Why all the sledging between parties?

royboy · Oct 9, 2006

Why do people feel the need to hurl insults at the party they don't support.

I mean, don't they realise that all politicians lie and are only in it to further their own careers and line their pockets?

Who here really believes politicians are doing the job out of love for the people?

ElvisFan42 · Oct 9, 2006

royboy said:
Why do people feel the need to hurl insults at the party they don't support.

The same reason telemarketing still exists, it works

royboy said:
I mean, don't they realise that all politicians lie and are only in it to further their own careers and line their pockets?

Heck yeah! We live on hope though, the hope that one of those small-time politicians that really does care doesn't get too diluted by the time he makes it big-time.

royboy said:
Who here really believes politicians are doing the job out of love for the people?

There are some, but regardless, they are running the show, and you have to pick the ones closest to your own desires. You really think fundamentalists feel like the current admin is "one of their own"? No, but it's as close as they get.

skullcrush · Oct 9, 2006

When all you have are two parties, it tends to make it easier to point fingers.

Alabaster · Oct 9, 2006

royboy said:
Why do people feel the need to hurl insults at the party they don't support.

Because it is easy. Learning takes time. People insult because they have nothing better to say.

I mean, don't they realise that all politicians lie and are only in it to further their own careers and line their pockets?

Who here really believes politicians are doing the job out of love for the people?

I tend to think that politicians actually do try to help. I think the Administration actually thinks it is correct. They are wrong, but I have no doubt they think they are doing a good job. I have no doubt Ted Kennedy thinks he is making a positive difference and I Dennis Hastert thinks the same.

The problem here is that most posters have no actual knowledge about the subject matter and act accordingly. When this glaring lack is exposed some friend sweeps in to hide the fact.

JoshuaW · Oct 9, 2006

It's easy to say "all politicians are liars and crooks" and look like you know what you're talking about. The truth is much more complex.

Many politicians try hard to serve the people, with temptation and compromise a constant companion. Even Bill Clinton's critics must admit he was trying to ease the burden of the American people.

The same can not be said of George Bush. I really find it hard to believe he has ever considered the best interests of Americans.

royboy · Oct 9, 2006

JoshuaW said:
It's easy to say "all politicians are liars and crooks" and look like you know what you're talking about. The truth is much more complex.

Many politicians try hard to serve the people, with temptation and compromise a constant companion. Even Bill Clinton's critics must admit he was trying to ease the burden of the American people.

The same can not be said of George Bush. I really find it hard to believe he has ever considered the best interests of Americans.

It's easy to say "all politicians are liars and crooks"

Cops too. But yeah I take it back. 100% of them can't be bad.

Alabaster · Oct 9, 2006

JoshuaW said:
The same can not be said of George Bush. I really find it hard to believe he has ever considered the best interests of Americans.

I disagree. Everything I have read about the President, including Bob Woodwards first books, seem to indicate a President who truly believes he is divinely mandated to do whatever it is he thinks he is doing. I think his view of his legacy is much different from reality, but I think he believes he is a positive influence. I dont have any doubt he believes that in 100 years he will rank as one of the greatest Presidents ever.

JustOneWay · Oct 9, 2006

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royboy · Oct 9, 2006

The thing is, when someone criticises one party for a certain action, do they think their party is free from wrong? If they don't, and both parties are as bad as each other, then what's the point.

But then again, I can't think of a better system.

skullcrush · Oct 9, 2006

royboy said:
The thing is, when someone criticises one party for a certain action, do they think their party is free from wrong? If they don't, and both parties are as bad as each other, then what's the point.

But then again, I can't think of a better system.

You can't blame a whole party for the acts of a few. I don't think all Republicans are incompetant, simply because this administration is. The problem is no diversity in politics.

Alabaster · Oct 9, 2006

No problem.

Alabaster · Oct 9, 2006

I think there are mistakes galore, but I don’t think we can argue that the President is intentionally making mistakes. Or I guess he is not doing it on purpose. The mistakes are intentionally made, but I don’t think they recognize them as mistakes.

JustOneWay · Oct 9, 2006

JoshuaW said:
Boy, that's a big glass of KoolAid you got there.

I agree with Alabaster. Bush believes what he is doing is in the best interests for America. Bush believes he is doing the right thing. Bush is not an evil man, just grossly mis-advised.

burrow_owl · Oct 9, 2006

At this point, his ineptitude has veered into outright negligence. There is absolutely no excuse for his constant failure. These are failures that have endangered the entire country, and it's all the more galling for the fact that it's happened time and time again.

Alabaster · Oct 9, 2006

burrow_owl said:
At this point, his ineptitude has veered into outright negligence. There is absolutely no excuse for his constant failure. These are failures that have endangered the entire country, and it's all the more galling for the fact that it's happened time and time again.

I agree with Burrow and JustOneWay, the problem is ineptitude, but it is not malicious ineptitude.

Defensor Fidei · Oct 9, 2006

JustOneWay said:
I agree with Alabaster. Bush believes what he is doing is in the best interests for America. Bush believes he is doing the right thing. Bush is not an evil man, just grossly mis-advised.

Right, how can anyone honestly believe Bush is naïve enough to think that what he is doing in the best interests of America? The Bush family did not become a powerful multimillion dollar enterprise by looking out for the interests of others. Bush has done well to his constituents, however they are not nor have they ever been the American people. Look at what sort of crowd George W. Bush hangs around...

Seriously, how could people think that the most powerful figurehead in the U.S. federal government somehow didn't get the memo regarding lack of WMDs in Iraq that shows up on CNN 3 yrs after the war starts or some other issue where Bush was "mis-advised" or just "incompetent." For every one of his actions, ask cui bono?

JustOneWay · Oct 9, 2006

Defensor Fidei said:
Right, how can anyone honestly believe Bush is naïve enough to think that what he is doing in the best interests of America? The Bush family did not become a powerful multimillion dollar enterprise by looking out for the interests of others. Bush has done well to his constituents, however they are not nor have they ever been the American people. Look at what sort of crowd George W. Bush hangs around...

Seriously, how could people think that the most powerful figurehead in the U.S. federal government somehow didn't get the memo regarding lack of WMDs in Iraq that shows up on CNN 3 yrs after the war starts or some other issue where Bush was "mis-advised" or just "incompetent." For every one of his actions, ask cui bono?

I didn't say he was naïve, I stated he believes that he is perfoming his duties in the best interests of America. I certainly don't believe he is.

The President's job is to provide protection for America. If he believes he is protecting America by attacking other countries, how can I question his belief? I dont question his belief, I question and oppose his actions and policies.

IMO, the Bush admin didn't care about WMD's, Saddam, or helping the Iraqi's.

I understand some about these type of people. Their thinking is "how can we protect our country AND make wads of cash"

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