Christians slaughtered

garry2 · Nov 25, 2009

TehMill said:
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Don't be such a sour puss what has rapture doctrine to do with godliness or ungodliness? the the fact that anyone who disagrees with you gets roasted might be an indication that your doctrine is amiss.

The rapture doctrine has much to do with ungodliness judging the hate posts some get from anti pre tribbers.

When confronted about their hateful posts some say it's not pre tribbers we hate but the pre trib doctrine, although they are addressing their remarks at pre tribbers and not the pre trib doctrine. As in your case where your flammetory remarks are addressed to pre tribbers and not the pre trib doctrine.

Also to further answer your question, mocking and scoffing is ungodly.

TehMill:

Pre tribbers might practise jumping

TehMill:

we love pre-tribbers. I've got an old trampoline you can practise on

garry2 · Nov 25, 2009

Brad2009 said:
I'm not saying that the pre-tribbers are cowards at all. I'm encouraging them so they won't lose heart when their pet ideology ends up getting proven false

Pre tribs study beliefs are pet ideologys, yours are, don't tell me "truth"

garry2 · Nov 25, 2009

TehMill said:
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Don't be such a sour puss what has rapture doctrine to do with godliness or ungodliness? the the fact that anyone who disagrees with you gets roasted might be an indication that your doctrine is amiss.

You can give just one quote then where I have roasted you or someone else because they disagree with me.

Just one.

TehMill · Nov 25, 2009

garry2 said:
You can give just one quote then where I have roasted you or someone else because they disagree with me.

Just one.

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Um lumping me with the ungodly mockers for a start, like I am not walking after my own lusts [and YOU are taking offence at ME], I believe in the rapture, it is the question of when at dispute, you say it is before the tribulation, the bible says after. Cheer up bro it's ME going through the trib not you [or so you think] it should be me who is melacholy. I am just having a little fun that's all.

Brad2009 · Nov 25, 2009

garry2 said:
Pre tribs study beliefs are pet ideologys, yours are, don't tell me "truth"

I normally don't grammar police, but I really don't understand what you're saying.

garry2 · Nov 25, 2009

TehMill said:
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Um lumping me with the ungodly mockers for a start,

God said you will be judged by every word that comes out of your mouth, He wasn't joking.

TehMill:

Pre tribbers might practise jumping

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TehMill:

we love pre-tribbers. I've got an old trampoline you can practise on

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like I am not walking after my own lusts [and YOU are taking offence at ME], I believe in the rapture, it is the question of when at dispute, you say it is before the tribulation, the bible says after. Cheer up bro it's ME going through the trib not you [or so you think] it should be me who is melacholy. I am just having a little fun that's all.

I'm not uncheerful or melancholy, but add falsely accusing if you wish, to the mocking of anothers bibical belief.

TehMill · Nov 26, 2009

All anybody really needs to ask to discover when the rapture will take place is which comes first? the tribulation? or the wrath of God? obviosly it is the tribulation.

Now go to 2nd Thess. ch:2 and see where the tribulation fits in between the falling away, the revealing of Antichrist and his taking his seat in the temple.

The wrath of God clearly begins with the Lord's coming to slay him with His breath and by His appearing. That also is the rapture. Then the tribulation period must figure between the falling away in rebellion and Antichrist taking his seat in the temple.

And there you will find it "who opposeth all so-called god" this is no idle word, it means he is going to dedicate himself to the total irradication of ALL religion.

"they shall deliver you up to tribulation and shall put you to death"

A Brother In Christ · Nov 26, 2009

Jews of the law period are promised the earth.... matt 5:5

we are promised the heavens.... heb 12:23

TehMill · Nov 28, 2009

Ephesians 1:9-10
For He has made known to us in all wisdom and insight the mystery of His will according to the purpose which He has set forth in Christ, as a plan for the fulness of time [the mill] to UNITE ALL THINGS in Him things in heaven and things on earth.

Son of Israel · Dec 1, 2009

TehMill said:
You often hear pre tribs say that there is no mention of the church on earth after chapter 4 of revelations~actually there is.
Revs:6:9-11
And when He had opened the 5th seal I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God and for the testimony which they held.
And they cried out with a loud voice "how long O Lord holy and true dost Thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?

And white robes were given unto every one of them and it was told unto them that they should rest yet for a little season until their fellowservants and brethren that should be killed as they were SHOULD BE FULFILLED.

Bros and sisses saints are not martyred in heaven~these were yet to be martyred on earth.

Look at ch:7 and verse nine onwards, you will see who these fellowservants are who should be killed as these others had been.
They are the crowd that suddenly appear in heaven which no man could number of all nations, tribe, kindreds, and tongues.
They had washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb and had come out of great tribulation.

The church is not going to be raptured out of the tribulation she is going to be martyred out of it.

YEA! Good, I can't wait

(1Pe 4:13) But rejoice, inasmuch as ye are partakers of Christ's sufferings; that, when his glory shall be revealed, ye may be glad also with exceeding joy.

(Jam 5:10) Take, my brethren, the prophets, who have spoken in the name of the Lord, for an example of suffering affliction, and of patience.
(Jam 5:11) Behold, we count them happy which endure. Ye have heard of the patience of Job, and have seen the end of the Lord; that the Lord is very pitiful, and of tender mercy.

