yaqov said:
You don't show signs of professionalism.
Here we go, engaged offensive, again! Since when are you the judge of my professionalism? Please refer to the witnesses of CF; I can gather 7 members right now to break your behavior down to you. Peaceful Soul, Rasta, Secundulus, Montalban, Anglian, InnocentOdion, Osiris… And you just got rebuked by a muslim sister of yours. Good going DJ!
yaqov said:
All you would make sure is lies and false witness as many of the muslims who are in jails around the world today.Many have never been charged for any crime, had nothing to do with terrorism.They were just muslims and you people lied to the world that they are the most dagerous criminals and had to be locked up.From beginning to end the only thing you lot thrive on is lies, deception.
i saw an interview of one turkish Guy recently who was captured and locked up in Guantanmo for so many who had committed no crime and was released with no charge. His only crime was being Muslim and having been to study in pakistan. So don't give me the rubbish of "If you are a member of a radical group, I would make sure you are." Most of the people I have heard of who were locked up had nothing to do with any radical group. Just lies told against them.There is even the incident of the [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]pon muslims who went to attend a wedding in Pakistan and ended up in American prison. Were they terrorists too?Not according to evidence they provided.
So please spare me the crap.
When people commit terrorist acts in the name of their religion, motivation does not have be present at a given time, subject does not have to be active or inactive in a certain group or ummah. Terrorism subjects have been violent in the past after showing perfect signs of “no-connections” and they ended up with bombs strapped in their chests and killed civilians. I am not interested in your guilt trip, we have a job to do to protect our citizens from the violent radical elements in your hijacked religion which promotes global domination. In my book, you end up in my watch list, you are already guilty. You will either have concrete proof, or you will give it time to prove your innocence. Most people you heard of had nothing to do with terrorism? What, where you there to fingerprint them? Here is a story for my readers, I was investigated also due to my Islamic background, the panic was understandable, we were just attacked by a religious mafia who adhered to a religion with a history of intolerance and violence, and they were documented devout followers. During this investigation I met a Pakistani “Tariq”, a Canadian citizen. Compained and moaned for days that he was innocent, he was in a valid visa status, he did nothing wrong, government is acting stupid; he would sue them once he goes back to Canada. Devout muslim with reading Quran every night, I hear. Other side of the medallion, U.S. government sent Tariq to federal prison for committing identity fraud for having multiple passports. He lied. You are instructed by your religion to lie in the face of adversary. Who are you fooling? Just go back remember what caused this reputation of Islam religion and its violent adherents. Yourselves. Good luck.
yaqov said:
For you anything that is not conform to what you beleive is an attack even if the argument is put forward by various Christians scholars.So the attack does not necessarily come from me.it is in your mind, your ego.I remember one day I just said to a Christian Jesus did not die on the cross and he answered back don'rt attack my religion. I wonder what he would have said if he had read what the Talmud said about Jesus and Christianity.So the issue of attacking your religion is in your mind only.may be i should posts some talmud quotes and compare with what I said to see which is an attack.
Draw the line there. There is nothing for people around here for you to present your case. It is your behavior which is the problem, how you encounter counter-arguments. Your sources are dubious, your sources are refuted, but yet you insist they are of value. Then you are explained why they are not of value, you ignore this logical outcome and continue your ways. This is called trolling. When you tell a Christian, Christ didn’t die on the Cross, your base point is the Islamic teaching, this in turn denies Christ, and that is an open attack to Christian faith. Since you are also accusing those who delivered the faith to us being liars. Why should any Christian take heed what Talmud has to say, what Quran has to say? Explain how these are relevant to our faith and savior? You are going on a deer hunt with a sling. Fix your attitude, get out of the mindset that you can teach Christians their faith, ask and learn but don’t preach a faith you are not a member of. Otherwise, they will make an example of you, as you can observe in this example! You have a great reputation among Christians on this board.
yaqov said:
you are not an authority here, you are not an authority anyway not because you are in the American airforce.So not because you don't beleive it does not mean I lied.Show me with evidence where I lied or are you going to use MI tactics of telling lies about others with no evidence.
What are you complaining about? My job has nothing to with this; I would urge you would get your facts straight before commenting on people and what they do. Odion’s posts are open for everyone to read. He could have just reported you for this reckless and malicious behavior that causes discomfort and annoyance to everyone else. I am reading your posts, you post two things that do not match, and you are claiming something, next you contradict yourself by saying something different…
yaqov said:
shaking in my boots, wishful thinker aren't you.I was going to post an article I read show who really shake in their boots when they meet Mujahideen however I am sure you would accuse me of being part of that radical group.
I am a wishful thinker, not as much as you are, but everyone is to a degree, our wish is to end the terrorism that surrounds this world in the name of Islam. Our wish is that you leave this forum and take your nonsense somewhere else, go to christiandiscussions.org, you will love it, they argue as much as you do. Your primitive Mujahideen, Taliban, Al-Queda stand in the way, they will be destroyed. Nothing we didn’t do. We don’t fight for religion; we fight for freedom of religion. Your hesitance is the proof that you cannot stand up for things, the evil things you believe in. you know they are evil, you cannot defend them in the face of free world, because you know you would put yourself in jeopardy. You are out of my hands. Post whatever makes you feel pumped. We will take that hot air out sooner or later.
yaqov said:
Sheikh Ibn Taymiyah said something that I always reflect upon" What can my enemies possibly do to me? My paradise is in my breast; wherever I go it goes with me, insepa­rable from me. For me, prison is a place of retreat; ex­ecution is my opportunity for martyrdom; and exile from my town is but a chance to travel.
So with that resolve I don't shake in my boots, just keep dreaming. I am sure you would when the angel of death looks you in the eye.
