Sin that leads to death

Thanks for this Heron

"The main definition of the Greek word used for death, was "death of the body."
Strong's Number: 2288 qa/natov (trnsl Thanatos)"

I would like to add, that to all Jews (and certainly OT Jewish peoples), they
believed death, destruction, the curse, etc... only happened in this life.

If it leads to death - then you're going to die - really - here.

If they were being led into captivity and destruction, it was here and now.
(or in the near future, our GOD always giving time to call on HIM and be safe).

Lastly, but each person is tempted when they are dragged away by their own evil desire and enticed. 15 Then, after desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, gives birth to death. James 1:14-15

So, in one way all sin leads to death.

(speaking in sarcasm)
Want to end your life faster (even die young?), and make it more miserable on yourself and everyone else.
Do one simple and easy thing - sin!

My mother always said these 2 words go together; "sin" + "complicates".


-eric

heron said:

The main definition of the Greek word used for death, was "death of the body."
Strong's Number: 2288 qa/natov (trnsl Thanatos)

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Not according to the Strong's on my PC.

G2288
θάνατος
thanatos
than'-at-os
From G2348; (properly an adjective used as a noun) death (literally or figuratively): - X deadly, (be . . .) death.

G2348
θνήσκω
thnēskō
thnay'-sko
A strengthened form of a simpler primary word θάνω thanō (which is used for it only in certain tenses); to die (literally or figuratively): - be dead, die.

Even the root does not stipulate, "death of the body".

Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sins, it shall die. <-----> Ezekiel 18:4

When Lazarus was dead in body, Jesus asked/prayed to His Father in heaven, and then He cried out and Lazarus was raised up alive.

Then they took away the stone from the place where the dead was laid. And Jesus lifted up his eyes, and said, Father, I thank thee that thou hast heard me.
And I knew that thou hearest me always: but because of the people which stand by I said it, that they may believe that thou hast sent me.
And when he thus had spoken, he cried with a loud voice, Lazarus, come forth.
And he that was dead came forth, bound hand and foot with grave clothes: and his face was bound about with a napkin. Jesus saith unto them, Loose him, and let him go. <-----> John 11:41-44

So it doesn't fit that one shouldn't pray for a sin which is only unto the death of the body...

Therefore, John was referring to "a sin which is unto [the second] death". [Which is the death of the soul - or death of the distinct individuality of a person who was made to be in God's own image] - which is a far greater death than the death of the body; for unlike the first death, (the death of the body), there is no resurrection from the second death, (the death of the soul).

And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell. <-----> Matthew 10:28

He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcomes shall not be hurt of the second death. <-----> Revelation 2:11

Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years. <-----> Revelation 20:6

And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire. <-----> Revelation 20:13-15

He that overcomes shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.
But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and harlot mongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone: which is the second death. <-----> Revelation 21:7+8

Let them be confounded that persecute me, but let not me be confounded: let them be dismayed, but let not me be dismayed: bring upon them the day of evil, and destroy them with double destruction. <-----> Jeremiah 17:18

That's the death - wherein the sin that leads to it, ought not be prayed for...because any prayer in regard to the second death comes across more as a curse, than a blessing.

Bless them which persecute you: bless, and curse not. <-----> Romans 12:4

Finally, be ye all of one mind, having compassion one of another, love as brethren, be pitiful, be courteous:
Not rendering evil for evil, or railing for railing: but contrariwise blessing; knowing that ye are thereunto called, that ye should inherit a blessing. <-----> 1st Peter 3:8+9

Another New Testament revision from the Old ?!!

Along with (as previously stated), if some one has committed the unforgivable sin, they're beyond being prayed for/ for their good.

Then said the LORD unto me, Pray not for this people for their good. <-----> Jeremiah 14:11

wm

For in the day thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die. Genesis 2:18

Ok, this was commanded to Adam & Eve - but they lived on
for hundreds of years after they ate the forbidded fruit.

Did GOD lie, by telling them that the "DAY", they eat it they should surely die?
Or was HE mistaken, because they simply didn't die the day they disobeyed?

Or did they???

