The Prosperity Doctrine

Faulty said:

There is no doctrine of prosperity. Neither is there a doctrine of poverty. There is a doctrine of provision.

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Your point? So provision would not be prosperous? That's funny

Faulty said:

There is no doctrine of prosperity. Neither is there a doctrine of poverty. There is a doctrine of provision.

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There's a doctorian of having the desires of thine heart, unless you consider Psalms 37 verse 4 misunderstood. Gods promises are throughout the Bible with simple guidelines for some but others cannot understand thus the condem those who do. Faith in promise is not greed and idolatry, faith is pleasing to God knowing he is our source daily. We long to witness and spread the good news of the gospel. We show Gods love in his exceeding and abundant provision according to our measure of faith. Our testament is of a God of mercy and love so much he died for us. I know he can Handel the small stuff he only asks that we believe and accept the gift of salvation. My God will supply ALL my needs according to his riches in glory. Thus I delight my self in the Lord.

According to some bibles apparently: "I would that you have provision even as your soul has provision"

importunity said:

No, I am prosperous.

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I understand you are a WoF pastor, so we wouldn't expect anything else.

Or was that just a 'positive confession'.


peace,
Simon

Simon Peter said:

I understand you are a WoF pastor, so we wouldn't expect anything else.

Or was that just a 'positive confession'.

peace,
Simon

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Actually I pastor a Pentecostal holiness church, went to an Assembly of God Bible College, Rhema bible training center and was an instructor at Covenant College and Theological Seminary. At the present time I am writing curriculum for a bible college. The late Kenneth E Hagin and I disagreed on three issues but was still one of the most godly men I have ever known. His love for God and people was amazing. I am NOT a Haginite.

As far as being prosperous, I became prosperous the day Jesus entered my life. Wealth is a byproduct of prosperity.

2 Beloved, in regard to all things I pray that you prosper and be in health, even as your soul prospers.

Your soul... Mind, will, intellect and emotions prosper by the washing and renewing of your mind with the Word...Your Spirit prospered when you became born again (new creation in Christ Jesus). A byproduct of your spirit being prosperous is you don't go to hell, you get to go to heaven and I believe inherit the Earth (but others believe different).

So prosperity (being prosperous) IS NOT MONEY. Money would be a byproduct. I am RICH weather I have money or not. I never do without, all my bills are paid, at times I have extremely large amounts of money at my disposal. It's only a tool. Money is not the problem, it's greedy people. If you have a problem with money just give it all away after you have paid all your bills and food. Find a good source to promote the Kingdom of God and that should solve the problem. As for me, I don't have a problem. I don't chase it, but I end up with a lot of it at my disposal.

The main thing when it comes to prosperity, is your heart condition and being a good steward with the byproducts God has given you.

Amen and amen!

importunity said:

So prosperity (being prosperous) IS NOT MONEY. Money would be a byproduct. I am RICH weather I have money or not. I never do without, all my bills are paid, at times I have extremely large amounts of money at my disposal. It's only a tool. Money is not the problem, it's greedy people. If you have a problem with money just give it all away after you have paid all your bills and food. Find a good source to promote the Kingdom of God and that should solve the problem. As for me, I don't have a problem. I don't chase it, but I end up with a lot of it at my disposal.

The main thing when it comes to prosperity, is your heart condition and being a good steward with the byproducts God has given you.

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Like I said, a doctrine of provision. You have what you need, except you didn't mock your definition, funny.

now faith said:

There's a doctorian of having the desires of thine heart, unless you consider Psalms 37 verse 4 misunderstood.

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Nope. I take it in light of other scripture, such as when I ask for anything according to his will, I know He hears me. When He gives me the desire of my heart, He does so when it is according to His will, which is where the first part of of the Psalms verse comes in, delighting in the Lord, wanting what He wants.

When I want what He wants, I can ask according to His will, the desire of my heart, and receive what I ask for.

Faulty said:

Like I said, a doctrine of provision. You have what you need, except you didn't mock your definition, funny.

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What are you talking about mocking?

Faulty said:

Nope. I take it in light of other scripture, such as when I ask for anything according to his will, I know He hears me. When He gives me the desire of my heart, He does so when it is according to His will, which is where the first part of of the Psalms verse comes in, delighting in the Lord, wanting what He wants.

When I want what He wants, I can ask according to His will, the desire of my heart, and receive what I ask for.

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Who told you to combine scripture for your own conclusion? Why can't you simply read the verse and receive the promise? Its not about if it be thine will the condition is delight thy self in the Lord . When you take a Scripture in light of others do you negate the ones you want to or do you combine them out of context.

Nope. I take it in light of other scripture, such as when I ask for anything according to his will, I know He hears me. When He gives me the desire of my heart, He does so when it is according to His will, which is where the first part of of the Psalms verse comes in, delighting in the Lord, wanting what He wants.

When I want what He wants, I can ask according to His will, the desire of my heart, and receive what I ask for.

