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I've had a bad couple of days.

So, last night I was invited to go to Bush Gardens here in Virginia with the following people: a friend of mine from the language school and his wife, his brother (knew them both in boot camp) and his wife, and their parents visiting from out of state. This morning I get uninvited with the reasoning being that it is a "family thing" and when I was invited the "family thing" factor was forgotten at the particular moment.

Now, ordinarily this would not bother me that much if it was not for the fact that yesterday was the command picnic at a waterpark in the area with the reasoning being that it should be "family friendly". I am a bachelor with no girlfriend and extended that family in the area that I don't like well enough to bring to such an event and, frankly, they have their own lives anyway. It was mandated that those who did not attend would be working. I like a day off, so I bought my ticket, showed up, had some food and left. Waterparks just aren't my thing especially when I show up there alone.
I'm also working the graveyard shift right now which means I work at midnight, sleep during the day, and have weekends off until Sunday night.


When did the world quit looking after the single person? Why must anything that is put on "for the public" only for those in the public who have families? I'm sorry to all the social conservatives in the world, but the family is not dieing off as much as we think it is because everything is catered to those with families in some way, shape or form. Even when I went on a self-guided tour of the battleship Wisconsin (awesome ship - wish we still made them) the museum which one had to go through to get to the ship was designed very clearly for families. I felt awkward as hell going through there after my battleship tour mainly because I figured "I paid $25 for this I will get my money's worth".

Now, this all being said, the only place where I do feel comfortable going alone would be the bars and the clubs on the oceanfront simply because I don't feel out of place for not having a family in tow. I don't feel out of place for not having some poor female glued to my hip. I don't feel out of place at all. I go in, I have some beers, I dance a while, I take a cab and go home peacefully. Then when the question is asked about what one did on the weekend suddenly I'm getting the judgmental looks for going to a place(s) know for vice.

The reason why many single people, like me, go to the bars and clubs is because society drives us to it. I get uninvited from an outing because I'm not "family" (those involved have a one-way conversation going their way) and it has happened on far too many opportunities with many different people. I go to the museums of Yorktown because I had nothing else to do today and I feel out of place there because I don't have half a dozen rugrats following me or to show things to. I feel out of place at the beaches because if I were to go I'd go alone. I don't have a girlfriend to go with and I don't have a group of friends to go with since I don't know anyone here except for the others working graveyard who, guess what, have families of their own to tend to. Where else do I have to go where there are a multitude of people my age with similar struggles? If my generation didn't stop going to church on a regular basis than "church" would be the answer here.

When did the world turn against the bachelor? When did it become so unnatural for a single man to go somewhere by himself that he gets the judgmental looks of every adult within a fifty yard radius? When did it become acceptable for cashiers in the grocery store to say "have a nice day" to the stay-at-home moms, but not to the guy who's buying his groceries for the week after working a 10 hour shift in the middle of the night? When did it become okay to uninvite someone to an event because they don't share the same blood as your parents?

Ladies and gents, this is exactly why single people do stupid things like engaging in casual sex (don't worry, its not my cup of tea). American society is not friendly towards the single man. American society is very friendly towards the single woman because then she is strong and empowered and so forth. But the single male is looked upon like a defect, unless he is a celebrity or Casanova incarnate.

Just once I would like a there to be a place or an event designed specifically for single people that does not involve copious amounts of alcohol or casual sex. Just once I would like a command or a workplace to say "there is Y event going on for the workers. If you have no dependents than you may attend or work. If you have dependents than it will be a normal workday." Just once I would like to see a bar or a club where there is a "no couples" rule that is strictly enforced (especially on Valentine's day). Just once I would like to go an entire day of not being given a judgmental look because I'm going somewhere without a girl in tow or a group of idiot friends.
We always hear about how different organizations or festivals or whathaveyou are very supportive of the troops. They need to be more supportive towards those without families. There's a radio station down here that has what they call their "Hero of the Week" where you can submit someone's name who is military and why you think they are awesome. The prize is their photo on the radio's website and a book of coupons or gift certificates. I looked at this website once and found that all of them had been nominated by their wives and girlfriends. That's not fair! If you are in a healthy relationship than no duh you're going to be your wife's hero!

