If adultery is involved its a law of submission to God's authority and if other reasons are involved its a lack of submission to God's authority too. Lack of submission implies pride, or a variant of it. Yes? Or no, not even close?
Is divorce due to a lack of submission?
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God has authority whether we submit to it or not. I'd say it's a lack of submitting to his will.
There are no valid reasons for adultery and it is definitely against His will as stated many times in Scripture.
My take is that it implies following carnal self rather than our Creator.
Interesting OP.
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I see no direct relationship between submission and divorce. Marriage breakdowns are much more complex to be confined to one single issue.
If I remember correctly divorce rates are higher amongst the more fundamentalist church demographic, where submission teaching is more common.
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If I remember correctly divorce rates are higher amongst the more fundamentalist church demographic, where submission teaching is more common.
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Certainly hasn't been true with my parents who have been married 31 years now . . . neither are Christians in any real sense of the word.
One can survive in this world without submission to God. The question becomes if they can make it in the next. . . which they will not do.
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As we are Christians on a Christian forum, I had assumed we were talking about Christian marriages. Spouses in a non-Christian marriage wouldn't be looking to God at all.
I'm sure that some non-Christians can have a good marriage, but they won't have the blessing of God at the center of it.
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You remember incorrectly. And Im not using that to argue the submission issue, it bores me. The divorce rate though correlates indeed to certain groups, and its also not the LESS fundamentalist denoms. There is a common thread through those sects that share that honor though.
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nah, lack of communication, wandering eyes, wandering thoughts, wandering hands, too much 'chatting' with the opposite sex.
wife says it best:
people do what they want to do......
wife says it best:
people do what they want to do......
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I agree with your wife.
And I would add ..they do it because they get some sort of reward.
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I think the original question was aimed at submission to God, in other words from my perspective pursuing understanding of His Word and the life of Christ.
So for example people get vindictive rather than trying to figure out why they should forgive. Or they get overly focused on what they want as opposed to mutual satisfaction in marriage. If we were submissive to God we would be quicker to look at the beam in our own eye, quicker to see ourselves as joint heirs with Christ and less afraid, less proud, less vain and less angry. But it's hard because even in religious circles people are more worldly for the most part than godly.
So for example people get vindictive rather than trying to figure out why they should forgive. Or they get overly focused on what they want as opposed to mutual satisfaction in marriage. If we were submissive to God we would be quicker to look at the beam in our own eye, quicker to see ourselves as joint heirs with Christ and less afraid, less proud, less vain and less angry. But it's hard because even in religious circles people are more worldly for the most part than godly.
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I'm going to give the OP the benefit of the doubt at this moment that the question was directed toward submission to God. But from his long history, I'm fairly confident he left it ambiguous on purpose. In evidence, his absence from the discussion once the grenade was tossed.
Anyway -- it could be strongly argued that Divorce in itself is likely a lack of submission to God, since it is very well understood and preached ad nauseam what God's thoughts toward divorce are. The breakdowns between spouses that can LEAD to divorce do not necessarily in every single case stem from lack of submission, but the odds are huge. I would tend to believe that the breakdowns between spouses comes more from selfishness than not submitting. "Self" tends to be the bottom-most reason behind nearly all sin and error.
Anyway -- it could be strongly argued that Divorce in itself is likely a lack of submission to God, since it is very well understood and preached ad nauseam what God's thoughts toward divorce are. The breakdowns between spouses that can LEAD to divorce do not necessarily in every single case stem from lack of submission, but the odds are huge. I would tend to believe that the breakdowns between spouses comes more from selfishness than not submitting. "Self" tends to be the bottom-most reason behind nearly all sin and error.
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I often leave threads to simmer until they get interesting. It is about submission. Its about man's submission to God and woman's submission to her husband per God's word. The latter is more important because, 'Them good ole boys'll be good ole boys til the good ole girls go bad.'
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Unsubmission by definition is refusal to accept the authority of a higher station. But what is the root of unsubmission? it's the belief that you are greater than that authority, or a disrespect for the authority. What was Lucifer's initial sin? Self-pride. And don't you dare give me that "the woman's sin is greater than the man's" crap, because sin is sin, and they ALL cost Jesus Christ His life.
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It is about submission. Its about man's submission to God and woman's submission to her husband per God's word. The latter is more important because, 'Them good ole boys'll be good ole boys til the good ole girls go bad.'
So, a wife who is being sinned upon by physical, emotional or sexual abuse is to submit to whatever her husband inflicts onto her?! Are you suggesting Scripture actually teached we are to submit to sin?
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So, a wife who is being sinned upon by physical, emotional or sexual abuse is to submit to whatever her husband inflicts onto her?! Are you suggesting Scripture actually teached we are to submit to sin?
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Since he didn't mention sin or abuse of any kind, I think it's foolish to assume that he thinks Scripture supports that.
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