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DogmaHunter

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Read the post I was quoting.

He was not only attacking the fundamental beliefs of Christianity, but saying that OP shouldn't be Christian at all.


Dude, why the stubborness? Why so hellbend on making my post into something it wasn't? 4 people, including myself, told you that you were reading things into it that aren't there. Perhaps you should think about the very real possibility of you simply being in error somewhere...

My post in a nutshell:

- summarising the OP's beliefs, based on the answer he already gave me
- a request to correct my summary in case it's not accurate
- a few follow up questions in case my summary was accurate.

I asked questions because I wanted to learn about his position on the issue.

I didn't make any insinuations, I didn't make any demands or anything remotely like it.

I'm only asking about his beliefs.

Give it a rest already.
 
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There is more than a hint in his post that he is basically saying 'Sorry this was done in the name of Christ, it is not the Christ I worship and follow".
Yes, that´s why I asked my question. Why apologize for a view that you don´t hold?
I think I have always been willing and capable of differenciating between different Christian views. IOW, I am not as stupid as the OP assumes I am.

It can be easily understood as both sorrow and anger that this was done supposedly representing his God.
Personally, I really don´t want to be drawn into inner-Christian conflicts.
 
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Not quite.

He was asking what the point of Christianity was, if the OP believed a certain way.

A very legitimate question.

And what was the point of that question?

To try to get him to renounce his Christianity. Don't play these semantic games.

Dude, why the stubborness? Why so hellbend on making my post into something it wasn't? 4 people, including myself, told you that you were reading things into it that aren't there. Perhaps you should think about the very real possibility of you simply being in error somewhere...

My post in a nutshell:

- summarising the OP's beliefs, based on the answer he already gave me
- a request to correct my summary in case it's not accurate
- a few follow up questions in case my summary was accurate.

I asked questions because I wanted to learn about his position on the issue.

I didn't make any insinuations, I didn't make any demands or anything remotely like it.

I'm only asking about his beliefs.

Give it a rest already.

Because I haven't seen enough of these kinds of debates to know where this kind of thing is going?

Why do you ask "what's the point of X" and imply that X has no point, if you don't want someone to give up on X?
 
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That Jesus rose from the dead, there is a heaven, and you will go there.
Why?
That's not what Jesus said. He said, "I am the way, the truth and the light. No man comes unto the Father but by me."
 
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But still, Klansmen men were professing, church-going Christians who were doing what they thought was best for the country.
Klansman take the name of the Lord in vain; proclaiming to represent God while committing acts of evil. They do not represent Christianity. Christ does, and He never lynched anyone.
 
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And what was the point of that question?

I've told you 3 times already. I wanted to learn what the OP's belief were on the subject at hand, as he seemed to hold views different from what I usually encounter with christians.

How hard is it to understand this?
Should I not ask questions when I wish to learn about someone's beliefs? Or would you rather prefer me to simply assume the answers?

To try to get him to renounce his Christianity. Don't play these semantic games.

False. If I wanted to say that he should renounce christianity, then I would lead with that. I don't see the point of trying to hide it if that is what my goal is.

Because I haven't seen enough of these kinds of debates to know where this kind of thing is going?

I'm not engaging in debate. I am asking question to better understand the OP's position. Questions to which I still haven't received any answers btw. I still would like to see them answered.

Why do you ask "what's the point of X" and imply that X has no point, if you don't want someone to give up on X?

You should read the post as it is written, not as you assume it to be.

Again, I asked him questions about what his beliefs were regarding the "exclusivity clause" that he was ranting against in the OP, being that non-christians are doomed to hell.

His answers gave me the impression that he doesn't believe that and that he seemed to believe that all humans are saved by default through christ, regardless of being christian, atheist or what-have-you.

So, in the next post, I summarised what-I-understand-his-position-to-be and I actually literally asked him to correct me if my summary was not accurate.

Then, in case my summary WAS accurate, I asked follow up questions.

If being a christian is a requirement to even only be a candidate to enter this heaven thing, then obviously the point of christianity is quite clear.

If being a christian however is NOT a requirement to qualify as a potential candidate, and if being a christian in fact makes no difference to your chances to end up in heaven, THEN asking what the point of the religion is, seems to me to be a perfectly legitimate question.

Consider this analogy....
Suppose you have a TV that operates on voice commands and a remote control with flat batteries.
Suppose that every time you command the tv to switch channels, you grab the remote control first.

Holding the remote control makes no difference at all to switching the tv channels using voice commands.

Wouldn't it then be a perfectly legit question to ask you what the point of the remote control is? Since clearly you don't need it to switch the channel...
It could be that you hold it for different reasons then switching the channel. And in that scenario, I give you the benefit of the doubt that you actually might have such a reason which is why I ask the question...

Otherwise, I would just flat out tell you that it is pointless. But I'm not. I'm asking to see if there is something that I'm missing.


You should make less assumptions about people.
 
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