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As i mentioned on an earlier post, I love the "oldies" in music. I have had to remove some of them from my library, and one example that I am thinking about is one of my favorite songs sung by the Beatles. It was sung by George Harrison, called "My Sweet Lord". I enjoyed that song for years until I found out he was worshippin "Hara Christna". You can hear it in the background of the song. It was remove real quick! :)

I recall one time a few years ago when I was out grocery shopping, and I heard that song over the store's speaker system. It is one of those songs that sounds innocent enough, at first, but then the "hare krishna" line gradually becomes louder and bolder, then when all is said and done it is truly evident that they are not worshipping Jesus Christ.

So this is the stuff that we all have to look out for.
 
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I recall one time a few years ago when I was out grocery shopping, and I heard that song over the store's speaker system. It is one of those songs that sounds innocent enough, at first, but then the "hare krishna" line gradually becomes louder and bolder, then when all is said and done it is truly evident that they are not worshipping Jesus Christ.

So this is the stuff that we all have to look out for.


Your sure right, and thanks for the proper spelling of "hare Krishna", I just took a stab in the dark in the spelling. :D


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I met Jesus in 1986 and at the time was listening to Ozzy, Scorpions, Motley Crue, etc. If it wasn't for the music minister at the little church I attended introducing me to some of the Christian Metal of the day Im not sure I would have made it!

Much of my early theology was crafted by those pioneer bands - and I had an early soapbox I used to jump up on whenever the debate about Christian Rock came up (as it always did back then!).

I also LOVE the fact that your girls listen to the screamer metal music, Dan! All I can get my girls into is Jamie Grace type music...

Im the one they yell to "turn down your music"! :p

Hey! I resemble those remarks! LOL. You left out Holy Soldier, and Petra!
 
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I went through a "Christian rock is the devil" phase a couple of years ago, until I met a pastor who was saved at a Christian rock concert. Couldn't argue with that! haha :)

I was saved at a Christian rock concert! I love it when I'm talking to one of those "rock music=Satan" people and they tell me how evil rock music is, but then I ask them how they got saved, then they ask me and WOW the conversation ends pretty quick after that! LOL.
 
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I personally try not to pay someone else money to watch (or listen) to them do what I myself will not do as a Follower of Jesus. That seems to help me in my entertainment decision making.

PK this is a great statement.

I got tired of getting started into a movie/show and then having to shut it off saying I can't watch this anymore. So don't watch TV or movies any more.

And I only listen to Christian music.
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Hey! I resemble those remarks! LOL. You left out Holy Soldier, and Petra!

True - love those! I actually left out a ton - Bloodgood - Tamplin - the list goes on and on.

The first cassette I ever owned of Christian Music was Petra "Not of this World". Pretty light as far as music goes but the spirit int he music and message just ministered so much to me as a young teenage Christian.
 
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True - love those! I actually left out a ton - Bloodgood - Tamplin - the list goes on and on.

The first cassette I ever owned of Christian Music was Petra "Not of this World". Pretty light as far as music goes but the spirit int he music and message just ministered so much to me as a young teenage Christian.

Oh yeah. The difference between old and new petra was astounding. Both old and new were fantastic.

You comment about the "spirit" and the "message" sums up what it seems we all agree on here. Some music has a 'spirit' about it that needs to be avoided. That includes "Christian" music. There are some "Christian" bands that I loved the music, but the spirit was all screwed up. So I didn't listen to them. It's not something you can explain too good other than it's that 'sick' feeling one gets on the inside. As Abby would say, "Something's hinky!"
 
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A great subject because in addition to potentially providing understanding from a spiritual perspective (people telling us of their own discernment experiences and what the Lord has told them), it helps to point out to the body the importance of keeping the gates to your city and potential idolatrous situations.

I remember a book by Stephen Brooks on Angels. Toward the back, he gives an account of a dream or vision God gave him about a restaurant he and the Lord went to. They were sitting at the table eating demonic insects and the Lord called the place "Hell's Kitchen". The devil serves it up for His people all of the time. They went in the back to see where the food came from!

