How can we be sure that the Bible is infallible?

lighthousekid · Nov 20, 2007

minister50 said:
By simply trusting and having faith in the Living God.

I... like don't want to be silly... but a couple (do they always go in couples?) of Mormons told me that about the Book of Mormon. I don't feel like that, at all. But makes me realize how weak my faith is.

ContentInHim · Nov 20, 2007

Gary51 said:
This is very interesting... why has understanding not been granted to them?

My thought is that they do not have the Holy Spirit who can teach us what scriptures mean.

If some have been granted understanding, and some haven't... isn't that unfair?

Well, no - I don't think it's unfair. I don't claim to understand how God chose his elect, but it's clear that there are elect and non-elect and the elect who are born-again can easily understand what has been written in scriptures.

And with so many having differing interpretations of what they read... which have understanding, and which do not?

Good question. When discussing scriptures, it's fairly clear to me when someone is using his intellect and when someone is using his Holy Spirit understanding. There's a world of difference in the result.

Gary51 · Nov 20, 2007

SpiritDriven said:
Giver said:

The only way to know for sure is to ask God.

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That means God is telling people different things, as we are not in all in agreement.

Jesus personally told me the Christian Bible is his written word.

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That is a big statement. How did He tell you?

OrthodoxyUSA · Nov 20, 2007

"This one will not hear of Baptism, and that one denies the sacrament, another puts a world between this and the last day: some teach that Christ is not God, some say this, some say that: there are as many sects and creeds as there are heads. No yokel is so rude but when he has dreams and fancies, he thinks himself inspired by the Holy Ghost and must be a prophet"

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Author anyone?

Forgive me...

Gary51 · Nov 20, 2007

ContentInHim said:
My thought is that they do not have the Holy Spirit who can teach us what scriptures mean.

But as you say... that is just your thought. Any many Christians claim to have the Holy Spirit, and yet they disagree on big topics.

Well, no - I don't think it's unfair.

I do. If understanding is God given why can it be given equally?

I don't claim to understand how God chose his elect,

You'd have a lot of explaining to do if you did make that claim.

but it's clear that there are elect and non-elect and the elect who are born-again can easily understand what has been written in scriptures.

So you are not one of the elect, because you admit to not understanding certain things, therefore you are not one who can easily understand scripture.

When discussing scriptures, it's fairly clear to me when someone is using his intellect and when someone is using his Holy Spirit understanding.

Please share with me this knowledge that I may discern the difference between intellect and Spirit.

OrthodoxyUSA · Nov 20, 2007

Christ God poured out the proper understanding to The Apostles.

Luk 24:45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,

Act 1:2-3 Until the day in which he was taken up, after that he through the Holy Ghost had given commandments unto the apostles whom he had chosen: To whom also he shewed himself alive after his passion by many infallible proofs, being seen of them forty days, and speaking of the things pertaining to the kingdom of God:

This "imparted knowledge" is "understood" to have a divine protection from Christ until the end of time.

Act 13:47 For so hath the Lord commanded us, [saying], I have set thee to be a light of the Gentiles, that thou shouldest be for salvation unto the ends of the earth.

If Christ had wanted us to follow "only" a book he would have written it himself. Instead he developed an Apostolic Tradition (handing down) and instituted a body of believers to carry on the work until his return. This community of believers wrote, assembled, and bound the worthy writings of the Apostles and deciples in preservation and as a witness, supporting and defending what they have always done even before these new scriptures were written.

Christ's gift to us may not be what we wanted... nor would logically be expecting... but that's what Christ did.

The NT scriptures, indeed the OT as well, as a tool, were never meant to be read outside the context of the body of believers... IOW ~ The Church... as they were assembled together. They were not designed to used as private tools.

2Pe 1:20-21 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake [as they were] moved by the Holy Ghost.

Just like the Eunuch in ACTS

Act 8:27-39 And he arose and went: and, behold, a man of Ethiopia, an eunuch of great authority under Candace queen of the Ethiopians, who had the charge of all her treasure, and had come to Jerusalem for to worship, Was returning, and sitting in his chariot read Esaias the prophet. Then the Spirit said unto Philip, Go near, and join thyself to this chariot. And Philip ran thither to [him], and heard him read the prophet Esaias, and said, Understandest thou what thou readest? And he said, How can I, except some man should guide me? And he desired Philip that he would come up and sit with him. The place of the scripture which he read was this, He was led as a sheep to the slaughter; and like a lamb dumb before his shearer, so opened he not his mouth: In his humiliation his judgment was taken away: and who shall declare his generation? for his life is taken from the earth. And the eunuch answered Philip, and said, I pray thee, of whom speaketh the prophet this? of himself, or of some other man? Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus. And as they went on [their] way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, [here is] water; what doth hinder me to be baptized? And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him. And when they were come up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught away Philip, that the eunuch saw him no more: and he went on his way rejoicing.

