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CACTUSJACKmankin
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Kindly explain mountains, mountain ranges, earthquakes, volcanoes, tsunamis, etc without invoking plate tectonics. Thor or Zeus? Cthulhu? Ents?
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According to the inventor of your plate tectonics myth and the rediscoverer of expansion tectonics reality, namely Samuel Warren Carey, vertical orogenic uplift (earth expansion) is caused by the the exact same mechanism as is theorized in plate tectonics, namely oceanic seafloor spreading.
"The plate-tectonics advocates have produced a concept based on well documented expansion criteria and complemented by a hypothetical subduction process." -- Hugh Wilson, geologist, 1973
"There was no question in our discussion about the existence of sea-floor spreading, although neither of us was confident about it being a constant rate. Neither of us [H.W. Menard and Maurice Ewing] believed for a moment in an expanding earth, so we were left with a puzzle." -- H.W. Menard, geologist, The Ocean of Lies, 1986
"The greatest disturbance of traditional geological views came from the concept of oceanic seafloor spreading. By now, this has developed into a well-balanced theory which is in agreement with the results of geological and geophysical observations." -- Yury V. Chudinov, geologist, 1998
LOL.
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So, was the the early humans who figured that out, or was it the spacemen, OilIsMastery?
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That is one of the most important and intelligent questions being asked today.
"And Azazel taught men to make swords, and knives, and shields, and breastplates, and made known to them the metals of the earth and the working of them, and bracelets, and ornaments, and the use of antinomy, and the beautifying of the eyelids, and all kinds of costly stones, and all coloring tinctures. And there arose much godlessness, and they committed fornication, and they were led astray, and became corrupt in all their ways. Semjaza taught enchantments, and root-cuttings, Armaros the resolving of enchantments, Baraqijal (taught) astrology, Kokabel the constellations, Ezeqeel the knowledge of the clouds, Araqiel the signs of the earth, Shamsiel the signs of the sun, and Sariel the course of the moon. And as men perished, they cried, and their cry went up to heaven." -- Enoch 8:1-2
"He [Democritus] said that the ordered worlds are boundless and differ in size, and that in some there is neither sun nor moon, but that in others, both are greater than with us, and yet with others more in number. And that the intervals between the ordered worlds are unequal, here more and there less, and that some increase, others flourish and others decay, and here they come into being and there they are eclipsed. But that they are destroyed by colliding with one another. And that some ordered worlds are bare of animals and plants and all water." -- Hippolytus, priest, 2nd century
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A pity there are no important and intelligent people answering today.
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My sentiment exactly.
"The mind has lost it's cutting edge, we hardly understand the Ancients." -- Grégoire de Tours, historian, 6th century
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Expanding earth? You do realize that violates many laws of physics including conservation of mass. There's no viable mechanism for it. The movements of the plates, while small, is measurable. If the earth were growing even slowly we would be able to detect it.
Expanding earth and venus as a comet.
So do you just believe anything that mainstream science rejects?
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Indeed.
"The causal understanding of Earth expansion is not yet fully understood, but the empirical processes involved are confirmed by such numerous and different sets of data that this should be considered fact." -- Stefan Cwojdzinski, geologist, 2005
No I don't realize that.
"There is no known physical principle, no known physics law, no known physics theory, and no known physics equation which remotely suggests that planets and stars cannot gain mass via collection of sub-sub-sub atomic particles. None. There is no violating regarding known laws of physics. Indeed, the Earth does gain some mass (a small amount) due to being pelted with solar wind, neutrinos, etc. Does this change all of physics? It does not change or alter basic physics -- or even modern physics. It merely reinterprets the equations of general relativity. It is consistent with mass conservation and energy conservation. I really can't state this any more simply." -- Dennis J. McCarthy, geoscientist, October 2003
However, I realize that plate tectonics is a violation of the laws of nature.
"More realistically, the appropriate and credible physical metaphor for subduction would be of a wooden nail being projected very slowly into a cannon ball. This is, of course, impossible, even over infinite time...." -- Stavros T. Tassos (seismologist) and David J. Ford (geologist), 2005
"Putting aside the insurmountable mechanical problems of subduction (a solid driven by the force of gravity penetrating into another solid), this is a gross violation of the obvious and of direct observation. Heat cannot be released instantly, because it is known from petrology that the cooling rate of rocks is about 50 degrees Kelvin per billion years!" -- Stavros T. Tassos, seismologist, 2005
"Therefore the thermally controlled conveyor-belt subduction model, as well as any variants or hybrid models, should be discarded because they are in fundamental contradiction with direct observation and deny the obvious." -- Stavros T. Tassos, seismologist, 2005
If that's true, then there is no viable mechanism for plate tectonics.
Why don't you believe in oceanic seafloor spreading?
"The greatest disturbance of traditional geological views came from the concept of oceanic seafloor spreading. By now, this has developed into a well-balanced theory which is in agreement with the results of geological and geophysical observations." -- Yury V. Chudinov, geologist, 1998
Exactly. And the measurements prove the Earth to be growing.
