The real meaning of futurism

parousia70 said:

Welcome to Preterism

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parousia70 said:

Welcome to Preterism

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I thought Preterism was dependent on viewing Babylon as Rome? The Beast burning Babylon refers to Nero burning Rome.

The idea that Jerusalem is Babylon, whether from a Preterist or Futurist perspective is silly. Jerusalem is clearly distinct form Babylonin Revelation 11, Jeruslame is under the Control of God fearing people after the Rapture of the Witnesses.

Interplanner said:

In Rev 17, the beast does 4 things to the harlot, all of which are imagery or metaphor, so the connection to burning Rome is not as you think. The ID of the harlot depends more on the similarity to Mt 23 about her killing all God's prophets since time began.

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Got to go back to Semiramis, Inter.

Where did the storks take woman, who represented wickedness?
(I'm pulling an Inter , here in not copying and pasting the bible passage).

Interplanner said:

I don't know Semiramis from anything.

The term for harlot is that of a wayward Levitical priest's wife. Does that bring any closure?

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Inter, the woman in Revelation 17 has the inscription on her head written, Mystery, Babylon the Great.

In Zechariah 5:
6 And I said, What is it? And he said, This is an ephah that goeth forth. He said moreover, This is their resemblance through all the earth.
7 And, behold, there was lifted up a talent of lead: and this is a woman that sitteth in the midst of the ephah.
8 And he said, This is wickedness. And he cast it into the midst of the ephah; and he cast the weight of lead upon the mouth thereof.
9 Then lifted I up mine eyes, and looked, and, behold, there came out two women, and the wind was in their wings; for they had wings like the wings of a stork: and they lifted up the ephah between the earth and the heaven.
10 Then said I to the angel that talked with me, Whither do these bear the ephah?
11 And he said unto me, To build it an house in the land of Shinar: and it shall be established, and set there upon her own base.


from a website:


[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]King Tukulti-Ninurta, or Nimrod if you prefer the Biblical version, was said to have ruled the land of Shinar and founded several great cities, including Babylon, at about 2,182 B.C. The link between the two names is this: the Genesis account claims that Nimrod founded the City of Nineveh. Justin's Histori Romani Scriptorium, however, gives credit of founding Nineveh to the Assyrian king Tukulti-Ninurta I who existed from 1246 to 1206 B.C.

Semiramis was the wife of Tukulti-Ninurta, or Nimrod. She was said to have not only been very beautiful, but also politically powerful. As the story goes, both Nimrod and Semiramis established themselves as the gods Marduk and Astarte. The construction of the towers, or ziggurats throughout Mesopotamia was, in some way, connected to this religious system.

There are several versions of how Semiramis got to be the declared mother of god. One of them said that after the death of Nimrod, Semiramis bore a son, Tammuz. Since she could not have conceived the child from the dead Nimrod, she proclaimed it to have been a miracle conception and that Tammuz was Marduk reborn.


Inter, Tammuz is in the bible, in the old testament. The origin of all false religion goes back to the tower of Babel and Nimrod. Semiramis and her son religion got spread into all the ancient world, in different forms. Semiramis is of course long dead, but the prostitute to the Christian religion is that the RCC teaching Mary is God's mother - is an adaptation from Semiramis. And the organization teaching that is the Vatican, which the RCC is guilty of atrocities of killing the saints over the long haul and during the inquisition especially.


The kings of the earth though have benefited from catering to the Vatican, and because of Political necessity. The Vatican however has a position that will be intolerable after the Antichrist beast declares that he is God in the flesh - and that is the Vatican says Jesus is God. So the ten kings who side with the Antichrist-beast, will burn the Vatican to the ground, essentially but not conscientiously, carrying out God's judgment on the long term false teachings of the RCC stemming from Semiramis, but adopted to Christianity, in their veneration of Mary as the mother of God. (I may be forced to edit that statement out, and speak in code, as this site sometimes doesn't allow criticism of the RCC)


Land of Shinar, wickedness comes out of Babylon, back to the tower of Babel, and the beast - Nimrod, who Semiramis is riding.




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Interplanner said:

Possibly, if the material is not about its own times. Jerusalem is already mystically called Sodom and Egypt, too.

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That's what we call "likened to" right? Just like Jesus likened Peter to Satan when Peter said oh surely that won't happen to you - regarding Jesus dying on the cross, because had Satan known ahead of time that Jesus's death would free mankind from sin - he Satan would have never had partaked in the crucifying of Jesus.

Also "antichrists" being likened to the Antichrist who them in 1John2 had already heard that individual was coming.

Interplanner said:

By their fruits then: the description of the harlot is one of murderer of all God's prophets from time began, which is an expression in Mt 23.

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Didn't Jesus call them vipers in likening them to Satan - which he would have been responsible for the deaths of all them from the beginning of time. That's who he was really talking about in verse 35.

33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?
34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:
35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.
36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.

Verse 35 is that the guilt is going to be placed on Satan. That generation of pharisees were being likened to Satan in his actions.

Satan wanted Jesus put to death - because he thought by killing the king - it would keep the kingdom of God from replacing his kingdom overshadowing the world - not knowing that by killing Jesus, on the cross, that would free mankind from the guilt of sin, so that God could justly prosecute Satan and destroy him for his sin - without equally destroying all of mankind for our sins as well. See it? That's why we have been "justified" by Jesus's blood. Isn't that what you preach?

Inter, you need to get back to the internet and do some more research on Semiramis and Nimrod, and the tower of babel Figure out the mystery Babylon the Great connection, with wickedness and the plain of Shinar, and who is the beast in the bottomless pit. And that 666 number of the beast's name. I think it is somewhere in the bible, if the right connections are made, but I don't what it is right now.

Douggg said:

Didn't Jesus call them vipers in likening them to Satan - which he would have been responsible for the deaths of all them from the beginning of time. That's who he was really talking about in verse 35.

33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?
34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:
35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.
36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.

Verse 35 is that the guilt is going to be placed on Satan. That generation of pharisees were being likened to Satan in his actions.

Satan wanted Jesus put to death - because he thought by killing the king - it would keep the kingdom of God from replacing his kingdom overshadowing the world - not knowing that by killing Jesus, on the cross, that would free mankind from the guilt of sin, so that God could justly prosecute Satan and destroy him for his sin - without equally destroying all of mankind for our sins as well. See it? That's why we have been "justified" by Jesus's blood. Isn't that what you preach?

Inter, you need to get back to the internet and do some more research on Semiramis and Nimrod, and the tower of babel Figure out the mystery Babylon the Great connection, with wickedness and the plain of Shinar, and who is the beast in the bottomless pit. And that 666 number of the beast's name. I think it is somewhere in the bible, if the right connections are made, but I don't what it is right now.

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I just had my mind blown by this.


Great read, and rebuttal.