More Tripping Over The Stumblingblock

Nope. If the fires were a result of USA being out of line, there would have been a prophet declaring it. I don't recall that any prophet said "If the USA does not back Israel to the hilt, the USA will suffer massive damage in its forests," nor any words to that effect.

I didn't say you don't like Americans, but that it was okay if you didn't. Relax, don't worry, I'm not an American, I am a Christian. We were called to be holy/seperate from the world/in the world but not of it. All christians are aliens here, and citizens of heaven.

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I agree to a certain extent THUNDER but like you , I have 4 children and it is very likely that they will grow old in this world. I want to insure that my children and there children have a decsent world to live in. I don`t know that the end of the world is around the corner , people have been saying the world will end for 3,000 yrs and 1000 yrs ago , they all got ready for it to end.

But it didn`t

I suspect the same thing is happening today so I want to fix the world we have THUNDER , not look for a heaven???

When Gods wrath comes , it will be because we havn`t done the right thing to make this world a better place.

Allways remember what jesus mission was THUNDER , "THY KINGDOM COME ON EARTH AS IT IS IN HEAVEN."

Celtic.

it is very dangerous to live and think your Master will not be coming for a long time off.

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I do see what you mean bro. I must admit, I do need to get my house in order. Every mans life is in gods hands and it can be require of me at any time

God have mercy on me.

As for being a scoffer, no, I’m not a scoffer at prophecy THUNDER, you should know me better. I defiantly question it though mate.

The bible is a fascinating book for prophecy and foresight.

I have been a Christian about 12 yrs now and have believed what I believe the Holy Ghost is telling the church. When I became a Christian, I was well awear of the fact that there was going to be revival and a call to holiness. I felt it in the spirit, I would prophesy and say,” there is a time coming soon, were, stadiums will fill up to worship Jesus and the focus will be Jesus and him only and there will be revival in our cities. Whole countries will be converted (ie eastern block) in the revilal.the miracles will return to the church and healings will be common practice. Visions and dreams will be common and prophesy will come to life

That was 10 yrs ago know that it was burning in my spirit till I prophesied it for weeks and weeks over more than a year.

ALL OFF THAT HAS COME TO PASS OVER THE LAST 5 OR 6YRS.

So I am do doubter to prophesy THUNDER, I am more apocalyptic that you are awear. I just don’t subscribe to hall Lindsey’s version of events mate although I do believe in a capturing away into the sky, what you would call, and the rapture.

for the record , I will take your warning seariously bro as god has touched me through what you have said. you are right THUNDER , I need to be ready.

Celtic.

Originally posted by Thunderchild
Nope. If the fires were a result of USA being out of line, there would have been a prophet declaring it. I don't recall that any prophet said "If the USA does not back Israel to the hilt, the USA will suffer massive damage in its forests," nor any words to that effect.

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Why would that be necessary?  We live under the new covenent, not the old.

 

But what is this about Hal Lindsey?? I didn't say anything about Hal. I didn't ask you to believe Hal. I'm pointing to scripture, nothing more, and nothing less. Follow Jesus, the only way, truth and the life. See ya bro

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The point about hal was to explain why you could have mistaken me for a scoffer.As you know , I question those type of beliefs and even maybe scoff at it sometimes but when it comes to bible prophesy , I am all ears.

Celtic

Hi Thunder,
I am going to be honest hear THUNDER (as I always am) because I find this a very interesting subject and there is no one I would prefer to discuss it with other than you bro.

Do you think Hal is a false teacher?? If so, why do you believe that?? What do you know about him?? Have you ever read any of his books, or are you just going by what someone else has said??

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Yes, I do believe he is a false teacher!!!

No, I have never read one single word from hal Lindsey!!!

I am not going off what some one said against Hal but rather what they said in support of him!!

I also know very little of him THUNDER but I do know the bible and what god has shown me contradicts with what others say Hal teachers.

OK, I will explain the couple of scriptures that have thrown all of the stuff I have heard about hal`s ideas out the window for me, as far as truth goes.

First, The statue in Daniel shows me that there will never be another world ruler after Rome. That it will be fragmented among ten kings until the day when the stone cut out without mans hands, smites the statue (Jesus second coming) and from that will come the next world rule with Jesus at its head and the mountain will be formed out of the statue or kingdoms of this world and it will be gods kingdom.

So, I don’t understand how there is going to be an antichrist that will raise up in the last 7 yrs and rule the world because this statue dream shows me that there will never be a nother world ruler again after Rome until Jesus comes.
As you probably remember mate, I believe that the 10 toes mixed with the clay and the iron are the 10 Germanic tribes that over throw Rome around 400 ad and set up Europe with the Vatican reign. The man of sin to me is the Papacy. So I am not waiting for this world ruler to come unless he is simply a pope revamping Catholicism to the point of control over Christianity again.

Secondly,
Remember the thread I started were we discussed our view on Daniel chapter nine.

http://www.christianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=3134

Remember that I see all this as Jesus the messiah and the destruction of Judea by Rome in 70 ad, I am so shore of that thunder that it is impossible for me to get a 7 yr tribulation period out of these scriptures because I don’t even believe it mentions the man of sin in Daniel ch 9.

So when people talk to me about an antichrist that will raise up and rebuild the temple for a third time and rule the world from Israel for 7 yrs and there will be a rapture either before, during or after this 7 yrs period, They totally loose me scriptural THUNDER because I wasn't brought up a Christian so when I became a Christian and started to read the bible and learn for myself, then I would talk to different people that had all these weird doctrines that sounded like fantasy to me so I studied prophesy for my self without any out side influences from yrs of being brought up in churches or other Christians telling me This and that because I didn't really mix with Christians at first, after I got saved.
So, I didn't read any Hal books or any other book for that matter, just the bible. I learned for my self what it said and then when people talked about things like hals teaching, I would become confused and say, I didn't read anything like that in the bible and I am reading it all day every day??? They would show me in the scriptures what they were referring to and it was just not logical to me to believe the things they were saying because god had put so much in my heart already concerning the end time and past prophesy, just by my knowledge of history and the leading of the holy ghost.

I suppose on that note, I have a couple of questions for you thunder:

Can you show me in scripture, besides Daniel 9, were the antichrist would reign over the world for 7 yrs????

Can you show me a clear picture of any of these doctrines in scripture??? By clear, I mean, is there anything in the bible that clearly states these predictions because I cannot see any???

Please tell me what it is that convinces you so much that there will be a 7 yr tribe period of anti Christ rule over the entire world from the bible???

Peace

Celtic.

B USH is cool though, right?