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One wonders who's anyone going to really trust if not Yeshua in the times we live in
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One wonders who's anyone going to really trust if not Yeshua in the times we live in
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The issue of choosing the lesser of two evils often seems to be a problem since one's still choosing an evil--and what may seem like something "lesser" in one setting may end up becoming the thing that far outweighs the greater evil you thought was to be originally avoided in your intial choices....
I do wonder how often people saying "We need to have a democratic society" may not realize that many times it is just a calling card rather than a real reality for all groups involved---and many times, the agenda is already set before the vote began. What better way to get something from people than to present a deal and make it seem like you're "selling" it to them....with them feeling as if they're in control when the reality's that you already have them where you wish.....for in perhaps making one thing you're selling look disfavorable, they are in the mode to look for something better..and when you present it through another venue/person, they think that its better when what they got was the same thing in a different package.
There are many times governments can be set up like dictatorships---and rather than having a dictator tell you what to do, one simply makes it seem like they have your best interest in mind.....helping you out on some things so that they can get you to be more apt to listening to the suggestions they give that will give them power indirectly. While one benefits, they don't realize that someone else is still getting paid---and you end up doing what another always wanted. At least they didn't try to FORCE you to do it. With the OP of Israel, I do wonder if many of the Israelis don't realize that they may not be in as much control of their situations as it can seem at times.
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Here's an interesting video..................
http://www.raptureintheairnow.com/basic-teaching-amp-instruction/give-me-osama-ill-give-you-the-jews-pastor-manning
http://www.raptureintheairnow.com/basic-teaching-amp-instruction/give-me-osama-ill-give-you-the-jews-pastor-manning
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Washington state is overdue for the "Big One" (earthquake) and yet the governor and her sock puppets (read that term on a blog recently and love it) want to dig a four billion dollar hole under the city (funded half by federal tax dollars) Seattle is long overdue for judgment - we've been untouched while other parts of the country has suffered greatly.
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The source of eruptions like those of Mount St. Helens and the other Cascade volcanoes as well as a "big one", like INTJ-F is talking about, is the Cascadia Subduction Zone, off the Washington, Oregon and Northern California coasts. It is capable of producing megathrust earthquakes like the March, 2011 shaker in Japan, of a magnitude of 9.0 or greater, with an average return time of 300 to 600 years. The last one was in 1700...
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She's absolutely right on, no equivocation.
May there be a one state solution for Israel, meaning for the Children of Israel only and those that love her.
Psa 122:1 A Song of degrees of David. I was glad when they said unto me, Let us go into the house of the LORD.
Psa 122:2 Our feet shall stand within thy gates, O Jerusalem.
Psa 122:3 Jerusalem is builded as a city that is compact together:
Psa 122:4 Whither the tribes go up, the tribes of the LORD, unto the testimony of Israel, to give thanks unto the name of the LORD.
Psa 122:5 For there are set thrones of judgment, the thrones of the house of David.
Psa 122:6 Pray for the peace of Jerusalem: they shall prosper that love thee.
Psa 122:7 Peace be within thy walls, and prosperity within thy palaces.
Psa 122:8 For my brethren and companions' sakes, I will now say, Peace be within thee.
Psa 122:9 Because of the house of the LORD our God I will seek thy good.
May her enemies be destroyed.
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If I may be so bold, I think there is a lesson in scripture for us in the books of Kings and the books of the Chronicles:
After the horribly unrighteous reign of Manasseh a king arose named Josiah, who tried to kindle a revival and a return to righteousness in Israel, but it is all for nought because the real problem was that it was the people who had turned their backs on HaShem and were exhibiting disrespect for Him and His Law.
I think we had our Hezekiahs and our Josiahs, but they are gone and look at the unbelieving, unrighteous state of the people of America. I think the lesson we must take from this is that, if we end up in HaShem's woodshed over this or any other issue, it will be the result of unbelievers and lukewarm or apostate religious clergy and laity who disrespect HaShem's Law and His people, not so much the government...
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Agreed---as too many are blaming men rather than looking to themselves and seeing how they are the issue with God's destruction..
And in all realness, even if President Obama or others had not stated as they did with Israel, the bottom line is that the U.S.A would STILL be subject to God's judgement. One cannot have the high rates of immorality (i.e murder/crime, despising the poor, not defending the orphan/widow, abortion, sexual idolatry in the media, inappropriate contentagraphy, human trafficking, etc) and think that just because Israel is supported means that the Lord is going to turn a blind eye. The same goes for what's occurring in the Israeli State, as it concerns the majority of the nation being for agnostic or atheistic belief----for God made clear that He takes issue with anyone who rejects Him but still wants His benefits. The same goes for the U.S., as many often say "In God We Trust" and this is a "Christian Nation" when the reality is that we're far from reflecting who Christ was......
The U.S prided itself in supporting Israel back in the 60's, yet the issue of discrimination toward minorities the Sexual Revolution and the U.S Policy of Militarism and violence was still a glaring issue that not many wished to address. Those things were just as able to bring SEVERE judgement as not supporting God's people when they were in need--but others would avoid that....and decieve themselves into thinking they were "covered"
Martin Luther King said it best in his speech "A Time to Break Silence", as it concerns his comment that the U.S. government [was/is] "the greatest purveyor of violence in the world today". This was in context to a speech delivered on April 4, 1967 at Riverside Church in New York City - exactly one year before his untimely death:
The world was doomed anyway you slice it, just as in the book of I-II Kings when the Lord postponed Judgement on His people for the rampant immorality---and the righteous reforms by other kings (i.e Josiah, Hezekiah, Jehosophat, etc) in Judah could not keep the people right forever. Israel was without any righteous kings....and perished hard. Judah had some level of righteousness.....but even that wasn't enough to keep things off.
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I'm afraid I agree with you. With Hashem moving like He has been for the last 30-40 years bringing Gentile Christians back to Torah it is evident that He wants us to obey Him. And it just seems like the more people that come to Torah the deeper mainstream Christians dig in their heels. It is the people, way more then the government, that are the problem here in the States. (Of course, it wouldn't hurt one bit if our leaders got in line with Hashem's will.)
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That won't happen. The days of grace, I believe, are fast running out for this country. Too many unbelieving, impious people who are making up an ever-growing percentage of the population.
What sort of leadership would they follow or choose to emulate?
A Billy Graham?
Hardly! More like a Hugh Hefner or a Larry Flynt!
What sort of politician would they choose to elect?
Not the sort of politician that visionary linked us to, you can be sure of that!!!
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Strongly agree.
Yedida said:
"I'm afraid I agree with you. With Hashem moving like He has been for the last 30-40 years bringing Gentile Christians back to Torah it is evident that He wants us to obey Him. And it just seems like the more people that come to Torah the deeper mainstream Christians dig in their heels. It is the people, way more then the government, that are the problem here in the States. (Of course, it wouldn't hurt one bit if our leaders got in line with Hashem's will.) 24th May 2011 12:11 PM
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Yes, agreed.
Oh but as we try to follow TORAH(G-d's Instructions) we are called Judaizing legalists. The mainstream screams 'We're not under Law, we're under grace'. So now we have the products of Grace-License. Isn't it wonderful. NOT! I believe in grace within Biblical constraints, but it ain't 'do your own thing'.
I see the effects of the G-d mockery every day I'm in court. Foolishness, nothing but!
Off to work this afternoon.
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