Messianics and Talmud

aniello said:

Like over at CARM?

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Yeah, just like there... NOT!

I don't recognize your handle. Who are you over there?

mishkan said:

Yeah, just like there... NOT!

I don't recognize your handle. Who are you over there?

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Aaah from aniello, that was not in agreement!!!
I didn't have a very pleasant experience there either.

yedida said:

Aaah from aniello, that was not in agreement!!!
I didn't have a very pleasant experience there either.

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Reunion week, eh???

Sounds like time for a CARM reunion thread.

What is CARM?

mishkan said:

Reunion week, eh???

Sounds like time for a CARM reunion thread.

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Might be best forgotten.

OK, nevermind.

talmidim said:

OK, nevermind.

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It's no big secret. Just a Christian forum that claims to be a training environment for teaching Christian apologetics. Problem is, if you aren't 100% in line with the views of the owner, you are treated to unmerciful abuse and ridicule. It is a seriously toxic environment, and I don't recommend it to anyone.

CARM is fine if you know what you're talking about and can engage in discussion with sources and authority. But, I found it boring. I just don't care enough about the Calvinist vs Arminian, Catholic vs. Protestant, Orthodox vs Everybody and Everybody vs the Cults debates anymore.

ContraMundum said:

CARM is fine if you know what you're talking about and can engage in discussion with sources and authority. But, I found it boring. I just don't care enough about the Calvinist vs Arminian, Catholic vs. Protestant, Orthodox vs Everybody and Everybody vs the Cults debates anymore.

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Alot of people seem to be trained in only be able to think within terms of "Us vs Them" rather than knowing how to walk together despite differences and see where people can contrast---and sometimes, be the proverbial "two sides of the same coin"

ContraMundum said:

CARM is fine if you know what you're talking about and can engage in discussion with sources and authority. But, I found it boring. I just don't care enough about the Calvinist vs Arminian, Catholic vs. Protestant, Orthodox vs Everybody and Everybody vs the Cults debates anymore.

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Did all that, though not through CARM. Wouldn't want to sit through it all again, whoever is doing it!

Most of my arguments against the talmud so far have been on its history, and that of the people who wrote it, not its content.

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Primarily, this isn't true. But this also was not my claim. My claim was that you did not share any original ideas, only quoted very questionable sources.

Would I need to study the koran or the book of Mormon to know they are not of YHWH?

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The issue is you make claim to a faith called Messianic Judaism. This means you hail to a "Judaic" heritage. If you hailed to a Mormon heritage or Islamic heritage, then I would understand your argument here. But if you want to claim some sort of heritage with Judaism, then you would need to study each of the components you wish to pick and choose. Why would you choose to keep one component and toss aside another? According to the faith here on these boards and the icon you have chosen to bear on your profile, you adhere to a Jewish faith. Then when you choose to idealize some parts of the Jewish faith and deny other parts, one must ask... Where is your measuring line? How do you make such decisions? Why toss aside some things and why pick up others?

What makes them false is that they claim the authority of the creator (under whatever name they use), and mix truth with falsehood.

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So when you make statements like this in reference to the Talmud, one assumes you've put SOME level of study into it. Otherwise, I think we can all confidently ignore anything you have to say on the subject... right?