No doubt people take evolution without any proof but doubt the Bible.
Totally wrong - at least for me, anyhow. I accept evolution because I have studied the proof for years.
I doubt the bible for the same reason - there are too many historical, archaeological, and scientific mistakes in it. In addition, there are internal inconsistencies and mistakes.
In a court in America, you can be sent to jail with one witness' testimony.
No, you cannot.
You can commit a crime and i can pick up a hobo to testify against you, and the judge will see that as solid evidence.
No he will not.
Then why do you refuse to believe the multiple accounts in the Bible and even one in the koran? You don't want to accept this despite good evidence. What is that, pride?
Because:
* you are trying to use circular reasoning, which is a logical fallacy;
* there are way too many historical, scientific, and archaeological errors in the bible to accept it at face value;
* there are also internal inconsistencies;
* the account in the Koran contradicts the account in the bible;
I'd bet anything for you to find an honest historian who denies Christ's existence.
That's easy: Earl Doherty is such a historian. Given 20 minutes, I'm sure I could find a dozen others.
Do you honestly believe that the new era could've been started in honor of an imaginary man? What do you think "BC" means?
Wow. So many bogus assumptions, it's hard to know where to start.
In the first place, the new era was only in the West, not over the rest of the world.
In the second place, that "new era" didn't even start until several hundred years later, when they revised the calendar. During the first century, nobody went around saying, "Wow! This is a new era, how cool it is!" The Church changed the calendar system much later on. The fact that they changed it centuries later doesn't qualify as any kind of evidence for Christ.
In the third place, the Chinese have 12 different years: Cat, Dog, Horse, Rabbit, etc. By your silly argument, you must also believe that these astrological signs and symbols are real, right? I mean, do you think that a billion people would start each new year in honor of imaginary spirits or forces?
In the fourth place, the Islamic era started when Allah guided Muhammed from Mecca to Medina, and miraculously preserved the small community of believers from harm. By your lame argument, you also have to accept the Koran and all its claims as true, because a new era started.
Again, eye witness reports from hundreds of people, and also people of importance in Israel.
You have zero eyewitnesses. If you think you do, then bring them forth.
Oh, and just to save you some effort: a written claim saying, "there were eyewitnesses" is not evidence; it is third-hand hearsay without any proof to back it up.
Doubting Jesus' existence is like doubting Aristotle's or Plato's existence. I can't believe how thick you appear.
Nonsense. The claims around Jesus are extraordinary. THe claims around Aristotle are not. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
Furthermore, there are many people (christian and non-christian) who believe that Jesus existed, but that he was only a teacher. That position is easier to prove (but still not an airtight case).
I'm sure the testimony of PBS overrules the Bible. Yeah.
it does as far as evidence is concerned. Either you have it, or you don't.
You claimed at one time to have it - I guess you're backpedaling from that now. Smart move - I don't blame you.
My statement is not false; it's quite true. Furthermore, there are numerous Roman records to demonstrate this. Of course, you never even bothered to look at the link or the evidence;The above quote is false. Think who killed Paul (he was a Roman citizen) for preaching the Gospel, "Good News", of Christ. Romans, that's right.
And there is no conclusive evidence for Paul being killed for preaching anything.
Yes, but they died for things they saw with their eyes.
No proof.
Just as there is little evidence for the holocaust. Is that what you mean?
There is vast evidence for the holocaust.
* First person witnesses
* Second person witnesses
* photographs
* videos
* written testimony of first-hand and second-hand participants, corroborated by multiple individuals
* physical buildings
*forensic evidence such as bones, clothes, etc.
There is no such evidence of this high quality for the bible's claims.
Says the Bible, the Word of God. If you don't accept that, fine. I don't accept your Mein Kampf.
I have no idea what you're talking about.
That's what i think of your babbling.
I don't care what you think - your opinions of me are irrelevant. All that matters is what you can prove about your claims.. The bottom line is that, as far as anyone can see, you can't prove anything you have claimed here.
I doubt you even read my response. I won't answer these a second time.
I read your response.
And I would just be happy if you answered a FIRST time. Throwing a bunch of claims together and posting them to the forum is not a response.
What do you think many cults do today?
The same thing christians do: ignore the facts and evidence, and believe whatever they want.
Their members learn to read palms and look into crystal balls. Some pray directly to satan. One of my mom's friend's daughter got interested in black magic, and she barely made it. Satan doesn't wish to release people who have been fooling around with his power. Just research that.
I have a better idea - why don't you research all these claims you've made here, and provide some proof for them? Instead of ducking and dodging, and trying to distract the conversation?
Now you prove what you said -- that everyone believes in ghosts.
As soon as you back up the several hundred unproven assertions that you have already spouted, then I'll do that. But since you threw out all those assertions first, you're going to have to prove yours first.
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