The Lord has so much for His people. He leads us into where our prayers have been crying for and at times we cannot seem to go much farther. You still get blessed on Sunday and Wednesday, but you don't have the walk you want. Then the Lord starts answering your prayer (He really did before, but showing you your empty life was the start). You get a little "sight" on situations in your life that are not pleasing to Him. You spoke in judgment on this; you held something the Lord regarded in light esteem. Maybe you didn't do something He's been dealing with you about. In my life, often it's more about what I didn't do more than what I supposedly will settle for. It's when I have sat in His presence and got into the Word, that I can watch the football game.

I used to think in the early days that the Lord despised football because Sunday is shot for many people because of it.
It is a huge idol for so many, I couldn't see the Lord in it at all. His people play it and He gave them the talents. It was my own religious thinking that said I couldn't do this or that. I found out otherwise! He does want us to put first things first. If we want a close walk with Him, that will have to be the case. If we choose otherwise, we'll have a nominal walk and He'll lightly esteem us. He may keep us, but we must not take that for granted. Everything we want is in the Spirit, so watching our gates by His Spirit and not our own strength is really the only way. You can only do that by putting Him first. So I can only exhort us (myself included) to not forget the important things and then we might watch some TV with the Lord, or with our family (with the Lord).
 
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Thank God for that! I love to watch 19 Kids and counting because it's the only Christian "reality" TV show that I know of :)



Hello! :wave:

Just wanted to share with you of one experience I had with the family of 19 kids and Counting. My wife and I were staying at a hotel a year or two ago, I think the location was in Dayton, Ohio at a Comfort Inn. I left my room to go downstairs and check out the continental breakfast. I know more than left my room when I seen a maid holding a picture up of a large family, and she was very excited and showed me the picture. She was telling me who they were and I had no idea about them. Right at that time, the family's grandmother walked up to the maid and I, and she needed a bunch of towels. I said "hello" and walked downstairs. Down in the breakfast area, I saw at leat ten kids of all ages dressed in black suits and the girls were dressed very nice. Then, the elevator opened and here came the rest of them. There were getting ready to leave for a concert in the area. The entire area was that whole family. I went back up stairs to our room and told my wife of what happened. She would of loved to have met them.

After we got home, a few days later we watched them on TV. It was a nice little experience. Just though I would share.


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As we know the world is fallen and is largely run by people who are dominated by demonic spirits. That is not the perspective of some "weirdo" rad, but as Paul states...

And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins; Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience: Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others. But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us, Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;) And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:
Eph 2:1-6

Our meditation should be as befitting the mind of Christ (assuming we want it). Medtitating on the Word, speaking the Word, not turning to the right or to the left, casting down the vain imaginations provided for us by a fallen media.

I'm ashamed to say that my wife and I went to the movies and saw "Wanderlust". It was a shameful moment with some funny scenes about a NY couple who went to a hippie commune. The contrast was humorous, but the uncovering of the first guys nakedness was pretty unseemly spiritually speaking. At the end of the movie, we saw both men and women. I'm married so the flesh stuff isn't what it once was, but we cannot take things for granted. I always try to shield my wife from the crappy things of the world. Wrong turn!

Taking the Lord's name in vain and the idea of the guy getting permission to have sex with another woman as a condition to stay and live there was pretty sad. Then the guy went in front of a mirror and practiced what he would say to the girl he was going to "throw down" with. Everyone laughed as one was stoned and practicing being funny in a mirror. Compare that the next day to the anointing and I could crawl under my seat.

We have to make choices everyday to not partake of the foolishness of the world. Some of it is legitimate entertainment, but much of it is booby trapped (no pun intended) with "GDs" and fornication we learn to "ignore" (the Lord doesn't ignore it at all). I sat and watched some detective show with my wife and it has scenes where the detective is talking on the phone with the mass murderer who has staked out their house (with his wife) and all of a sudden I'm in the mind of a killer. These shows manipulate you into hating the killer and making you feel fear and helplessness. I don't believe it's of God. It deprives you of your peace and joy. The presence of the Lord leaves and after an hour or so, you feel numbed to the Spirit of God.