Death means separation.

When you die in this life, you are separated from this life (and loved ones,
albeit temporarily).

Paul said "I die daily". (1 Cor 15:31) Meaning by the SPIRIT of GOD, Paul puts to death
the things and desires of the world, his flesh and the devil.

Paul chooses JESUS over the 'pull' of the world and lustful cravings - things wanting
to control him.

Paul saw himself, crucified with CHRIST, saw himself dead there on the cross too.
Not that Paul died to save himself. NO! Simply the flesh (sin nature) is not GOD'S
Nature, and its not you either. It can't be 'fixed', 'healed', its good for nothing
and its dead, 2000 years ago.

So the scripture teaches; that if One died for all, then all died. 2 Corinthians 5:14

So the life he was now living was truly not his own, it was JESUS.

Because LIFE is a person, JESUS is LIFE! John 14:6

Without walking/abiding in HIM - you are only a 'dead man walking'.

Lets remember that death is an enemy. (1 Cor 15:26)
But GOD in HIS WISDOM, used death (the enemy) to destroy our sinful nature.
Life swallows up death and we are raised up in new life in HIM!

-eric

ezeric said:

For in the day thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die. Genesis 2:18

Ok, this was commanded to Adam & Eve - but they lived on
for hundreds of years after they ate the forbidded fruit.

Did GOD lie, by telling them that the "DAY", they eat it they should surely die?
Or was HE mistaken, because they simply didn't die the day they disobeyed?

Or did they???

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But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. <-----> 2nd Peter 3:8

All human life, after the fall expired within a thousand year "day".

ezeric said:

Death means separation.

When you die in this life, you are separated from this life (and loved ones,
albeit temporarily).

Paul said "I die daily". (1 Cor 15:31) Meaning by the SPIRIT of GOD, Paul puts to death
the things and desires of the world, his flesh and the devil.

Paul chooses JESUS over the 'pull' of the world and lustful cravings - things wanting
to control him.

Paul saw himself, crucified with CHRIST, saw himself dead there on the cross too.
Not that Paul died to save himself. NO! Simply the flesh (sin nature) is not GOD'S
Nature, and its not you either. It can't be 'fixed', 'healed', its good for nothing
and its dead, 2000 years ago.

So the scripture teaches; that if One died for all, then all died. 2 Corinthians 5:14

So the life he was now living was truly not his own, it was JESUS.

Because LIFE is a person, JESUS is LIFE! John 14:6

Without walking/abiding in HIM - you are only a 'dead man walking'.

Lets remember that death is an enemy. (1 Cor 15:26)
But GOD in HIS WISDOM, used death (the enemy) to destroy our sinful nature.
Life swallows up death and we are raised up in new life in HIM!

-eric

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There are many kinds of death, and ways to die - some good, some bad. But even the best kind of dying would avail us nothing were it not for the resurrection.

Hence, sin unto the first death ( the death of the mortal body ) can and should be prayed for - [that is to say, prayed for forgiveness for and deliverance from]; because there is a resurrection from the first death...therefore hope lives on, though the body be dead, or on it's way towards dying.

But sin which is unto the second death ( the death of the soul ), is tied to a death from which there is no resurrection - therefore there is in such a case " no hope " and consequently no point in praying for such a sin, that it be forgiven etc.... because it is foreordained by God, that it can't, and that it won't be forgiven.

And whosoever speaks a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaks against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come. <-----> Matthew 12:32

And since there are plenty of sins that can be forgiven/granted repentance over, we should devote our prayers towards them... where they have the potential to do some good; and not waste time and effort praying over a sin for which there can be no forgiveness.

If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it.
All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death. <-----> 1st John 5:16+17

The only thing which truly complicates these things, is that many are fooled ( temporarily ) into thinking they've committed the unforgivable sin, when really they have not... Yet if someone really has committed that sin, but thinks they have not...let them think what they want...for they have nothing left to lose anymore anyway.

Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch. <-----> Matthew 15:14 ( Words of Jesus to His disciples regarding the Spirit blaspheming Pharisees )

Sincerely,

wm