes Longimanus.

3304 JY (458-57 B.C.) The edict of Artaxerxes to Ezra the Scribe to restore and teach the Law in Jerusalem in the 7th accession year of his reign. Ezra leaves for Jerusalem with the Scroll of the Law in Tishrei (Sept.-Oct.) 458 BC and arrives at Jerusalem 4 months later in Sh'vat (Jan.-Feb.) 457 BC - Ezra 7:8-10.

precepts · Jan 15, 2015

For some reason, from time to time, when I try to quote someone's post or try to edit my posts, I get a blank page like now. I just though I should make a note of it since it's happening now.

Daniel vision was in the 1st yr of Darius the Mede, 7yrs before Cyrus conquered Babylon, not in 533 bc. And like I said before, Artaxerxes decree was for the rebuilding of the wall after the sixty and two weeks, not for the temple. Ezra 6 tells when the temple was finished during the reign of Darius. There's no mention of the temple being rebuild during Artaxerxes time, only repairs to the city and walls. It's impossible to think the laws were established after the sixty and two weeks when scripture specifically states it was to happen before. After the sixty and two weeks is when the Anointed is cut off, when the wall was to be rebuilt, after the sixty and two weeks.

1michael1 · Jan 15, 2015

precepts said:
For some reason, from time to time, when I try to quote someone's post or try to edit my posts, I get a blank page like now. I don't know if you're a part of this conspiracy, but you need to ask somebody about your dates. There's too much historical information out there for you to be doing this.

I'm not sure which dates you're referring to.

The timeline itself is a synthesis of Maccabees, Josephus and Luke the Evangelist, as well as being informed by Thiele and Albright and witnessed by scriptural references.

precepts · Jan 15, 2015

1michael1 said:
I'm not sure which dates you're referring to.

The timeline itself is a synthesis of Maccabees, Josephus and Luke the Evangelist, as well as being informed by Thiele and Albright and witnessed by scriptural references.

I edited the post while you were responding:

Daniel vision was in the 1st yr of Darius the Mede, 7yrs before Cyrus conquered Babylon, not in 533 bc. And like I said before, Artaxerxes decree was for the rebuilding of the wall after the sixty and two weeks, not for the temple. Ezra 6 tells when the temple was finished during the reign of Darius. There's no mention of the temple being rebuild during Artaxerxes time, only repairs to the city and walls. It's impossible to think the laws were established after the sixty and two weeks when scripture specifically states it was to happen before. After the sixty and two weeks is when the Anointed is cut off, when the wall was to be rebuilt, after the sixty and two weeks.

1michael1 · Jan 15, 2015

precepts said:
Daniel vision was in the 1st yr of Darius the Mede, 7yrs before Cyrus conquered Babylon, not in 533 bc. And like I said before, Artaxerxes decree was for the rebuilding of the wall after the sixty and two weeks, not for the temple. Ezra 6 tells when the temple was finished during the reign of Darius. There's no mention of the temple being rebuild during Artaxerxes time, only repairs to the city and walls. It's impossible to think the laws were established after the sixty and two weeks when scripture specifically states it was to happen before. After the sixty and two weeks is when the Anointed is cut off, when the wall was to be rebuilt, after the sixty and two weeks.

Three points need to be made:

The vision in Dan. 10:1 is in the 3rd year of Cyrus (533 BC).
I never said anything about the temple being built in Artaxerxes' time. I wrote '3246 JY (515 B.C.) In the 6th year of King Darius Hystaspes, the 2nd Temple is completed in Jerusalem - Ezra 6:15', if you'll notice above.
The command given to Nehemiah to rebuild the wall was not until 3316 JY (446-45 B.C.) Nehemiah receives the news about the wall of Jerusalem being yet broken down - Neh. 1:1-4. In the month Nisan, Nehemiah receives the king's letter to return to Jerusalem and rebuild the wall. - Neh. 2:1-8. On 25 Elul ( Sept. 445 B.C.), Nehemiah completes the work of rebuilding the wall of Jerusalem - Neh. 6:15. This is 91 years after the decree of Cyrus in 3225, not 7 weeks, which would be 49 years.