"But other individuals who had lived before, and measured before, might be able to help us; and it would be very easy to re-measure their distances, so that if any increase were found, the question would be decided. The records of measurements from 200 years B.C., down to the present time, were then examined, with what result will be seen .... The past and present records of astronomy were next searched, for the purpose of endeavoring to disprove rather than to prove this continual increase; but, at every point I was defeated." -- Alfred W. Drayson, natural philosopher, 1859
"Upon examining the records of former measured distances, it appeared that the later operations showed this same distance to contain more feet and inches than formerly. My first idea was, that the measuring metals had contracted, but the great care which each operator had taken to guard against such a contingency, very shortly induced me to search for another cause. After many months, it was suggested to me, that possibly the earth was expanding, instead of the metals contracting; but no sooner did this idea present itself, than it was almost instantly rejected, for I hastily concluded that such a fact could not have escaped observation had it existed. I have always been disinclined to reject any suggestion, however novel, until I had closely examined its various phases. I therefore proceeded to reason upon the possibility of the growth of the Earth." -- Alfred W. Drayson, natural philosopher, 1859
Not if you don't want to detect it.
"The relative motion of Hawaii and Arequipa [Peru] is 80±3 mm/yr...." -- D.E. Smith, geophysicist, et al., 1990
Indeed.
Basically.
"... if you say all the adopted positions are wrong, you'll seldom be wrong." -- Jeremiah P. Ostriker, cosmologist, 1996
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Garbage is garbage even if a PhD says it. Expanding earth doesn't work. what are sub-sub-sub atomic particles? is that a technical term? There still is no credible mechanism by which the earth could expand. Where are these sub-sub-sub atomic particles? What's making them? At what rate is this occurring? At least we have a mechanism for tectonic movement. They can deny reality all they want but they need to work on the viability of their own theory before deriding others'.
Good then! Have no position on any subject since all positions could be wrong.
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I agree.
That's exactly why I reject plate tectonics.
And a great many other popular myths.
In fact, it does whether you like it or not.
Well let's start with subatomic particles. Do you know what those are?
As I said, if this is true then there is also no credible mechanism by which the Earth could maintain a constant size.
Throughout the universe.
Stars and the Sun.
Apparently there is a magnetic flux transfer event between the Sun and the Earth every 8 minutes.
Earthquakes daily.
I thought you said we don't have a mechanism for tectonic movement.
What mechanism are you referring to?
The same person who rediscovered continental drift also rediscovered expansion tectonics reality (Mantovani 1905).
The same person who invented the plate tectonics myth also rediscovered expansion tectonics reality (Carey 1976).
That was the position of Sextus Empiricus, Pierre Huet, and David Hume...
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I guess it is safer to have no position on anything, and let other people pretend to speak for you.
It's actually quite clever -- you assume no responsibility for your ideas because you have no ideas.
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Correct...
Intellectual cowardice... fear of being wrong forces a person to be nothing
I see it a lot in academia.
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I'm not afraid to be wrong. Precisely the opposite: nothing would make me more happy than to be wrong. It's called learning...Intellectual cowardice... fear of being wrong forces a person to be nothing
I observe the opposite.
"...their theory is incorrect but they don't have an accepted theory to replace it and that I think is very psychologically bothersome to particularly scientists who have gone into science in order to be certain about the world, to be sure that they're right and so forth, and it's a very insecure position. Some scientists have joked that, well, a scientist would rather be wrong than uncertain. We sort of have to live with uncertainty which is, well, it's an interesting and challenging situation." -- Halton C. Arp, astronomer, 1998
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I'm not afraid to be wrong. Precisely the opposite: nothing would make me more happy than to be wrong. It's called learning...
Then why not express something in your own words, rather than hide behind quotes of people smarter than yourself?
Don't get me wrong many of the quotes are interesting, but surely you once had higher aspirations than being a human google.
Remember, the "experts" are supposed to support your position, not be your position.
Amusing quote, but I'm not talking about scientists, I'm talking about students -- with so much new information to absorb, too many choose to latch on to the most outspoken, most controversial, or even just the first "expert" they hear, rather than take a stand and think for themselves.
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As it is written, there is no new thing under the Sun (Ecclesiastes 1:9). You'll note sometimes I express myself in my own words. I think you went so far as to post them on some other website?
Aspiring towards originality is futile and pointless.
"Your manuscript is both good and original. But the part that is good is not original, and the part that is original is not good." -- Samuel Johnson, author, 1777
"Everything has been said before, but since nobody listens we have to keep going back and beginning all over again." -- André Gide, author, 1891
"Even in literature and art, no man who bothers about originality will ever be original: whereas if you simply try to tell the truth (without caring twopence how often it has been told before) you will, nine times out of ten, become original without ever having noticed it." -- C.S. Lewis, author, 1942
"Everything of importance has been said before, by someone who did not discover it." -- Alfred N. Whitehead, mathematician/philosopher, 1947
"... medieval thinkers were not interested on being original, or what we now call the 'copyright.'" -- Manuel Alfonseca, computer scientist, 1999
Says who?
That's why you need people like me to provide minority, alternative, dissident, and heretical views, for the sake of diversity?
While that's true to some extent, the Truth exists regardless of what the most outspoken, controversial, and expert pundits say.
If people can't think for themselves and choose amongst the competing theories then God help them.
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Believing this, what would you say is your contribution towards -- well, anything?
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I contribute truth not originality.
If it's originality you're looking for you might want to check Meinong's Jungle next to the invisible pink unicorns aboard Noah's Ark.
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