So, if you are in a church that has military people in it who are without families than adopt them. Make them part of your family. Invite them to dinner or lunch on holidays, major feast days and just ordinary days. Treat them as an equal and don't give them any crap for being a bachelor. Open your homes to them because many people, like me, grew up in a broken home and need to see what a healthy home looks like so we have a better idea of what to look for in someone. It has taken me a few years to realize what I need to look for in someone because I grew up in a ridiculously chaotic broken home and didn't really get to learn what love or a healthy relationship was until I saw it in a family in Mississippi who opened their home to me for Pascha this last year. Part of why I've been single for so long is because I recognized that I didn't know what a healthy relationship is!

That is all. That is the struggle of the single Orthodox military guy who does his best to resist the temptations of the world. That being said I'm going to spend the rest of my night watching Dr. Who and questioning why I didn't become a monk. Pray for me because if this keeps going on I'll have to start a blog on the struggles of the military Orthodox bachelor!
 

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I've had a bad couple of days.

So, last night I was invited to go to Bush Gardens here in Virginia with the following people: a friend of mine from the language school and his wife, his brother (knew them both in boot camp) and his wife, and their parents visiting from out of state. This morning I get uninvited with the reasoning being that it is a "family thing" and when I was invited the "family thing" factor was forgotten at the particular moment.

Now, ordinarily this would not bother me that much if it was not for the fact that yesterday was the command picnic at a waterpark in the area with the reasoning being that it should be "family friendly". I am a bachelor with no girlfriend and extended that family in the area that I don't like well enough to bring to such an event and, frankly, they have their own lives anyway. It was mandated that those who did not attend would be working. I like a day off, so I bought my ticket, showed up, had some food and left. Waterparks just aren't my thing especially when I show up there alone.
I'm also working the graveyard shift right now which means I work at midnight, sleep during the day, and have weekends off until Sunday night.


When did the world quit looking after the single person? Why must anything that is put on "for the public" only for those in the public who have families? I'm sorry to all the social conservatives in the world, but the family is not dieing off as much as we think it is because everything is catered to those with families in some way, shape or form. Even when I went on a self-guided tour of the battleship Wisconsin (awesome ship - wish we still made them) the museum which one had to go through to get to the ship was designed very clearly for families. I felt awkward as hell going through there after my battleship tour mainly because I figured "I paid $25 for this I will get my money's worth".

Now, this all being said, the only place where I do feel comfortable going alone would be the bars and the clubs on the oceanfront simply because I don't feel out of place for not having a family in tow. I don't feel out of place for not having some poor female glued to my hip. I don't feel out of place at all. I go in, I have some beers, I dance a while, I take a cab and go home peacefully. Then when the question is asked about what one did on the weekend suddenly I'm getting the judgmental looks for going to a place(s) know for vice.

The reason why many single people, like me, go to the bars and clubs is because society drives us to it. I get uninvited from an outing because I'm not "family" (those involved have a one-way conversation going their way) and it has happened on far too many opportunities with many different people. I go to the museums of Yorktown because I had nothing else to do today and I feel out of place there because I don't have half a dozen rugrats following me or to show things to. I feel out of place at the beaches because if I were to go I'd go alone. I don't have a girlfriend to go with and I don't have a group of friends to go with since I don't know anyone here except for the others working graveyard who, guess what, have families of their own to tend to. Where else do I have to go where there are a multitude of people my age with similar struggles? If my generation didn't stop going to church on a regular basis than "church" would be the answer here.

When did the world turn against the bachelor? When did it become so unnatural for a single man to go somewhere by himself that he gets the judgmental looks of every adult within a fifty yard radius? When did it become acceptable for cashiers in the grocery store to say "have a nice day" to the stay-at-home moms, but not to the guy who's buying his groceries for the week after working a 10 hour shift in the middle of the night? When did it become okay to uninvite someone to an event because they don't share the same blood as your parents?

Ladies and gents, this is exactly why single people do stupid things like engaging in casual sex (don't worry, its not my cup of tea). American society is not friendly towards the single man. American society is very friendly towards the single woman because then she is strong and empowered and so forth. But the single male is looked upon like a defect, unless he is a celebrity or Casanova incarnate.