Furthermore, if the 70 heptads (490 years) is to be understood as the decree of Cyrus to rebuild the Temple, instead of the decree of Artaxerxes to restore the Law to Jerusalem and build the spiritual, physical, and legal infrastructure, then the 70 weeks would conclude in 3714 JY (48-47 BC). The Messiah should have appeared after the 62 and 7 weeks, upon the 69th week of 3707 JY (55-54 BC). Not only did the Messiah not appear then, but Cyrus never gave a decree to restore and build the city of Jerusalem, but only the temple.

Biblewriter · Jan 16, 2015

The dates you refer to are for the building of the temple. But the prophecy of Daniel 9 does not refer to a decree to rebuild the temple, but to a decree to rebuild the city. According to Nehemian 2, that decree was made in the twentieth year of Artaxerses, 483 Jewish years before out Lord's crucifixion. Some claim that this works out to the exact day before the triumphal entry. But that involves assumptions I am not prepared to make. But history indeed confirms that the time was at least approximately that long.

So the entire timeline given in the OP is completely off base. It starts at the wrong time, and ends way too soon, even if solar years are used, instead of the Jewish years used in Bible prophecy.

precepts · Jan 16, 2015

1michael1 said:
Three points need to be made:

The vision in Dan. 10:1 is in the 3rd year of Cyrus (533 BC).

Whatever vision can't be in 533 bc because the decree to go back to Shalem was given in 539 bc, a historical fact. Israel left out of Babylon in 539 bc. Maybe I wrong in thinking Cyrus conquered Darius and Babylon in 539 bc, but it's a historical fact Israel left Babylon in 539 bc.

1michael1 said:
I never said anything about the temple being built in Artaxerxes' time. I wrote '3246 JY (515 B.C.) In the 6th year of King Darius Hystaspes, the 2nd Temple is completed in Jerusalem - Ezra 6:15', if you'll notice above.

The command given to Nehemiah to rebuild the wall was not until 3316 JY (446-45 B.C.) Nehemiah receives the news about the wall of Jerusalem being yet broken down - Neh. 1:1-4. In the month Nisan, Nehemiah receives the king's letter to return to Jerusalem and rebuild the wall. - Neh. 2:1-8. On 25 Elul ( Sept. 445 B.C.), Nehemiah completes the work of rebuilding the wall of Jerusalem - Neh. 6:15. This is 91 years after the decree of Cyrus in 3225, not 7 weeks, which would be 49 years.

You said Artaxerxes decree was for the rebuilding of the temple, and Cyrus' was for the "house" of God. To which I replied, the temple is the "house," the house that David desired to build. That's why I quoted when and where the temple was finished in Darius' reign, decree given by Cyrus, evident by Darius' search and discovery of the document/decree to rebuild the temple/house.

1michael1 said:
Furthermore, if the 70 heptads (490 years) is to be understood as the decree of Cyrus to rebuild the Temple, instead of the decree of Artaxerxes to restore the Law to Jerusalem and build the spiritual, physical, and legal infrastructure, then the 70 weeks would conclude in 3714 JY (48-47 BC). The Messiah should have appeared after the 62 and 7 weeks, upon the 69th week of 3707 JY (55-54 BC). Not only did the Messiah not appear then, but Cyrus never gave a decree to restore and build the city of Jerusalem, but only the temple.

And for the umpteenth time, the vision in Dan 9, the 70 wks is given in the 1st yr of Darius, 7 yrs before Israels release from Babylon, the historical fact/reason for the 7 wks being 7 yrs.

1michael1 · Jan 16, 2015

Biblewriter said:
The dates you refer to are for the building of the temple. But the prophecy of Daniel 9 does not refer to a decree to rebuild the temple, but to a decree to rebuild the city. According to Nehemian 2, that decree was made in the twentieth year of Artaxerses, 483 Jewish years before out Lord's crucifixion. Some claim that this works out to the exact day before the triumphal entry. But that involves assumptions I am not prepared to make. But history indeed confirms that the time was at least approximately that long.

So the entire timeline given in the OP is completely off base. It starts at the wrong time, and ends way too soon, even if solar years are used, instead of the Jewish years used in Bible prophecy.