We are no different. We are no better... We need the Apostles and what Christ left to us. The scriptures alone are not enough.

Protecting the Truth from the beginning is something that very few "Churches" (like minded Christian people) can claim.

For we will mis-understand them if left to our own devises.

Forgive me... :liturgy:

tulc · Nov 20, 2007

Author anyone?

Well as I understand it it's attributed to Luther (Martin not Lex

) But there seems to be some doubt about it being his. Seen this?
http://beggarsallreformation.blogspot.com/2006/02/evils-of-private-interpretation-part.html
tulc(something of a quote fanatic)

lighthousekid · Nov 20, 2007

Please, close this tread if you can. I think I am going to make my questions in other areas, where it is not all debate, debate and debate

Thanks.

humbledbyhim · Nov 20, 2007

ContentInHim said:
We can be assured by God that His scriptures are infallible! I suggest that if you are unsure that you ask Him.

Hey, Orthodoxy - It's soooo good to see you, Brother!

See! This is what I like to see. This post was made by somene who understands that some things can only be cofirmed by the Holy Spirit through prayer.

tulc · Nov 20, 2007

Please, close this tread if you can. I think I am going to make my questions in other areas, where it is not all debate, debate and debate

Thanks.

So it wasn't a question for discussion? Sorry about that. :sorry:

What were you looking for? :scratch:

tulc(likes to help if he can)

krew · Nov 23, 2007

indepth study shows its not infallible.....just take the message from it

Sam48 · Nov 23, 2007

OrthodoxyUSA said:
WE can't.

We are assured by THE CHURCH that these are the teaching of the Apostles as handed to them by Christ. We either trust that or not.

Forgive me...

*agrees*

CShephard53 · Nov 24, 2007

tulc said:
...much the same proof used for the Qur'an by some Muslims.
tulc(just a thought)

Problem, Paul actually wrote some of those things, whereas Mohammad was illiterate.

Tarmaq · Nov 24, 2007

The Bible canon was assembled by committee, and then changed several times. Was it "infallible" the first time? The second time? The last time? How can something where the standard, the canon, the yardstick keeps changing be considered perfectly right every single time?

Maranatha27 · Nov 24, 2007

Yep it infallable. Study prophesy then you,ll see how we Christians claim the book is without error. The test for a prophet was the 100% acuracy rule. 99% acuracy resulted in a slow and painful death by stoning. The prophets gave prophecies that were fullfilled in there day and the future..Daniel is a great example. The 70 week prophesy to the exact detail...i love it. The World is lining up exactly as the Bible predicted, Israel reesablished, Russia and Iran getting close, Revived Rome looking for a leader, all future but you just have to look of all the prophecies of Christ fullfilled exactly to the letter....people got to know there Bible better, cause quite frankly i dont care what you choose to believe.

CShephard53 · Nov 24, 2007

minister50 said:
By simply trusting and having faith in the Living God.

You do realize that faith is based on fact? Hebrews 11:1?

Dannager · Nov 26, 2007

Maranatha27 said:
Yep it infallable. Study prophesy then you,ll see how we [fundamentalists] claim the book is without error.

Fixed.

CShephard53 · Nov 26, 2007

Dannager said:
Fixed.

Do you have anything better to do than to put words in other people's mouths?

DerSchweik · Nov 26, 2007

lighthousekid said:
Every Christian says that the Bible is inspired by the Holy Spirit.

...but the Bible was written by men...
...and they sin
...and so they could be inspired but say "nahhh, I'd rather write my own thing". It might seem stupid, but every sin is so...

Laying aside canons and churches and creeds for the moment; honestly, the best way to judge the Bible is simply to read it and study it, with an open heart and an open mind, honestly, prayerfully.

Dannager · Nov 26, 2007

jawsmetroid said:
Do you have anything better to do than to put words in other people's mouths?

Actually, I was making sure Maranatha27 didn't do exactly that. He said that "we Christians" believe that the Bible is without error. I'm Christian, and I don't believe that. Belief in biblical inerrancy is fundamentalist in origin, so I corrected it. I'm completely against people putting words in others mouths.

Back off the attack for a moment and actually take a look at what's going on. Your knee-jerk hostility is messing with your perceptions.

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