Just once I would like a there to be a place or an event designed specifically for single people that does not involve copious amounts of alcohol or casual sex. Just once I would like a command or a workplace to say "there is Y event going on for the workers. If you have no dependents than you may attend or work. If you have dependents than it will be a normal workday." Just once I would like to see a bar or a club where there is a "no couples" rule that is strictly enforced (especially on Valentine's day). Just once I would like to go an entire day of not being given a judgmental look because I'm going somewhere without a girl in tow or a group of idiot friends.
We always hear about how different organizations or festivals or whathaveyou are very supportive of the troops. They need to be more supportive towards those without families. There's a radio station down here that has what they call their "Hero of the Week" where you can submit someone's name who is military and why you think they are awesome. The prize is their photo on the radio's website and a book of coupons or gift certificates. I looked at this website once and found that all of them had been nominated by their wives and girlfriends. That's not fair! If you are in a healthy relationship than no duh you're going to be your wife's hero!

So, if you are in a church that has military people in it who are without families than adopt them. Make them part of your family. Invite them to dinner or lunch on holidays, major feast days and just ordinary days. Treat them as an equal and don't give them any crap for being a bachelor. Open your homes to them because many people, like me, grew up in a broken home and need to see what a healthy home looks like so we have a better idea of what to look for in someone. It has taken me a few years to realize what I need to look for in someone because I grew up in a ridiculously chaotic broken home and didn't really get to learn what love or a healthy relationship was until I saw it in a family in Mississippi who opened their home to me for Pascha this last year. Part of why I've been single for so long is because I recognized that I didn't know what a healthy relationship is!

That is all. That is the struggle of the single Orthodox military guy who does his best to resist the temptations of the world. That being said I'm going to spend the rest of my night watching Dr. Who and questioning why I didn't become a monk. Pray for me because if this keeps going on I'll have to start a blog on the struggles of the military Orthodox bachelor!
Real talk, Bruh. It is unfortunate to see the many ways that it seems single men tend to not be able to feel either respected or safe. Praying for you..
 
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I don't think that you need worry. In the future, it will be family people that will be ostracized much more than the single individual.

It IS unfortunate for you, and the circumstances did work against you. But families OUGHT to be privileged over single people in society, for society is based not on the individual, but the family. The family CAN be broken up, and that is a prime charge against slavery, that it broke up families, as the family is the one loyalty that can challenge tyranny of the state.

That said, sorry you had such combinated bad luck. I did my military time, too (5 years) and I KNOW how lonely it can be. And it is very wrong to treat ANYONE like they are diseased.
 
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Greatest thread I have ever read on CF (no understatement), I agree with everything stated...I am not military, but I know how it feels to be single in a society where everybody needs a significant other...or if not that, at least have a fling (also not my cup of tea).
 
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I'm sorry for the position you find yourself in, E.C. My prayers are with you.

I would agree it's not just the men, though I never considered it from a man's point of view. I imagine it would be more difficult for you to hang around families than it is for a single woman, though only in a certain sense.

My time as a single person in church made me the most miserable person. Our church had nothing for singles, and just seeing what appeared to be a sea of happily married couples was very discouraging to me. And yes, all the social things were geared to couples.

Now I find myself married, in Church but without my husband. Again, in an awkward position. Thankfully I seem to have been "adopted" by the seniors, and I pretty much do what they do and take part in their groups. God bless them, otherwise I'd be miserable - as it is they are a tremendous blessing to me.

We do actually have two young single military men who first attended our Church just before Pascha. The seniors have adopted them too, and they are not alone since they come together. I think it is the high regard for the military that has them the center of attention (or perhaps there are matchmaking efforts I am unaware of, lol).

But I can empathize, from when I was single.

I think 27B6 had some good advice. I was about to try some social groups centered around my interests where I used to live - I was terribly isolated. I am starting to think I may look into it again, since I think I really should get out sometime other than just Church.

My prayers for you - I hope you find things that you enjoy doing and good social interactions.
 
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It isn't just the young [ or younger ] generation or the singles.

It's also the widowed /no longer married .