Concerning music, we have a list of things we're supposed to have our ear (and eye) gate fall within...

Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things.
Phil 4:8

We also know that if we do not "die" to ourselves, we cannot really resurrect. We remain a single grain of wheat.

If the lyrics say things that oppose the kingdom, we're consenting to it. If we sing a curse upon ourselves, we've taken on trouble. You do realize that the enemy puts these bombs in songs to bring the world into a greater bondage.

Death and life are in the power of the tongue: and they that love it shall eat the fruit thereof.
Prov 18:21

Thorns and snares are in the way of the froward: he that doth keep his soul shall be far from them.
Prov 22:5

On the more radical side, where many live and walk...

For, lo, they that are far from thee shall perish: thou hast destroyed all them that go a whoring from thee.
Psalms 73:27

In everything we do, we should maintain this perspective. Our heavenly places vantage. And another also said, Lord, I will follow thee; but let me first go bid them farewell, which are at home at my house.

And Jesus said unto him, No man, having put his hand to the plough, and looking back, is fit for the kingdom of God.
Luke 9:61-62

We can explain this away somehow, but at the basic level with the Kingdom of God being righteousness, peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost, we won't have it if we leave the Lord behind at some point.

I have hated them that regard lying vanities: but I trust in the Lord.
Psalms 31:6

But they are altogether brutish and foolish: the stock is a doctrine of vanities.
Jer 10:8

They that observe lying vanities forsake their own mercy.
Jonah 2:8

And saying, Sirs, why do ye these things? We also are men of like passions with you, and preach unto you that ye should turn from these vanities unto the living God, which made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and all things that are therein: Who in times past suffered all nations to walk in their own ways.
Acts 14:15-16

Look unto me, and be ye saved,
all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else.
Isaiah 45:22

Salvation, in addition to eternal life, is healing, deliverance, soundness.

Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us, Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.
Heb 12:1-2

Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord: Looking diligently lest any man fail of the grace of God;
Heb 12:14-15

But, beloved, remember ye the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ; How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts.
These be they who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit. But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost, Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life.
Jude 1:17-21 (KJV)

Sensual here, meaning carnal. So we have to keep chosing everyday and what we sacrifice is our own well being and abundant life.
 
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Specifically television, movies & music. I was hoping that some of you could give me your view point on this subject.

Is it okay to watch secular TV/Movies or listen to secular music?

If so, where do you draw the line?

Thanks so much!


You realise you are asking this question in the WOF area right? They don't believe anything is wrong to do, they embrace secularism.
 
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You realise you are asking this question in the WOF area right? They don't believe anything is wrong to do, they embrace secularism.

What? Are you totally off your rocker? Well, I see that you only have 18 posts, you are speaking of things of which you have no knowledge.

Peace..
 
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You realise you are asking this question in the WOF area right? They don't believe anything is wrong to do, they embrace secularism.

No. Heck no. We plainly believe the Bible. We apply the word to our lives. You'll see a bunch of good responses up in this thread, which blows your statement out the water like a ton of dynamite.

Myself, I shun most movies. I do like some music from jamendo - especially the pure instrumental stuff. Sometimes, instead of just listening, I'd create my own lyrics, and sing in the Spirit - glorifying the Lord.

Also, do note that debating against WoF teachings here is prohibited for non WoF members.
 
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You realise you are asking this question in the WOF area right? They don't believe anything is wrong to do, they embrace secularism.


Also, you will notice that the original poster (OP), is WOF. Yor are talking to her as "they," when "she" is one of us. In this forum sir, you are the "they".

You are very much welcome to fellowship with us and if you want to delete your post and start over, we will be glad to talk to you about Jesus and what God is doing in your life. As Andreha said, no debates! If you have questions about anything, someone will most probably respond to you, and/or, if your really interested, go back to the beginning of this forum like I did recently, and see what we beleive about what's right or wrong, and then lets talk about secularism. Meet us before you judge us.


