Correlation between sin and sickness

[tonychanyt]

In the beginning, in the Garden of Eden, there was no sin and no sickness. After the fall, sickness and death happened.
Micah 6 affirmed this positive correlation:13 So also I will make you sick, striking you down, Desolating you because of your sins.

On the other hand, Jesus stated a non-correlation in
John 9:1 As he passed by, he saw a man blind from birth. 2 And his disciples asked him, “Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he was born blind?” 3 Jesus answered, “It was not that this man sinned, or his parents, but that the works of God might be displayed in him.

Let proposition S1 = If a person sins, he will get sick.

S1 is false, i.e., S1 is not universally true for everyone without exceptions.

Generally speaking, there is a positive correlation between sin and sickness. In specific cases, however, the correlation could be 0.

 

[GaryAnderson]

I've always wondered about the technicalities of an incorruptible body like Adam and Eve.
Did God introduce entropy after the first sin or was it already there and they depended on God's energy for incorruptibility?
Or did the Tree of Life have nanobots to defeat entropy?

Maybe one day God will reveal these things to us.

 

[tonychanyt]

Did God introduce entropy after the first sin or was it already there and they depended on God's energy for incorruptibility?

Define entropy.

 

[GaryAnderson]

Define entropy.

Entropy is a force of this Universe which takes things from chaos and turns them into order. Into nothingness where nothing happens.

Entropy - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[tonychanyt]

Entropy is a force of this Universe which takes things from chaos and turns them into order. Into nothingness where nothing happens.

Entropy - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Can you display the quote from Wiki and highlight the relevant words?

 

[GaryAnderson]

Can you display the quote from Wiki and highlight the relevant words?

What i said about entropy is a summary of what i think entropy is after reading about entropy and seeing documentaries about entropy over a period of many years.
The link i provided is just one of many resources on the Internet.

I'm surprised you haven't heard of entropy before.

 

[tonychanyt]

What i said about entropy is a summary of what i think entropy is after reading about entropy and seeing documentaries about entropy over a period of many years.
The link i provided is just one of many resources on the Internet.

I'm surprised you haven't heard of entropy before.

Technically, entropy is not a force.

 

[GaryAnderson]

Technically, entropy is not a force.

Okay, well you can tell me your version of what you think entropy is.

 

[tonychanyt]

Okay, well you can tell me your version of what you think entropy is.

Given a system (e.g., a room, the planet, the universe), the entropy of a system measures the thermodynamic state of the system in units of J/K. When a system exists, its entropy exists and is measurable.

 

[GaryAnderson]

Given a system (e.g., a room, the planet, the universe), the entropy of a system measures the thermodynamic state of the system in units of J/K. When a system exists, its entropy exists and is measurable.

Okay, that's great. But in plain English i think this force is fundamental in restoring the current chaos we find ourselves in, since the big bang.
So, in relation to Creation and Adam and Eve i wonder how this force played out as i mentioned in post #2.
Maybe God overrides this force or maybe the Tree of Life has a special ingredient from God which fights entropy.

I just wonder about this stuff that's all.

 

[tonychanyt]

Okay, that's great. But in plain English i think this force is fundamental in restoring the current chaos we find ourselves in, since the big bang.
So, in relation to Creation and Adam and Eve i wonder how this force played out as i mentioned in post #2.
Maybe God overrides this force or maybe the Tree of Life has a special ingredient from God which fights entropy.

I just wonder about this stuff that's all.

The 2nd law of thermodynamics states that the entropy of a system increases over time. There is no external physical force acting upon the closed system. It is just the nature of atoms and molecules inside the system.

Outside the system, there is God who one day will put a stop to the current chaos we observe on planet Earth.

Technically, entropy is not a force and it does not measure the level of chaos either.

 

[throughfiierytrial]

In the beginning, in the Garden of Eden, there was no sin and no sickness. After the fall, sickness and death happened.
Micah 6 affirmed this positive correlation:13 So also I will make you sick, striking you down, Desolating you because of your sins.

On the other hand, Jesus stated a non-correlation in
John 9:1 As he passed by, he saw a man blind from birth. 2 And his disciples asked him, “Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he was born blind?” 3 Jesus answered, “It was not that this man sinned, or his parents, but that the works of God might be displayed in him.

Let proposition S1 = If a person sins, he will get sick.

S1 is false, i.e., S1 is not universally true for everyone without exceptions.

Generally speaking, there is a positive correlation between sin and sickness. In specific cases, however, the correlation could be 0.

John 5:13-15, however, says the following which contradicts what you conclude:
13 The man who was healed had no idea who it was, for Jesus had slipped away into the crowd that was there.
14 Later Jesus found him at the temple and said to him, “See, you are well again. Stop sinning or something worse may happen to you.” 15 The man went away and told the Jewish leaders that it was Jesus who had made him well.

When King David sinned, his son was taken from him through death to the child

Here's another clearly phrased statement which indicates that when one sins you may be punished...if you are a child of God:
James 5:14-15:
14 Is anyone among you sick? Let them call the elders of the church to pray over them and anoint them with oil in the name of the Lord. 15 And the prayer offered in faith will make the sick person well; the Lord will raise them up. If they have sinned, they will be forgiven. 16 Therefore confess your sins to each other and pray for each other so that you may be healed..

God disciplines and yes, sometimes punishes those who are His sons...
Hebrews 12:7-11:

 

[Diamond72]

Micah 6 affirmed this positive correlation:13 So also I will make you sick, striking you down, Desolating you because of your sins.

If you read this in context people reap what they sow. The justice of God is exact and precise. Esp when there are victims for their "violence".

We also see this when drugs and alcohol are involved. People pay a heavy price for their sins. People do not realize there is a lot of disease associated with illicit sex. I know a woman who had throat cancer twice and the only person she ever had sex with was her husband. He reminded me of the character from To Kill a Mocking Bird. He did not want to hurt people, but he did. Not all HPV can produce cancer, but some of them do. They have a vaccine for that. More than 90 percent of sexually active men and 80 percent of sexually active women will be infected with HPV in their lifetime. Sometimes the wife pays the price for her husbands sin.

 

[Diamond72]

When King David sinned, his son was taken from him through death to the child

This is common for people to lose their first child. My first son died when he was 40. The case of David and Bathsheba makes this clear. Even though the second son was Solomon. That is why they talk about the scarlet thread or the bloodline of Jesus has a lot of sinners.

 

[tonychanyt]

John 5:13-15, however, says the following which contradicts what you conclude:

Thanks for sharing

Can you display the two propositions that contradict?

 

[throughfiierytrial]

Thanks for sharing

Can you display the two propositions that contradict?

I'm currently on my phone, will answer more fully later, but sin is at times punished by God with illness to the believer. We still take the Hebrews passages as encouragement that God disciplines His sons...He is treating us as sons.

 

[throughfiierytrial]

I'm currently on my phone, will answer more fully later, but sin is at times punished by God with illness to the believer. We still take the Hebrews passages as encouragement that God disciplines His sons...He is treating us as sons.

You, it appears, are stating there is no connection between sin and illness as pertains to God's intervention in a believer's life. Correct, Tony, that is what you conclude???

 

[throughfiierytrial]

Thanks for sharing

Can you display the two propositions that contradict?

Re-reading the OP...I see now that what you present is much as I state..."when a person is sick, as James puts it:"if" he has sinned...operative word there is "if"
Your scientific ways confuse me.