How is it off base when it demonstrates by using Maccabees, Josephus, and Luke that Christ came at the actual historical sabbatic year of AD 25-26, the 483rd year from the edict of Artaxerxes to Ezra and that Christ was cut off in Jerusalem in the midst of one week from AD 26-33?

The decree was given to Nehemiah to rebuild the wall in Nisan of 445 BC. This was Hebrew year 3316. So 483 years later would be 3799 (AD 38-39), and 490 years after would be 3806 (AD 45-46). Are you really going to try to demonstrate that the Messiah appeared to Jerusalem in AD 38-39 and that the 490 years was completed in AD 45-46?

You'll have a problem.

1michael1 · Jan 16, 2015

precepts said:
Whatever vision can't be in 533 bc because the decree to go back to Shalem was given in 539 bc, a historical fact. Israel left out of Babylon in 539 bc. Maybe I wrong in thinking Cyrus conquered Darius and Babylon in 539 bc, but it's a historical fact Israel left Babylon in 539 bc.

3225 H.Y. (537-536 B.C.) 1st Year of Cyrus the Great and the Decree of the Jewish return from the 70 year Captivity.

3228 H.Y. (54-33 B.C.) Daniel receives the Vision from Gabriel by the river Hiddekel in the 3rd year of Cyrus king of Persia.

In the third year of Cyrus king of Persia a thing was revealed unto Daniel, whose name was called Belteshazzar; and the thing was true, even a great warfare: and he understood the thing, and had understanding of the vision. (Dan. 10:1)

precepts said:
You said Artaxerxes decree was for the rebuilding of the temple, and Cyrus' was for the "house" of God. To which I replied, the temple is the "house," the house that David desired to build. That's why I quoted when and where the temple was finished in Darius' reign, decree given by Cyrus, evident by Darius' search and discovery of the document/decree to rebuild the temple/house.

I never said anything about Artaxerxes rebuilding the house of God. Although he did give many allotments for furnishing the Temple, the command to rebuild the Temple was originally given by Cyrus in his first year. If you keep reading me as saying that Artaxerxes rebuilt the temple, then you are reading into what I'm writing, because I've never said anything like that. Furthermore, the temple was completed in 515 BC, in the 6th year of Darius Hystaspes (Ezra 6:15)

precepts said:
And for the umpteenth time, the vision in Dan 9, the 70 wks is given in the 1st yr of Darius, 7 yrs before Israels release from Babylon, the historical fact/reason for the 7 wks being 7 yrs.

No. This is incorrect. The restoration of Israel from Babylon occurred in the first year of Cyrus the Great (537-36) exactly 70 years after their captivity by Nebuchadnezzar (587-86). The first year of Darius was not until 521-20 BC.

Gideon · Jan 16, 2015

1michael1 said:
How is it off base when it demonstrates by using Maccabees, Josephus, and Luke that Christ came at the actual historical sabbatic year of AD 25-26, the 483rd year from the edict of Artaxerxes to Ezra and that Christ was cut off in Jerusalem in the midst of one week from AD 26-33?

Hi Michael. I have studied your chart in the OP, and find your dates very accurate. Congratulations!

I notice that you start your chart on the Jubilee of 612/611 BC. Any reason for not starting earlier?

1michael1 said:
The decree was given to Nehemiah to rebuild the wall in Nisan of 445 BC. This was Hebrew year 3316. So 483 years later would be 3799 (AD 38-39), and 490 years after would be 3806 (AD 45-46). Are you really going to try to demonstrate that the Messiah appeared to Jerusalem in AD 38-39 and that the 490 years was completed in AD 45-46?

You'll have a problem.

On another thread we are discussing Sir Robert Anderson's theory concerning that. Its a problem all right.

1michael1 · Jan 16, 2015

Gideon said:
Hi Michael. I have studied your chart in the OP, and find your dates very accurate. Congratulations! I notice that you start your chart on the Jubilee of 612/611 BC. Any reason for not starting earlier?

On another thread we are discussing Sir Robert Anderson's theory concerning that. Its a problem all right.

There was really no reason for stopping at 612 BC except to make this 70 weeks timeline as concise as possible and to mark Isaiah's last Jubilee before the Babylonian exile. I plan on taking the sabbatic cycle all the way back to the Exodus on my more expanded timeline.