Was your sheikh a terrorist who killed innocents for the cause of Islam? He speaks of noble causes, your terrorists do not. Angel of death? Is that how much you know Christianity? You speak of your incomplete knowledge boldly, unfortunately; again!!! We don’t adhere to Islamic terms such as Azrael. We don’t believe in a death angel that is commissioned to watch over the dying, separate the soul from the body, and receive the spirits of the dead. That is a copied belief of Islam from Judaism. We believe in Guardian angels, if you must know.
yaqov said:
All what you call unsubstatiated and misquotes come from Christians sources not because you don't agree with them does not make them untrue. I told you, you are not the authority. I am sure much of the stuff I quote from is approved by Christians scholars nort because it does not sing your tune that means it is totally unsubsatantiated.I am sure most of the people I discuss with approve of Philip Schaffs material and most others.
Still parroting the same thing!!! Let us for once second as a Christian we are not authority, now EXPLAIN, are you? Is Schaff? Is CCEL an authority? Elaborate, why I should disregard the teachings of my church and listen to an anti-catholic biased author? Why don’t you change your sources to goarch,org or antiochian.org for example? Oh they don’t tell you anything that you would help you build your agenda right? Most people I talk agrees that true family line of Muhammad starts with Ali and he is the successor. Shia is more than accurate in their claims, so? This is what you lack, objective criticism of information. How come you use Schaff all the time but not St. John Chrysostom? Oh could you tell me if Schaff also refuted Trinity? How about Jesus being God? What does Schaff say about these? There is where you fail, and that is what we call manipulation of sources and information. Your dishonesty has been proven, ask Anglian and Secundulus.
yaqov said:
Actually for your information i have learnt much more about Christian and the Bible from Christian sources.And yes i do listen to christians, nit the lay christians but their scholars I have no business with the lay christian who has no Knowledge but just faith. The Lay Christian who beleives his bible was written by oner person at one place in one period of time.
I don’t believe a word you say, you are a liar, why would I? Why would anyone? Did you establish proper reputation and credibility among us? What qualifies a scholar real Christian? How come you never quote CHRISTIAN PROFESSOR CLIVE STAPLES LEWIS? Why, because he doesn’t “sing your tune”. You commit the same crime you accuse others of, and that is what we call hypocrisy. So, can you technically prove that I HAVE NO KNOWLEDGE about Christianity? Thankfully I am not a recent convert like you are, and I do not need to spread lies to defend my faith, I do not need to find a way to justify my faith’s shortcomings by attacking others’. Another pearl here, laymen believe that Bible was written by one person at one place at one period of time. That is the definition of Quranic understanding of Christian Scriptures, why would anyone believe in that?
yaqov said:
Oh! so sudden praise for my brother, I am not how long it will be beofre you cannot tackle their arguments and start slandering them too. after all they too like me dio notbeleive Jesus is Gdod, or the son of GODnor was he crucified.So it is not long before they become a victim of your arrogance too.
I tackle their arguments all the time if you have not noticed, I can’t expect much from you though in that matter. To be honest, the only difference they have from you is that they seem to be listening. I don’t care about their beliefs; my praise was not meant to indicate positivity towards their faith. I praised the way they conduct themselves. They use proper English, they do seem to be full of critical thought, aware of context and they produce their arguments based on their understanding and once answered, they seem to move on. You fail in all those areas. You are, like I said, a disgrace to the position of scholarship. You are a foul debater by not observing standards and establishing credibility. Fix yourself instead of worrying about my arrogance.
yaqov said:
Look who is talking, you have a short memory of How when you could not discuss with me you followed every post of mine not to refute my arguments but defame me.I created a thread called Connection of judaism and Christianity with the Far eastern religion that was all based on lectures from Yale. who came in and insulted me.So you better tell yourself what you are preaching to me.
Really? Who also ABANDONED that thread? Who also quit in the face of counter-arguments? Who was the one who could not actually introduce the necessity of Yale lectures to be of recognized authority or excellence, who could not establish Yale as having authority or ascendancy or influence…? Who could not establish Yale is sanctioned by an established authority? Everyone can copy and paste. You failed miserably in the face of theological positions, could NOT answer logical questions and kept escaping to the same lame excuse “I am not saying it, Yale says it” We already know that, a professional debater would know much about their sources instead of throwing them on the table. You lost it once more there. And finally who called out “I am your worst nightmare”? Now you are dealing with that nightmare.
yaqov said:
Actually this is a message to you that you are preaching the wrong message and not that of Jesus. you intimitade with your Military intelligence crap, You lied on so many occasions, you lied about islam and the t5eachings, you misquoted verses and hadeeth.So al in all you are preaching a false christianity not that of Jesus
How do you know who is preaching the wrong message? A couple years back you had no clue how was preaching what… For all that matter, Muhammad met Satan or one of his minions in the Hira cave. What have you established I am teaching the wrong message? Does Schaff tell you we believe in the wrong message? Why don’t you refer to your beloved source what he thinks of Christ? I have always laid out my experiences with Islam, and the state of ummah I grew up in. I didn’t convert and escape to Islam like you did after a drunkard life. I grew up into it, and I do provide correct information about it, you can’t refute it because you do not know the depth of state of my ummah. Though, I pay utmost top attention NOT to quote a hadith or a Quranic verse because I do not speak Arabic. That is another proof of your twisting the truth and delusional state. Final challenge to you yaqov, prove me Christianity is wrong by using sources that do not disagree with eachother… You have not yet. The actual ordeal is that you are trying to prove yourself Christianity is wrong. But it always comes facing up, and this wrecks your confidence in that religion of the arab.
