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About the Pilgrims, don't act like you know so much.
I don't. I just know more than you, because I bothered to educate myself on them.
From both yours and Alex posts it seems you are both misinformed a little about the Pilgrims. They were separatists, who separated from the church of England. For various reasons, mostly because the church of England was alot more liberal than they were (doctrine, practice ect..). The Pilgrims moved to Holland for a while and then decided to come to America. Upon arriving in the New World they set up a very strict governmental system (actually on the boat on the way over). The did not believe in freedom of religion (it was not even dreamed of at this point in history). In practice they set up a system similar to what they had left behind in England (old habits die hard).
I just researched a paper on the Separation of Church and state, and Jefferson was not a "Christian". He was a Diest as were quite a few of the founding fathers. Deists are more comparible to agnostics than Christians (He published his own Bible talking out anything supernatural). There were some Christians among the Founding Fathers, but Jefferson wasn't among them.
Separation of Church and state is a good thing, if applied correctly. I don't want to pay my tithes to a state church and the government should not be involved in church business. Freedom of Religion is part of the separation and we should all be in favor of religious freedom. The freedom clause should always take presidence over the establishment clause, and that is the crux of the debate.
I don't. I just know more than you, because I bothered to educate myself on them.
From both yours and Alex posts it seems you are both misinformed a little about the Pilgrims. They were separatists, who separated from the church of England. For various reasons, mostly because the church of England was alot more liberal than they were (doctrine, practice ect..). The Pilgrims moved to Holland for a while and then decided to come to America. Upon arriving in the New World they set up a very strict governmental system (actually on the boat on the way over). The did not believe in freedom of religion (it was not even dreamed of at this point in history). In practice they set up a system similar to what they had left behind in England (old habits die hard).
I just researched a paper on the Separation of Church and state, and Jefferson was not a "Christian". He was a Diest as were quite a few of the founding fathers. Deists are more comparible to agnostics than Christians (He published his own Bible talking out anything supernatural). There were some Christians among the Founding Fathers, but Jefferson wasn't among them.
Separation of Church and state is a good thing, if applied correctly. I don't want to pay my tithes to a state church and the government should not be involved in church business. Freedom of Religion is part of the separation and we should all be in favor of religious freedom. The freedom clause should always take presidence over the establishment clause, and that is the crux of the debate.
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