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I'm becoming increasingly convinced that the most important thing in a partner is how compatible his/her approach to running a household is with yours.

Do you see a house as nothing more than an investment in real estate while your partner sees it as a medium for self-expression? Does your partner think of housekeeping as a set of chores while you see it as caring for everybody who lives in the home and may visit there? Do you see money as a necessary evil while your partner sees money as something to celebrate? Etc., etc.

I have not read anything about it, but it would not surprise me to find that empirical research shows that differences in attitudes/outlooks/approaches like the ones above are a reliable predictor of dissatisfaction in a relationship.

If I marry a woman that means that I am going to be running a household--and every detail of it--with her. I know that a lot of people preach compromise, compromise, compromise, but I invest too much thought and care--too much passion--into running my household to think, "I care about having a clean, organized household while she would rather spend all day at the mall and does not care how messy or disorganized things are. We will find a way to split the difference".

On the other hand, I know that I live in a culture where people seem to have increasingly short attention spans and where people increasingly do not seem to like to put any thought into anything other than their fantasy football league. Therefore, maybe I need to accept that I am in the minority and my choices are to either share an uninspiring living room with somebody or continue to live alone.
 

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I'm sure it's a factor. People tend to go for people who are similar, the old "opposites attract" thing is a load of bologna.

How one keeps his/her household is usually an extension of their personality and their passions and overall lifestyles. A laid back person may not care that the house is not pristine, while a high strung individual may be nearly OCD about order in the house. Obviously if those two opposite people got together, there would be issues. My household is over run with pets. I have dogs running around, cats running around, rats, reptiles...I don't really keep things pristine because they're going to get messed up. I wouldn't spend thousands of dollars on new furniture because I know there will be dogs laying on it and cats possibly poking holes in it; I'd rather buy something from Goodwill even if it means getting something that's scuffed on the corners already or not exactly what I may have wanted. A lot of people couldn't live like this. And like you said, compromise isn't really an option. I will not make my dogs "outside dogs" because my SO wants pretty furniture and carpet.
 
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I'm sure it's a factor. People tend to go for people who are similar, the old "opposites attract" thing is a load of bologna.

How one keeps his/her household is usually an extension of their personality and their passions and overall lifestyles. A laid back person may not care that the house is not pristine, while a high strung individual may be nearly OCD about order in the house. Obviously if those two opposite people got together, there would be issues. My household is over run with pets. I have dogs running around, cats running around, rats, reptiles...I don't really keep things pristine because they're going to get messed up. I wouldn't spend thousands of dollars on new furniture because I know there will be dogs laying on it and cats possibly poking holes in it; I'd rather buy something from Goodwill even if it means getting something that's scuffed on the corners already or not exactly what I may have wanted. A lot of people couldn't live like this. And like you said, compromise isn't really an option. I will not make my dogs "outside dogs" because my SO wants pretty furniture and carpet.

Well...... I am NO Felix Unger(remember The Odd Couple?). However,I feel that it is depressing to come home everyday to a pigpen. Even though I live alone,I cannot let my place get too junky. Whenever I go on vacation or out of town,I clean my apartment and carpet very well. It feels SO good to come home to a well kept abode.

I know a single lady who has never been married. She put me in her"Friend Zone". Sure, I felt bad about it,at first.After we were both unemployed,she would invite me over to her place about every other week. NOW,I am glad that she was not intrested in any romance with me! Coming over to her place was depressing.I helped cleaned her place up for a Christmas Party. After the party(December 13th of that year),there was a KFC bucket,with chicken bones on her coffee table. Now,this is the Sunday School Gospel truth. On February 12,on the following year,that KFC bucket and it's chicken bones were STILL on that SAME coffee table.
That mess was such a turn-off! I mean,how could ANY man would want to kiss ANY woman,on ANY part of her body, who lives in such filth?
Before she moved away,a friend of mine told me that he was going to help her clean up her apartment . I aksed him," Are you current with your tetanus shots?
 
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I'm becoming increasingly convinced that the most important thing in a partner is how compatible his/her approach to running a household is with yours.
It is important to be sure, but I simply have a hard time believing that identical household-management principles can overrule the tension brought about in a marriage betwixt a fundamentalist Christian and one of the "angry atheist" types.—this is an example on one end of extreme, but the basis of the illustration still applies.