I'm not often with folk - families don't really want me around - my own family [ showing my age here ] are either dying off or are several hundreds of miles away and we have rarely met because of distance. My children have their own life and friends - again are hundreds of miles away and actually neither have houses with enough room for me to go and visit and stay for a while.

Go out ??- here a woman is really looked at if she goes out to a bar on her own. Go out for a meal - and as someone on their own you are stuck in an out of the way corner and more or less forgotten !

Church - forget it - I'm not 'nash'. We have no social life as a Church Community - yes there is the 'Club' run by different folk , though they think they are the Church Community - but the Club is open on Sunday evenings -5 hours after DL has finished ! and I'm not going home and then coming back in - a 50 mile trip to sit there drinking a coffee [ they are on the hard stuff] being ignored as I'm a non-Ukrainian Speaker and the conversation is in Ukrainian. OH and don't forget the 50 mile trip back home - that round trip can take 3 hours never mind the time in the Club ' socialising' !!

EC - I feel for you - but honest - it's not just you
 
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It is more a matter of not feeling welcome than not safe. I'll go almost anywhere so long as I feel safe. Not feeling welcome though that's when and why I'm starting to become more reclusive.
That makes sense - not feeling welcome will always add a lot of unease. Be it with single males (be it previously married or never married), single women and others. It's never a good thing when others don't understand where you're coming from....
 
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I didn't date ANYONE all the way through my senior year in high school. Heck, I hardly ever dated anyone at all! I remember walking with my best friend in high school and having a few jocks say, "hey, girls, you two queer for each other?" I got accused of that and was flaburgasted! Me? Of ALL people! LOL

It's weird how society sees us. If we're not having lots of sex on a regular basis, we're somehow mentally ill. If we're not actively dating, we're bizarre. If we're not shacking up or experimenting with this and that, we're strange. Dude, don't let these folks get ya down. Keep your chin up in Christ.

I've had a bad couple of days.

So, last night I was invited to go to Bush Gardens here in Virginia with the following people: a friend of mine from the language school and his wife, his brother (knew them both in boot camp) and his wife, and their parents visiting from out of state. This morning I get uninvited with the reasoning being that it is a "family thing" and when I was invited the "family thing" factor was forgotten at the particular moment.

Now, ordinarily this would not bother me that much if it was not for the fact that yesterday was the command picnic at a waterpark in the area with the reasoning being that it should be "family friendly". I am a bachelor with no girlfriend and extended that family in the area that I don't like well enough to bring to such an event and, frankly, they have their own lives anyway. It was mandated that those who did not attend would be working. I like a day off, so I bought my ticket, showed up, had some food and left. Waterparks just aren't my thing especially when I show up there alone.
I'm also working the graveyard shift right now which means I work at midnight, sleep during the day, and have weekends off until Sunday night.


When did the world quit looking after the single person? Why must anything that is put on "for the public" only for those in the public who have families? I'm sorry to all the social conservatives in the world, but the family is not dieing off as much as we think it is because everything is catered to those with families in some way, shape or form. Even when I went on a self-guided tour of the battleship Wisconsin (awesome ship - wish we still made them) the museum which one had to go through to get to the ship was designed very clearly for families. I felt awkward as hell going through there after my battleship tour mainly because I figured "I paid $25 for this I will get my money's worth".

Now, this all being said, the only place where I do feel comfortable going alone would be the bars and the clubs on the oceanfront simply because I don't feel out of place for not having a family in tow. I don't feel out of place for not having some poor female glued to my hip. I don't feel out of place at all. I go in, I have some beers, I dance a while, I take a cab and go home peacefully. Then when the question is asked about what one did on the weekend suddenly I'm getting the judgmental looks for going to a place(s) know for vice.

The reason why many single people, like me, go to the bars and clubs is because society drives us to it. I get uninvited from an outing because I'm not "family" (those involved have a one-way conversation going their way) and it has happened on far too many opportunities with many different people. I go to the museums of Yorktown because I had nothing else to do today and I feel out of place there because I don't have half a dozen rugrats following me or to show things to. I feel out of place at the beaches because if I were to go I'd go alone. I don't have a girlfriend to go with and I don't have a group of friends to go with since I don't know anyone here except for the others working graveyard who, guess what, have families of their own to tend to. Where else do I have to go where there are a multitude of people my age with similar struggles? If my generation didn't stop going to church on a regular basis than "church" would be the answer here.

