Is transgender a lie?

I believe that it all falls down to acceptance and how we were brought up. If a child prefers boys toys yet is a girl. Then the girl should be given boys toys along with girls toys. The parent should continually make comments to the child, like how pretty she looks with her hair long. How pretty she looks in a dress etc. I do not believe that mothers of gender non acceptance encouraged their child to accept who they were. It is a fact that there are so many circumstances to it all. As adults if they have not found a way out of it, they just fashionably go along with gender change. Of course it is a choice, it is a choice to give in the struggle. Some of us have very large struggles, and need so much more to understand things. Psychologists today also encourage gender change as they do not know what else to do.

For adults I believe that there is something that they can do but to find it takes times and most just give up and embrace their gender non acceptance and try and change sex, I think that this is very sad. It is mind over matter and if one is weak then they will give in, I believe it is a form of mental illness to accept a gender that is not what they were born with.

quartzy said:

I believe that it all falls down to acceptance and how we were brought up. If a child prefers boys toys yet is a girl. Then the girl should be given boys toys along with girls toys. The parent should continually make comments to the child, like how pretty she looks with her hair long. How pretty she looks in a dress etc. I do not believe that mothers of gender non acceptance encouraged their child to accept who they were. It is a fact that there are so many circumstances to it all. As adults if they have not found a way out of it, they just fashionably go along with gender change. Of course it is a choice, it is a choice to give in the struggle. Some of us have very large struggles, and need so much more to understand things. Psychologists today also encourage gender change as they do not know what else to do.

For adults I believe that there is something that they can do but to find it takes times and most just give up and embrace their gender non acceptance and try and change sex, I think that this is very sad. It is mind over matter and if one is weak then they will give in, I believe it is a form of mental illness to accept a gender that is not what they were born with.

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In a way you are right. I am tired. Tired of being depressed and hating myself. 43 years was long enough looking for another way to be happy with the way I was.

quartzy said:

I believe that it all falls down to acceptance and how we were brought up. If a child prefers boys toys yet is a girl. Then the girl should be given boys toys along with girls toys. The parent should continually make comments to the child, like how pretty she looks with her hair long. How pretty she looks in a dress etc. I do not believe that mothers of gender non acceptance encouraged their child to accept who they were. .

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Some clinicians have tried that... it has very mixed results. Sometimes people claim to lose their desire to transition, but they continue to have self-destructive habits and low self-esteem.

I guess some people want to see everything in black and white, that's the whole problem.

Joykins said:

"Cop-outs" don't usually have such horrifyingly high suicide rates.

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Tell a Muslim terrorist that.

Once you lean toward a certain bias and are coerced enough, one is bound to do something bad.

I'll ask transgenders the same question I ask all LGBT: where were you all just a few decades ago?
How convenient that you were all 'forced to be in secret'. Did half of transgenders kill themselves?

Or

Did they NOT and the actual percentage of you all was likely less then half until it became a subculture and fully accepted as something to embrace?


You know, you all are on an extreme slope with that, and you don't have to deal with facing that reality because you have a bunch of loudmouth liberals to trivialize that.
You all go on this emotional escapade and expect 'compassion', but it's that compassion that you all have taken complete advantage of and so you will get none from me.

Skybringr said:

Tell a Muslim terrorist that.

Once you lean toward a certain bias and are coerced enough, one is bound to do something bad.

I'll ask transgenders the same question I ask all LGBT: where were you all just a few decades ago?
How convenient that you were all 'forced to be in secret'. Did half of transgenders kill themselves?

Or

Did they NOT and the actual percentage of you all was likely less then half until it became a subculture and fully accepted as something to embrace?


You know, you all are on an extreme slope with that, and you don't have to deal with facing that reality because you have a bunch of loudmouth liberals to trivialize that.
You all go on this emotional escapade and expect 'compassion', but it's that compassion that you all have taken complete advantage of and so you will get none from me.

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PopesFollower said:

"Transgender" is just another sick twisted idea born of a debased perverted society.

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Do you believe that transgenderism have some genetic basis to it? According to some studies, it does.

First off, just to be very clear..... I AM a transsexual.

Autumnleaf said:

I've been told men and women who want to be women and men get operations and take drugs so they look like what they are not born as.

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First, it's not that I, or they, WANT to be the opposite sex. It's that we have always, as far back as memory goes, identified exclusively with that sex.

Secondly, The point of transition is not to "look like what they are not born as". The point is to look like what is really inside and be able to communicate that which is inside in the same manner that cisgender people do, through appearance.

Autumnleaf said:

Isn't this a lie?

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I WAS living a lie when I was making believe that I was what everyone expected me to be. It was purely a mask to hopefully gain acceptance. THAT is a lie. Because it was not real, nor at all honest.

Autumnleaf said:

Lets say they succeed in not looking like what they were born as and they go meet someone. What then? Do they tell them they can't have children because they have misrepresented themselves or do they live the lie?