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Specifically television, movies & music. I was hoping that some of you could give me your view point on this subject.

Is it okay to watch secular TV/Movies or listen to secular music?

If so, where do you draw the line?

Thanks so much!


TV has become the story of the frog in the pot, I assure you if what popped on the screen back in 1958, was what we see today most American families would of rejected bringing them into their house
 
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TV has become the story of the frog in the pot, I assure you if what popped on the screen back in 1958, was what we see today most American families would of rejected bringing them into their house

You know, I think about what you said here a lot. Not exactly in that context, but the same thing really. I think that the point you made here deserves a lot of consideration. If most Christians 50 years ago considered these things to be wrong, what makes us today think that they are okay? I go over these things in my mind over and over again, and I can't help but conclude that we (in general) are hugely deceived and desensitized. I mean, Christian women wouldn't even wear pants until very recently in history...what happened? Why is this suddenly okay? I don't think that the terms of our "liberty" changed, so what did?
 
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You realise you are asking this question in the WOF area right? They don't believe anything is wrong to do, they embrace secularism.

I'm sure that you could hand pick people who embrace secularism out of any denomination or movement. Generally speaking though, that's not WOF at all. This subject is obviously very important to me, and if WOF really did align with the impression you have of it, I wouldn't be drawn to it in the way that I am. If you take some time to learn about WOF or interact with the people on the forum here, I think you'll find that you were entirely misinformed.
 
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Hello! :wave:

Just wanted to share with you of one experience I had with the family of 19 kids and Counting. My wife and I were staying at a hotel a year or two ago, I think the location was in Dayton, Ohio at a Comfort Inn. I left my room to go downstairs and check out the continental breakfast. I know more than left my room when I seen a maid holding a picture up of a large family, and she was very excited and showed me the picture. She was telling me who they were and I had no idea about them. Right at that time, the family's grandmother walked up to the maid and I, and she needed a bunch of towels. I said "hello" and walked downstairs. Down in the breakfast area, I saw at leat ten kids of all ages dressed in black suits and the girls were dressed very nice. Then, the elevator opened and here came the rest of them. There were getting ready to leave for a concert in the area. The entire area was that whole family. I went back up stairs to our room and told my wife of what happened. She would of loved to have met them.

After we got home, a few days later we watched them on tv. It was a nice little experience. Just though I would share.


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Harry

So cool! Thanks for sharing that! :)
 
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You realise you are asking this question in the WOF area right? They don't believe anything is wrong to do, they embrace secularism.

One of the cool things about WOF is that its "members" are lovers of the Word of God. The Word has a lot to say about separating yourself. It takes wisdom from the storehouse of the old and applies it to modern life. Secularism is like unto joining yourself to the other nations of the world, when we being of "Jewish" heritage (the inner man of the heart being grafted in) as sons of Abraham, separate ourselves from the world's evil influence.

The religious mind would condemn certain things of the world that are not harmful (i.e., makeup, jewelry, women wearing pants, musical instruments, etc.). What we do we must do from faith. If we are in good faith, the Holy Spirit will show us what is wrong, what grieves Him, what is an area of "thin ice" as well as alert you of the dangers of being involved in certain activities.

The Word has a lot to say about who you are in Christ. WOF people are the ones who are speaking this out loud, reminding themselves of their new creature status, and all that our inheritance consists of. This is to enable us to overcome. So, hanging out in front of the TV or partaking of the world fruit tree is questionable.
 
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As already posted, I think The Holy Spirit guides us in this area and then we just need to obey. Of course, the programs He doesn't want me to watch may be different for someone else. Not that I'm special but I believe He knows what we need and don't need as individuals.

I read a couple of years ago that at telelvision's infancy, it was offered to the church to purchase. Plus presently if all the churches would unite, that all channels could still be purchased. At first that seemed like a really great idea to me. But as we can see from the wide range of opinions about any topic by those who say they are Christian, all you have to do is just look at any thread about a particular program. Just wondering if all channels were owned by the church, what that programming would look like.
 
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