When did the world turn against the bachelor? When did it become so unnatural for a single man to go somewhere by himself that he gets the judgmental looks of every adult within a fifty yard radius? When did it become acceptable for cashiers in the grocery store to say "have a nice day" to the stay-at-home moms, but not to the guy who's buying his groceries for the week after working a 10 hour shift in the middle of the night? When did it become okay to uninvite someone to an event because they don't share the same blood as your parents?

Ladies and gents, this is exactly why single people do stupid things like engaging in casual sex (don't worry, its not my cup of tea). American society is not friendly towards the single man. American society is very friendly towards the single woman because then she is strong and empowered and so forth. But the single male is looked upon like a defect, unless he is a celebrity or Casanova incarnate.

Just once I would like a there to be a place or an event designed specifically for single people that does not involve copious amounts of alcohol or casual sex. Just once I would like a command or a workplace to say "there is Y event going on for the workers. If you have no dependents than you may attend or work. If you have dependents than it will be a normal workday." Just once I would like to see a bar or a club where there is a "no couples" rule that is strictly enforced (especially on Valentine's day). Just once I would like to go an entire day of not being given a judgmental look because I'm going somewhere without a girl in tow or a group of idiot friends.
We always hear about how different organizations or festivals or whathaveyou are very supportive of the troops. They need to be more supportive towards those without families. There's a radio station down here that has what they call their "Hero of the Week" where you can submit someone's name who is military and why you think they are awesome. The prize is their photo on the radio's website and a book of coupons or gift certificates. I looked at this website once and found that all of them had been nominated by their wives and girlfriends. That's not fair! If you are in a healthy relationship than no duh you're going to be your wife's hero!

So, if you are in a church that has military people in it who are without families than adopt them. Make them part of your family. Invite them to dinner or lunch on holidays, major feast days and just ordinary days. Treat them as an equal and don't give them any crap for being a bachelor. Open your homes to them because many people, like me, grew up in a broken home and need to see what a healthy home looks like so we have a better idea of what to look for in someone. It has taken me a few years to realize what I need to look for in someone because I grew up in a ridiculously chaotic broken home and didn't really get to learn what love or a healthy relationship was until I saw it in a family in Mississippi who opened their home to me for Pascha this last year. Part of why I've been single for so long is because I recognized that I didn't know what a healthy relationship is!

That is all. That is the struggle of the single Orthodox military guy who does his best to resist the temptations of the world. That being said I'm going to spend the rest of my night watching Dr. Who and questioning why I didn't become a monk. Pray for me because if this keeps going on I'll have to start a blog on the struggles of the military Orthodox bachelor!
 
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It isn't just the young [ or younger ] generation or the singles.

It's also the widowed /no longer married .

I'm not often with folk - families don't really want me around - my own family [ showing my age here ] are either dying off or are several hundreds of miles away and we have rarely met because of distance. My children have their own life and friends - again are hundreds of miles away and actually neither have houses with enough room for me to go and visit and stay for a while.

Go out ??- here a woman is really looked at if she goes out to a bar on her own. Go out for a meal - and as someone on their own you are stuck in an out of the way corner and more or less forgotten !

Church - forget it - I'm not 'nash'. We have no social life as a Church Community - yes there is the 'Club' run by different folk , though they think they are the Church Community - but the Club is open on Sunday evenings -5 hours after DL has finished ! and I'm not going home and then coming back in - a 50 mile trip to sit there drinking a coffee [ they are on the hard stuff] being ignored as I'm a non-Ukrainian Speaker and the conversation is in Ukrainian. OH and don't forget the 50 mile trip back home - that round trip can take 3 hours never mind the time in the Club ' socialising' !!

EC - I feel for you - but honest - it's not just you

Yes, when I talked about being "single" in Church I actually meant no longer married. It doesn't go over well in Church, socially (and these were Protestants).

There's definitely a language issue at my Church too - I'm not Greek. Sometimes they remember me, and speak English or translate. Sometimes I sit there with a wall of strange words around me, trying to apply lessons and understand. (I hear lots of "yes" "no" and "good".)