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I am quite open about my circumstances. While I do not wear a sign around my neck that proclaims "Transsexual", I do reveal my status to any and all with whom I have even the slightest relationship, even the woman next door. Simplest way to say it is that I do not advertise, but I will not hide it either. Why should I hide it? I am not in sin in transitioning.

Skybringr said:

I'll ask transgenders the same question I ask all LGBT: where were you all just a few decades ago?
How convenient that you were all 'forced to be in secret'. Did half of transgenders kill themselves?

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I DO have a few friends that DID kill themselves. They did so because of repeated and inescapable exposure to the same attitude that you are expressing. Not because of what they were. And I have dozens and dozens of friends and other acquaintances that have tried to for just the same reasons, and failed. So, they are still here. Much to your disappointment and disgust, no doubt.

FireDragon76 said:

Some clinicians have tried that... it has very mixed results. Sometimes people claim to lose their desire to transition, but they continue to have self-destructive habits and low self-esteem.

I guess some people want to see everything in black and white, that's the whole problem.

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They don't lose their desire to transition. They lose their resolve. Out of fear of abandonment by those who insist they are "confused". Hence the other symptoms are not remedied, and the self-destructive habits and self-esteem issues still abound. Often they crawl into a shell that nobody can see into or even recognize that it exists. That shell is a deathtrap that very often ends the life, permanently. Been there.

Superhero Sam said:

Do you believe that transgenderism have some genetic basis to it? According to some studies, it does.

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Not genetic, but biological.

Studies have been done on identical twins. Many twins have been identified where one is transsexual and the other is not. If memory serves me correctly, I believe there has only been one set of identical twins identified where they both were trans.

It HAS been shown to be physical and biological in its nature. The initial cause(s) of it happening has not yet been definitely identified. However, professional opinion has been that there is a malfunction in the timing of hormone releases from the mother in utero which leads to a differential in brain chemistry and structure.

The structure which has been shown to be involved is inaccessible on a live patient. Therefore, treating the brain is not yet feasible.

StephanieSomer said:

I DO have a few friends that DID kill themselves. They did so because of repeated and inescapable exposure to the same attitude that you are expressing. Not because of what they were. And I have dozens and dozens of friends and other acquaintances that have tried to for just the same reasons, and failed. So, they are still here. Much to your disappointment and disgust, no doubt.

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You didn't join a Christian forum for any other reason then to tempt the spirits, swelled by the liberal front. I'm going to give what you bargained for, you have every liberal on this site who will make you feel warm and fuzzy. It's not going to be me.

If you all would just admit that it is not natural, that there is no evidence that it is innate and that you all just socially disordered, then I would have more compassion.

But instead, you all have tried to say otherwise, and tell others we are wrong, and that you all are just as applicable to Christianity as anyone else even though you are living a life of idolatry.

No Christian could possibly embrace and promote sex reassignment. That is just a complete jump off from everything of the Abrahamic God. If you feel you are a Christian, you will reverse your sex back to normal and be what God meant for you to be, and let your religion be your strength rather then hormone pills and surgery.

quartzy said:

I believe that it all falls down to acceptance and how we were brought up. If a child prefers boys toys yet is a girl. Then the girl should be given boys toys along with girls toys. The parent should continually make comments to the child, like how pretty she looks with her hair long. How pretty she looks in a dress etc.

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That was the position of a lot of therapists and psychologists in the 60's and 70's. So, studies were done to ascertain whether that notion had any credence. The results said quite the contrary.

quartzy said:

I do not believe that mothers of gender non acceptance encouraged their child to accept who they were. It is a fact that there are so many circumstances to it all. As adults if they have not found a way out of it, they just fashionably go along with gender change.

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Fashionably? There's nothing fashionable about it. It's hard, painful (both physically and emotionally), and very expensive. Not to mention the direct cause of a lot of ridicule and disgust from other people.

quartzy said:

Of course it is a choice, it is a choice to give in the struggle. Some of us have very large struggles, and need so much more to understand things. Psychologists today also encourage gender change as they do not know what else to do.

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I'll agree there is an element of choice. The choice is to eliminate the pain through transition, or death. It's not as rosy from this side as you seem to think it is. Almost anyone that HAS transitioned will give the same advice...."Do not transition unless you have absolutely no other alternative." Transition is usually a last ditch effort to stay alive.

Psychologists DO recommend transition nowadays because they have tried so many different techniques in the past that were dismal failures and they have recognized the success rate of transition to be well over 98%.

Btw, Some of those earlier treatment techniques ended the lives of their patients. And many others that did manage to survive became almost vegetables.

Still think they should return to those methods?

quartzy said:

For adults I believe that there is something that they can do but to find it takes times and most just give up and embrace their gender non acceptance and try and change sex, I think that this is very sad. It is mind over matter and if one is weak then they will give in, I believe it is a form of mental illness to accept a gender that is not what they were born with.

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Mind over matter? Guess you have no education in psychology. No it most definitely is not.

While YOU may believe it to be a mental illness, neither the American Medical Association agrees with you, nor the American Psychologicol Association. Both have issued statements of recognition of transsexuality as a medical condition based on clinical studies which have all agreed that it is. And those two are only the 2 biggest ones. There are many, many other professional organizations that don't take your view.