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It is (super)natural to receive the desires of God's heart birthed through us as we abide in Him. Their does seem to be a purging process of your own fleshly desires (certainly when you first become a Christian). Depending on the condition of your soul, this still continues. We need soul maintenance.

Our soul is renewed by the outflow of the Holy Spirit within our spirits. This is by the living Word and as we obey, our souls are purified.

It would be reasonable to say that asking and not getting is when we finally realize that we're not lining up with the Word. We can't figure everything out, but we look at the fruits.

I do believe that it is His perfect will for us to be renewed and abiding in Him so that He births His will through us by means of holy desires, that when fulfilled are a tree of life.

Much of Paul's teaching to the Gentiles, was to convey that they were redeemed through Christ and not by the law and Christ.Oh foolish Galations who hath bewitched you, from the freedom epistolary this profound statement should tell us a lot. There will always be teachers of the law placing condition on our salvation ,our prosperity ,and our life. You can teach Gods word from a legal standpoint expecting the worst and in hope for maybe enough. Or you can simply have faith in Gods word and receive his best for your life. By having faith in Gods word we have faith in God therefore we know his will by his word. By this faith and truth and by knowing his will we do not ask amiss. How can you build a church debt free without asking for enough provision to build it. How can you start a bus ministry with out a bus. You don't know misery until a penny pincher buys a bus thinking his being a good steward, then spends more on repairs than he would if he would have steped out in faith and believed Gods best for a new one. God gave them enough since they found it for the repairs, or they might have had to ask for a mircial since they we're afraid of the provision to begin with. This is a example of one thinking he knows Gods will and not understanding it through his word.

If you love God you can ask for anything you need or want.
There are two parts to the great command, love the Lord your God, with all you mind and all your heart and all your soul and all your strength. And love your neighbour as yourself.
In the beginning of Matthew's Gospel, again two things regarding provision. Seek first the Kingdom and God's saving justice. Justice is good thinking and acting for business, in developing products and services. There is also social justice.
God and man attended.

Products and services come to a climax in God's service, loving, serving, being served, child rearing, fellowship and very much worship, or worthship. God's worth, tasting it, and declaring it. Attributing and finding the pivot of all our good in God.

The Kingdom is Jesus kingly saving presence and righteousness, that is justice, peace and joy.
Justice is a straight forward concept.
We are to seek these two things first, then all else is added. In matters of dealing with God and man.

When you heart is set on Jesus and justice to fellows, the more you have the better. Depending on that it serves God and not distract you from God too much if at all.

Jesus said the poor in spirit are blessed, that means humble. They know they need the kingdom come and the presence of God and love... then the hungry for righteousness are filled, and then the mind and then the body and pocket. For last Lent the Catholic reading also expressed this, here in Sydney.

Mother Theresa took vows of poverty, and people seeing her unselfish kindness to poor Indians gave her plenty, and she took only what she needed for herself. But Catholics don't have to take vows of poverty.

Jesus allowed people to open a hole in the roof of a house, to lay a paralysed man in front of Him. That implies it was Jesus' house. Also when Jesus rose, He found Peter using his old boats again.

Later people, converts laid their wealth at Peter's feet. They were all for the kingdom! Everything was to serve in that crucial hour, and Stephen was martyred while wholly passionate for Jesus. It can happen today that people tithe, and there is a promise to the tither of material blessing. And some come to tithe ninety percent...

When your heart serves God, your money and house are a tool in His hand. In your hand a tool for Jesus.

Imagine being in the old garden of Eden? Gold and jewels on the ground... what would they be worth? Only immediate value, you cannot buy anything with them. Right?

Values depend on what things do for your relationships, hearts, souls, and bodies, and maybe, land.

Matthew 6 : 33 but seek ye first the kingdom of God ,and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added to you. You have changed the context of the verse from provision by salvation and walking in his will by righteousness, to business and social justice by this interpretation you have moved from the spiritual context of the verse to a social humanist context. This is why each time we translate the bible into our modern view it changes schripture. Although the over all intention of the post I agree

now faith said:

Matthew 6 : 33 but seek ye first the kingdom of God ,and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added to you.

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Yes!!! Including riches.

I prayed for mony and all I git was goopy stuff. here want some? i am satisfied. we can construct it into mony latr

Oscarr said:

The Prosperity doctrine teaches that those who have faith in God will become wealthy, have the best of material things and life will be sweet and comfortable.

Note that Baal was and still is the pagan god of fertility and prosperity. This is was the sin of Israel. They had a faith in God, but they also worshipped Baal to ensure that they were able to have good harvests and healthy families. They put material wealth before daily trust in the providence and care of God, as they did in the desert before they reached the Promised Land.

So, it can be argued that the present day Prosperity Doctrine is merely a modern form of Baal worship, and the same judgment that happened to the Baal worshippers of Israel, may very well happen to those who subscribe to the Prosperity doctrine.

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dollarsbill said:

Yes!!! Including riches.

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You read what the "these things" are that Jesus is talking about?

If your going to ask God for something... Remember BAD

Backbone...
Attitude...
Direction

You must put some backbone behind your requests!

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