I know a single lady who has never been married. She put me in her"Friend Zone". Sure, I felt bad about it,at first.After we were both unemployed,she would invite me over to her place about every other week. NOW,I am glad that she was not intrested in any romance with me! Coming over to her place was depressing.I helped cleaned her place up for a Christmas Party. After the party(December 13th of that year),there was a KFC bucket,with chicken bones on her coffee table. Now,this is the Sunday School Gospel truth. On February 12,on the following year,that KFC bucket and it's chicken bones were STILL on that SAME coffee table.
That mess was such a turn-off! I mean,how could ANY man would want to kiss ANY woman,on ANY part of her body, who lives in such filth?
Before she moved away,a friend of mine told me that he was going to help her clean up her apartment . I aksed him," Are you current with your tetanus shots?
Awkward.
 
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Well...... I am NO Felix Unger(remember The Odd Couple?). However,I feel that it is depressing to come home everyday to a pigpen. Even though I live alone,I cannot let my place get too junky. Whenever I go on vacation or out of town,I clean my apartment and carpet very well. It feels SO good to come home to a well kept abode.

I know a single lady who has never been married. She put me in her"Friend Zone". Sure, I felt bad about it,at first.After we were both unemployed,she would invite me over to her place about every other week. NOW,I am glad that she was not intrested in any romance with me! Coming over to her place was depressing.I helped cleaned her place up for a Christmas Party. After the party(December 13th of that year),there was a KFC bucket,with chicken bones on her coffee table. Now,this is the Sunday School Gospel truth. On February 12,on the following year,that KFC bucket and it's chicken bones were STILL on that SAME coffee table.
That mess was such a turn-off! I mean,how could ANY man would want to kiss ANY woman,on ANY part of her body, who lives in such filth?
Before she moved away,a friend of mine told me that he was going to help her clean up her apartment . I aksed him," Are you current with your tetanus shots?

Oh yeah, being able to pick up after oneself is a basic life skill. Or at least it should be. It's understandable to have those nights where you're too tired to do the dishes or if you had a party, to clean up the next morning. But the KFC thing is pretty nasty.

My house is far from being a pig sty. But it's certainly not worthy of being put in a Martha Stewart catalog or Better Homes and Gardens magazine lol. It's very obviously not highly organized, the furniture doesn't match and isn't perfectly coordinated with the walls, carpet and pillows and wall hangings. It's just random. And tbh, I really don't care to have my house look like it belongs on the cover of an interior design catalog. I do have some design ideas and things I like, but I want my house to be uniquely mine, and a lot of what will go into my house will be in consideration of the 6 animals I have running around.
 
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I think that it is important to have similar ideas on how to manage a household. It would cut down on a lot of issues. Yet I have seen people completely change from their previous lifestyle once they married. My older brother is a prime example of that. When he was single, his house was never clean. He ate unhealthy, and was completely addicted to drinking coke. After he married all those things changed. I never would have believed it possible. Some people can change their lifestyle for the person they love, but I am willing to bet that most won't change that much. I still think compromise and forgiveness are the most important things in a marriage.
 
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I'm becoming increasingly convinced that the most important thing in a partner is how compatible his/her approach to running a household is with yours.

Spouses argue. They are bound to be sick of one another, even privately

If you're going to argue... argue about something you agree about!

Makes no sense, but it's better to be a width from each other, than miles apart


Christians may interpret the bible differently, but they still love the same God
 
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LTI: have you read Wendell Berry's biographical account of Harlan and Anna Hubbard? I seem to recall you were a fan of Berry, though I admit it's been a long time since I've posted here and my memory is pretty bad. Opposites need not be opposed - they can work together harmoniously. It depends on the people involved to find a balance - that might sound hard, but in marriage (and committed romantic partnerships in general), nothing comes easily, I would imagine. It's a struggle to establish new identities as husband and wife, partners in domesticity, after all.
 
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Opposites need not be opposed - they can work together harmoniously. It depends on the people involved to find a balance - that might sound hard, but in marriage (and committed romantic partnerships in general), nothing comes easily, I would imagine. It's a struggle to establish new identities as husband and wife, partners in domesticity, after all.




I wouldn't say that opposites should not be together.

I just think that how to run a household is something that does not seem to be on anybody's radar but is as important, if not more important, than all of the other variables that people take into account in the dating/marriage market.

If one partner wants to have a traditional family dinner every weeknight (everybody is at the table and their attention is on each other) and the other's ideal is having pizza delivered and eating in front of the television, then such things needs to be discussed before deciding to spend the rest of each other's lives together, in my humble opinion.
 
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I have not read anything about it, but it would not surprise me to find that empirical research shows that differences in attitudes/outlooks/approaches like the ones above are a reliable predictor of dissatisfaction in a relationship.

I think your assessment is correct. Although this certainly isn't the only potential source of marital dissatisfaction, it's a big one. If a couple isn't on a similar wavelength, then the quality of their relationship will suffer.
 
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