Last point is that you are equating sex and gender. I WAS born with a male sex. I was also born with a female gender. Your gender isn't determined by your crotch. It's in your brain.

Skybringr said:

You didn't join a Christian forum for any other reason then to tempt the spirits, swelled by the liberal front. I'm going to give what you bargained for, you have every liberal on this site who will make you feel warm and fuzzy. It's not going to be me.

If you all would just admit that it is not natural, that there is no evidence that it is innate and that you all just socially disordered, then I would have more compassion.

But instead, you all have tried to say otherwise, and tell others we are wrong, and that you all are just as applicable to Christianity as anyone else even though you are living a life of idolatry.

No Christian could possibly embrace and promote sex reassignment. That is just a complete jump off from everything of the Abrahamic God. If you feel you are a Christian, you will reverse your sex back to normal and be what God meant for you to be, and let your religion be your strength rather then hormone pills and surgery.

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and when someone is talking about suicide and all you can do is spout "get back to normal" where is the Lord you speak of... ? There is no compassion, no understanding, no empathy... only judgement and not from God but from you.

There are times when you should express exactly what you believe, this is not one of those times... get a heart please.
its obvious you don't have any understanding of transgender issues but to not even have common decency... its as if someone you thought was a sinner was on a bridge and your yelling "jump".
If you can't be more compassionate than that maybe you need to take a break... connect with your own sinful self and go to the Lord with that before you kill someone

Skybringr said:

You didn't join a Christian forum for any other reason then to tempt the spirits, swelled by the liberal front. I'm going to give what you bargained for, you have every liberal on this site who will make you feel warm and fuzzy. It's not going to be me.

If you all would just admit that it is not natural, that there is no evidence that it is innate and that you all just socially disordered, then I would have more compassion.

But instead, you all have tried to say otherwise, and tell others we are wrong, and that you all are just as applicable to Christianity as anyone else even though you are living a life of idolatry.

No Christian could possibly embrace and promote sex reassignment. That is just a complete jump off from everything of the Abrahamic God. If you feel you are a Christian, you will reverse your sex back to normal and be what God meant for you to be, and let your religion be your strength rather then hormone pills and surgery.

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What you are doing right now is really, really mean and I ask that you please stop. I don't know your intentions and cannot judge them, but what you are doing is incredibly cruel. You don't have to be in favor of transgenderism (or anything that goes along with it) to treat other people with respect, love, charity, and kindness.

Matthew 22: 34 But when the Pharisees heard that he had silenced the Sadducees, they gathered together. 35 And one of them, a lawyer, asked him a question to test him. 36 “Teacher, which is the great commandment in the Law?” 37 And he said to him, “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. 38 This is the great and first commandment. 39 And a second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. 40 On these two commandments depend all the Law and the Prophets.”

No matter how wrong you think transgenderism is, please treat transgender people with love and charity.

Skybringr said:

If you all would just admit that it is not natural, that there is no evidence that it is innate and that you all just socially disordered, then I would have more compassion.

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I have posted several sources in other threads to support the assertion that it IS innate, as have others, and you know that. How many sources have you pointed to in support of anything you've said regarding the issue? Not a one. After my, and many others, repeated requests for your references, you still just keep repeating the same position with absolutely nothing to back you up. I will defend your right to keep your opinions. But, you're making them all up in your head without researching anything. It takes reasons to reach a conclusion. That's where the word "reasonable" comes from. Yours aren't reasonable. They SEEM to be all driven by emotion. One can only guess why.

StephanieSomer said:

One can only guess why.

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My money is on an almost pathologic conflation of transexuality with homosexual activity , combined with, shall we say, self loathing?

@Andrea and devnet.....
Let Sky keep talking. He still hasn't realized just how helpful he is in proving my points. His attitude is a real drag on his position. He doesn't seem to recognize it yet, though.

At any rate, I really do defend his right to hold and express his opinions, even if he'd rather not hear mine. He has done me no wrong. I still cherish him as a brother. That won't change.


Plus, he will mellow with age, I'm sure of it.

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@Andrea and devnet.....
Let Sky keep talking. He still hasn't realized just how helpful he is in proving my points. His attitude is a real drag on his position. He doesn't seem to recognize it yet, though.

At any rate, I really do defend his right to hold and express his opinions, even if he'd rather not hear mine. He has done me no wrong. I still cherish him as a brother. That won't change.


Plus, he will mellow with age, I'm sure of it.

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The issue is though that his kind of ranting attracts others of similar but perhaps not as strong views, and riles them up into a mob mentality.

PsychoSarah said:

The issue is though that his kind of ranting attracts others of similar but perhaps not as strong views, and riles them up into a mob mentality.

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Which, in the end, totally denudes their position of any persuasive validity.

StephanieSomer said:

Which, in the end, totally denudes their position of any persuasive validity.

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Perhaps, but it can also drive people to be drastic and stupid.