TehMill · Dec 2, 2009

Son of Israel said:
YEA! Good, I can't wait

(1Pe 4:13) But rejoice, inasmuch as ye are partakers of Christ's sufferings; that, when his glory shall be revealed, ye may be glad also with exceeding joy.

(Jam 5:10) Take, my brethren, the prophets, who have spoken in the name of the Lord, for an example of suffering affliction, and of patience.
(Jam 5:11) Behold, we count them happy which endure. Ye have heard of the patience of Job, and have seen the end of the Lord; that the Lord is very pitiful, and of tender mercy.

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Even though my language is lurid "christians slaughtered" and I believe it, I see that in the near future great blessing for Israel and great sorrow in the church with the world somewhat ambivolent.

The German persecution is the forerun so you have to put yourself in the place of a Jew in Nazi Germany, but it will be much worse than this.

I know there is nothing I am holding on to as dear in this rotten old world, again I think we should approach the trib as Chist approached the cross, Gethsamane.

Thank God we have a Lord who has gone before us. Also I would say that I believe a new joy and inner strength is coming to God's people, like Stephen we will know what it is to have our faces lit up as angels and people will be saved.

garry2 · Dec 2, 2009

The church is not going to be raptured out of the tribulation she is going to be martyred out of it.

YEA! Good, I can't wait

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]1 Thess 1:10 And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]this deliverance from wrath is the catching up to Christ.[/FONT]
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[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]1 Thess 5:9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,

Romans 5:9 Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from wrath through Him.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Those that are His are not appointed to wrath, satans or God's.[/FONT]
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Hismessenger · Dec 2, 2009

Amo 9:10 All the sinners of my people shall die by the sword, which say, The evil shall not overtake nor prevent us.

hismessenger

garry2 · Dec 2, 2009

I think I'm being stalked.

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]1 Thess 1:10 And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]1 Thess 5:9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,

Romans 5:9 Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from wrath through Him.[/FONT]

Believe Gods inspired word, that's Him speaking, not me.

Hismessenger · Dec 2, 2009

fo: - New King James Version © 1982 Thomas Nelson

NLT - Amo 9:10 - But all the sinners will die by the sword--all those who say, `Nothing bad will happen to us.'

They have been spouting this same lie for centuries and every time, they have had to pay the price. This the word confirms.

hismessenger

garry2 · Dec 2, 2009

Hismessenger said:
http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Amo&c=9&v=10&t=KJV#comm/10

Amo 9:10 All the sinners of my people shall die by the sword, which say, The evil shall not overtake nor prevent us.

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hismessenger

That verse concerns the nation - tribes of Israel, and not the church, how can you not see that?

Hismessenger · Dec 3, 2009

Isa 66:16 For by fire and by His sword The LORD will judge all flesh; And the slain of the LORD shall be many.

Jer 25:33

"And at that day the slain of the LORD shall be from [one] end of the earth even to the [other] end of the earth . They shall not be lamented, or gathered, or buried; they shall become refuse on the ground.

NLT - Amo 9:10 - But all the sinners will die by the sword--all those who say, `Nothing bad will happen to us.'

Word is truth, not Israel but the church as well.

hismessenger

Son of Israel · Dec 3, 2009

garry2 said:
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]1 Thess 1:10 And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]this deliverance from wrath is the catching up to Christ.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]1 Thess 5:9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ, [/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Romans 5:9 Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from wrath through Him.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Those that are His are not appointed to wrath, satans or God's.[/FONT]

ACTUALLY... THIS is the deliverance in more descriptive detail...

(Joh 16:21) A woman when she is in travail hath sorrow, because her hour is come: but as soon as she is delivered of the child, she remembereth no more the anguish, for joy that a man is born into the world.

(Rom 8:21) Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.

(2Co 1:10) Who delivered us from so great a death, and doth deliver: in whom we trust that he will yet deliver us;

(2Co 4:11) For we which live are alway delivered unto death for Jesus' sake, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our mortal flesh.

(Col 1:13) Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

(1Th 1:10) And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come.

I am delivered by the forming of Christ in me, then the eventual putting off of the body and the Son of God is revealed!

Forget the other futuristic stuff. It means nothing.

Son of Israel

TehMill · Dec 3, 2009

I praise God He has delivered me from the wrath to come, However Jesus said they will deliver you up to tribulation and put you to death, tribulation therefore is persecution, the great tribulation is the great persecution. Believe God's inspired word, that's Jesus speaking.

Hismessenger · Dec 3, 2009

How are we delivered from the wrath to come. Is it by being removed from earthly tribulation or is it that He covered our sins which we have committed.

I believe that many don't fully understand the meaning of Salvation and I just started a thread to talk about this with the brethern. There are many who have already died before His wrath begins but that doesn't mean that they have been removed for if their sins are not covered, guess what, they will suffer the wrath of God be they christians or not, they will endure His wrath. That is what Amos 9:10 is talking about. Sinners of my people shall also die by the sword and suffer God's wrath for not seeking Him in truth and love.

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