As of right now, I am confident that the timeline I posted above is an accurate representation of the Jubilee cycle as used by Josephus, the scribe of Maccabees, and Luke.

If you will carefully retrace the records of sabbatic years cited by Josephus and Maccabees, and are informed by the discoveries of Thiele in the late 1950s of how accession and non-accession years were reckoned, I think you will find that coming up with AD 26-27 as the year of Jubilee is an inescapable, foregone conclusion. And being that this is so, AD 25-26 would be the 49th year of the sabbatic cycle used by Maccabees and Josephus, and thus the 483rd year from the edict of Artaxerxes.

Gideon · Jan 16, 2015

Yes, Ive read Thieles, "Mysterious Numbers of the Hebrew Kings." Ground-breaking stuff. My only beef with Thiele is the mess he made of Hezekiahs reign. Apart from that, great.

You may be interested to know that a timeline like yours is available in diagrammatic form. It makes it very easy to follow, and shows all the chronological details from Moses to Christ.

1michael1 · Jan 16, 2015

Gideon said:
Yes, Ive read Thieles, "Mysterious Numbers of the Hebrew Kings." Ground-breaking stuff. My only beef with Thiele is the mess he made of Hezekiahs reign. Apart from that, great.

You may be interested to know that a timeline like yours is available in diagrammatic form. It makes it very easy to follow, and shows all the chronological details from Moses to Christ.

Thiele has made one truly lasting and valuable contribution to the study. He has forever cleared up the confusion concerning accession and non-accession year reckoning in Israel and Judah.

I would actually be interested to see a timeline like mine, because I've never seen one. It would be quite interesting to find one that could agree with it through independent research.

I was tired of seeing the differing dates and so went back and started from scratch. I have used no other sources to construct this timeline except 3 alone--Maccabees, Josephus and Luke. And by using Thiele's analysis of accession and non-accession years, I keep coming back to 26-27 as being the Year of Jubilee.

So, I do not consider this timeline to belong to me. It isn't my timeline to give. It is the Josephus-Maccabean-Lukan timeline. It is based squarely upon their records. You might say it's been in the public domain for well over 2000 years. All I did was put the pieces together of what logically must be the case for a Josephus/Maccabees/Luke synthesis.

Gideon · Jan 16, 2015

1michael1 said:
I would actually be interested to see a timeline like mine, because I've never seen one. It would be quite interesting to find one that could agree with it through independent research.

The Kings of Israel and Judah

Yes, it does agree with your findings.

Its easier to follow if you print it out. Also, there are links to other timelines.

Cheers, Gideon

1michael1 · Jan 16, 2015

Gideon said:
The Kings of Israel and Judah

Yes, it does agree with your findings. Its easier to follow if you print it out. Also, there are links to other timelines.

Cheers, Gideon

Well, I just read through the PDF and I see a chronology and timeline of the United and Divided Kingdom period, but I didn't see anything here about sabbatic cycles with determined dates.

Is this in some other section of the book? I actually would be interested to see what others have found.

I never wanted to have to reinvent the wheel.

UPDATE: Ok, I just found his reference to the sabbatic year. He cites 591 BC, the 4th year of Jehoiakim as being a sabbatic year. This is in fact correct based upon the timeline I have pieced together from Josephus, Maccabees and Luke. This actually does represent an independent verification that I was unaware of from the book of Jeremiah 36:1 and 34:8-14. Whoever he is, he's on the right track and we are on the same year cycle. What gives me more confidence in the timeline too is that until just now, I had never heard of him.

1/50 3150 612-11 BC * Jubilee
2 611-10
3 610-09
4 609-08
5 608-07
6 607-06
7 606-05
1 605-04
2 604-03
3 603-02
4 602-01
5 601-600
6 599-98
7 598-97
1 597-96
2 596-95
3 595-94
4 594-93
5 593-92
6 592-91
7 591-90

Gideon · Jan 16, 2015

1michael1 said:
Is this in some other section of the book? I actually would be interested to see what others have found.

Have a look here for the whole book. As for the timeline that you looked at, the Sabbath years are shown with a red dot, and the Jubilees in purple. Lengthy timelines have page-size constraints unfortunately, so the book may be the way to go. :idea:

Its not over priced, and extends from Moses to Christ.
All the best with your research.

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