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(Rotherham) 1 Corinthians 14:12 So, ye, also--since ye are, envious, of spirits, unto the upbuilding of the assembly, seek to be pre-eminent.
Rotherham says envious, others say zealous, others say something else. Being envious of spirits would mean to try and be like them. and that father they are your friends then seek to be envious of them for the upbuilding of the church. if it means zealous, then it would mean that we should be Zealous in having spirits and once we have them well then they are your friends and you should seek to be zealous in having them for the upbuilding of the church, but they have to be your friends first, to up build you first before you can use them to up build the church, It means both. I don't think anyone can understand this verse until they begin to see angels and experience them. Which is why this verse is usally changed from what it really says.
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Yes. Zealous is the upper motion of Jealousy, when you understand what is the law of attraction, but a magnet to learn.
You must see every person in a zealous nature of understanding what you receive is what you can learn. Do not press towards the goal that yesterday enslaved, but the hidden goal that is beyond it, and your Spirit will be full of zeal in time.
Philippines 3:14
John 3:14
We would all say what needs to be said at the time that demands it, so two breaths can become one.
You must see every person in a zealous nature of understanding what you receive is what you can learn. Do not press towards the goal that yesterday enslaved, but the hidden goal that is beyond it, and your Spirit will be full of zeal in time.
Philippines 3:14
John 3:14
We would all say what needs to be said at the time that demands it, so two breaths can become one.
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Im sorry but you didnt completely put the scriptures the way its worded. You seem to have left out one key world thatll change what youre trying to say. Some bibles say 1Cor. 14:12 Even so ye, forasmuch as ye are zealous of spiritual gifts, seek that ye may excel to the edifying of the church. Others say for gifts of the Spirit. My point is you left out GIFTS.Youre statement makes it seem as though there are spirits with us. in the sense of having spiritual friends around us. Or . we should be Zealous in having spirits and once we have them well then they are your friends
the ONLY spiritual beings that'll deal with humans are Angels. they are NOT allowed on earth unless God still chooses to send them to whom he choses. what you said is false because Paul is speaking of gifts like speaking in different languages, (tongues),verses 13-15. He wasnt referring to spirit beings. He was directing that one who has these gifts, make sure they use it to uplift or improve the church. We have to make sure were posting the total scripture. And understand what were saying, it could mean not only the life of other who understand it wrong, but ours too. peace
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Phantasman
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Im sorry but you didnt completely put the scriptures the way its worded. You seem to have left out one key world thatll change what youre trying to say. Some bibles say 1Cor. 14:12 Even so ye, forasmuch as ye are zealous of spiritual gifts, seek that ye may excel to the edifying of the church. Others say for gifts of the Spirit. My point is you left out GIFTS.Youre statement makes it seem as though there are spirits with us. in the sense of having spiritual friends around us. Or . we should be Zealous in having spirits and once we have them well then they are your friends
the ONLY spiritual beings that'll deal with humans are Angels. they are NOT allowed on earth unless God still chooses to send them to whom he choses. what you said is false because Paul is speaking of gifts like speaking in different languages, (tongues),verses 13-15. He wasnt referring to spirit beings. He was directing that one who has these gifts, make sure they use it to uplift or improve the church. We have to make sure were posting the total scripture. And understand what were saying, it could mean not only the life of other who understand it wrong, but ours too. peace
The Rotherham Bible doesn't have the word "gifts" in that scripture. But here is another Bible, translated in 1902, using Old English (1600) text again from Hebrew and Greek.
I believe that people think Jesus spoke Old English.
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Have you seen this site re: how to contact angels? Angel and Spirit Guides: How to Contact Angels
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JRSut1000
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Um, try a more normal translation - it's talking about seeking spiritual gifts for the edification of the body. Corinthians has much to say about what those spiritual gifts are, so to take it out of context and say 'it means seek ghosts/spirit guides' is utterly ridiculous. Cant just pull a verse out of thin air and say 'hey, look at this!', gotta look in context.
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I left gifts out because it's not in the word of God, man put it in there, not God. I go by what God said, not by what man has changed it to read.
JOJo said:
The greek word in 1 cor. 14.12 is pneuma. Pneuma is the greek word for spirit, not spiritual gifts. If you look at the KJV you will note that gifts is in italics, which is the KJV Way of saying that gifts is not in the greek, and it isn't. The greek word for spiritual gifts is charismata, not pneuma. Just because most all bibles mistranslate it doesn't mean that the mis translation is correct.JOJo said:
Demons don't deal with humans?JoJo said:
Here is what the TR interlinear translates it as.JoJo said:they are NOT allowed on earth unless God still chooses to send them to whom he choses. what you said is false because Paul is speaking of gifts like speaking in different languages, (tongues),verses 13-15. He wasnt referring to spirit beings. He was directing that one who has these gifts, make sure they use it to uplift or improve the church. We have to make sure were posting the total scripture. And understand what were saying, it could mean not only the life of other who understand it wrong, but ours too. peace
Search for 'Genesis 1:1' in the version
pneumaton, plural of spirits.
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My point is almost all translations don't translate it correctly.
It says spirits it doesn't say spiritual gifts.JRSut said:
The greek word in 1 cor. 14.12 is pneuma, and pneuma doesn't mean spiritual gifts it means spirits. I agree that 1 cor. 14.12 should be interpreted in the context of the passage. But I do not agree that the word should be changed to agree with ones intepretation of the verse.JRSut said:
I never said it means ghosts/spirit guides. And I didn't say 'hey look at this."
Pneuma means spirit, and pneuma is the word used in 1 cor. 14.12 not charismata.
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I believe the only right way to see spirits is if God opens your eyes to their presence. I believe all christians have spirits sent from God to help them. Seeing spirits of God and interacting with spirits from God, is something God bestows not something one can do.
but the verse says "seek that ye may abound in them". I take that to mean that once God opens a persons eyes to the presence of his spirits, that one should seek to abound in spirits by interacting with them. As one interacts with spirits of God, one gets them more involved with their lives and ministrys. As the spirits of God become more involved, more spirits of God come to get involved.
1 Corinthians 14:32 And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets.
THis is a key verse to apply when discerning spirits. Spirits from God will be subject to you. Spirits from satan will not. Spirits from satan will try and get you to do things you know you shouldn't, Spirits from God will not do that.
Hebrews 1:7 And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.
Hebrews 1:14 Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?
Having angel friends is good because they will minister to one. That's another way to know that an angel friend is from God.
Hebrews 12:9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?
God is the Father of spirits, but he doesn't want us to be friends with any of them? No way.
1 John 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
So whille angel friends is a good thing, one must be on gaurd and try the spirits , once the spirits have been tried, then a friendship can develop.
It's just a suspicion of mine, b ut I think Joan d'arc was friends with angelic spirits, but because of her false theology, she thought they were dead saints called st. margaret, and st. catherine. But one shouldn't blame Joan D'arc for her false theology, she was just an illiterate paesant girl who only had the teachings of the catholic church of the 15th century to go by, plus she was quite young.
Hoorah for the angel corps.
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