I'm sorry to hear yours is like that. If it was 5 hours after DL I couldn't stay either. :( Any chance of a regular coffee hour right after?
 
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by the time I get the collection baskets for the deacon and I to count - the pair of us , our priest , his wife and kiddy are the only ones left in Church !

I have NEVER seen a Church empty of its small congregation as fast as that. I have to contrast it with my Confessor's parish - chalk and cheese - they apologise to me when they slip into Ukrainian !
 
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by the time I get the collection baskets for the deacon and I to count - the pair of us , our priest , his wife and kiddy are the only ones left in Church !

I have NEVER seen a Church empty of its small congregation as fast as that. I have to contrast it with my Confessor's parish - chalk and cheese - they apologise to me when they slip into Ukrainian !

Wow. That's sad, yes.

Would you want, would the priest be amenable ... To maybe bring a cake and have him invite folks to stay? Maybe once, then once a month, then maybe weekly? Ease them into it if it works? Or plan a community meal?

Just wondering?
 
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I live in your area. There's only a small # of Orthodox churches, I visited one for awhile - does yours have anything at all to support you? For young adults in general, not just married with kids? What base are you stationed at? ( You can PM me if you want.) I know the bases do often make things about the "family," & I can see how tough that would be for a single person.
 
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Our parish empties out at high speed. As people are processing out venerating the Cross in Father's hand and taking antidoron bread, they rapidly file out. There are only about ten of us in total doing the post-communion prayers. It is always me, Joseph Hazen in here, and about 2-3 other people with others listening on. That is one thing our parish needs to work on...people are a little too zealous for coffee hour! :o:o

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by the time I get the collection baskets for the deacon and I to count - the pair of us , our priest , his wife and kiddy are the only ones left in Church !

I have NEVER seen a Church empty of its small congregation as fast as that. I have to contrast it with my Confessor's parish - chalk and cheese - they apologise to me when they slip into Ukrainian !
 
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Our parish empties out at high speed. As people are processing out venerating the Cross in Father's hand and taking antidoron bread, they rapidly file out. There are only about ten of us in total doing the post-communion prayers. It is always me, Joseph Hazen in here, and about 2-3 other people with others listening on. That is one thing our parish needs to work on...people are a little too zealous for coffee hour! :o:o

Post-communion prayers?

Are they the ones that are part of the liturgy?

Father M. often finishes the liturgy, then has everyone wait for a second little homily, announcements, or whatever. Sometimes not if there is a memorial. It actually varies quite a bit.

But I wonder if you mean other prayers?

Many have time to pray after the Eucharist while waiting for others to receive, I think. I'm just not sure if there's really time for this. But I usually stay in my seat while most people go forward. It does take time.

I need to check the liturgy book again. I believe it includes private post-communion prayers. I know there are plenty of private pre-communion prayers in there.
 
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In many parishes, they read the "private" post-communion prayers from your book after liturgy, usually while and after people venerate the cross. Some parishes don't, for various reasons.
 
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It isn't just the young [ or younger ] generation or the singles.

It's also the widowed /no longer married .

I'm not often with folk - families don't really want me around - my own family [ showing my age here ] are either dying off or are several hundreds of miles away and we have rarely met because of distance. My children have their own life and friends - again are hundreds of miles away and actually neither have houses with enough room for me to go and visit and stay for a while.

Go out ??- here a woman is really looked at if she goes out to a bar on her own. Go out for a meal - and as someone on their own you are stuck in an out of the way corner and more or less forgotten !

Church - forget it - I'm not 'nash'. We have no social life as a Church Community - yes there is the 'Club' run by different folk , though they think they are the Church Community - but the Club is open on Sunday evenings -5 hours after DL has finished ! and I'm not going home and then coming back in - a 50 mile trip to sit there drinking a coffee [ they are on the hard stuff] being ignored as I'm a non-Ukrainian Speaker and the conversation is in Ukrainian. OH and don't forget the 50 mile trip back home - that round trip can take 3 hours never mind the time in the Club ' socialising' !!

EC - I feel for you - but honest - it's not just you
Good thoughts - the struggle is shared by so many in a lot of different ways.
 
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