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1) Israel is the chosen nation, through whome the whole world could be blessed. Why? Because of thier seed. Notice that it is only one seed and nont "seeds" as Paul wrote. Who is The Seed? Jesus Christ, Yeshua HaMoshiak.

2) Through The Seed we all become citzens of God's Kingdom, The Olive Branch. God's kingdom is grafted with the Kingdom of Israel, just has the Olive branch is grafted with the Fig Tree. So that God gets all the glory, and his promise is kept. David's seed is forever.

3)So all are one in Christ, Jews and Gentiles, men and women, and even Scythians, as it is written in Pauls Letter (Galations?)
 
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Colossians said:
The scripture is clear: "he is a Jew who is one inwardly", and "circumcision is that of the heart". Christians.
Paul was talking about Jews who claimed to be the chosen by the fact of their lineage.

The true Israel is therefore Christ, for He is the only overcomer, and must have the preeminence in all things. This is why He is called the root of David. But your doctrine glorifies the flesh: puts the offspring before the root, the cart before the horse. For this same reason Jesus asked the Pharisees: "If [the Christ] be David's son, how is it David in the Spirit called him Lord?"

The Christians (previous Jews of the flesh, and Gentiles: now born again) represent that which is circumcised in the heart. It is they therefore, who are "Israel", for it is only they who "as a prince [have] power with God and have overcome" (Gen 32:28)."

How does this not glorify the person of Christ more than your doctrine?
The "New Covenant" revealed that by just being in the lineage of the flesh - Israel - this was NOT what saves a man, but a "true believer" is born again INTO THE KINGDOM OF GOD.

All who have the "faith of Abraham" are the ones that belong to Christ.

Christ is nowhere said to be Israel or even "spiritual Israel".

Christ was made our "high priest" after the order of Melchisedek - A GENTILE! He was NOT made a high priest after the order of the Levitical priesthood. We are under a completely different Covenant.

But God is NOT finished with Israel yet, and this is Paul's emphasis.

We never see in the New Covenant that we (gentiles) are to become Israel, either physical OR spiritual. You will find no NT scripture supporting your erroneous doctrine.

All you are doing is modifying the erronesous "Replacement theology" to suit your own misguided theology.

Blessings,

Dad Ernie
 
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Romans 9
24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?
25 As he saith also in Osee, I will call them my people, which were not my people; and her beloved, which was not beloved.
26 And it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people; there shall they be called the children of the living God.


Hosea 1
1 The word of the LORD that came unto Hosea, the son of Beeri, in the days of Uzziah, Jotham, Ahaz, and Hezekiah, kings of Judah, and in the days of Jeroboam the son of Joash, king of Israel.
2 The beginning of the word of the LORD by Hosea. And the LORD said to Hosea, Go, take unto thee a wife of whoredoms and children of whoredoms: for the land hath committed great whoredom, departing from the LORD.
3 So he went and took Gomer the daughter of Diblaim; which conceived, and bare him a son.
4 And the LORD said unto him, Call his name Jezreel; for yet a little while, and I will avenge the blood of Jezreel upon the house of Jehu, and will cause to cease the kingdom of the house of Israel.
5 And it shall come to pass at that day, that I will break the bow of Israel, in the valley of Jezreel.
6 And she conceived again, and bare a daughter. And God said unto him, Call her name Loruhamah: for I will no more have mercy upon the house of Israel; but I will utterly take them away.
7 But I will have mercy upon the house of Judah, and will save them by the LORD their God, and will not save them by bow, nor by sword, nor by battle, by horses, nor by horsemen.
8 Now when she had weaned Loruhamah, she conceived, and bare a son.
9 Then said God, Call his name Loammi: for ye are not my people, and I will not be your God.
10 Yet the number of the children of Israel shall be as the sand of the sea
, which cannot be measured nor numbered; and it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people, there it shall be said unto them, Ye are the sons of the living God.
11 Then shall the children of Judah and the children of Israel be gathered together, and appoint themselves one head, and they shall come up out of the land: for great shall be the day of Jezreel.
 
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Zayit said:
You're kidding, right?
Melchizedek is a "type" of Christ. It was to him that Abraham payed homage. Abraham DID NOT pay homage to Jacob - his grandson. Israel did not exist until Jacob was given that name. The "nations" did not spring from Jacob. They existed long before he came into existence. God declares that He is not the God of the Jews ONLY, but also of the Gentiles.

Blessings,

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Dad Ernie said:
Melchizedek is a "type" of Christ. It was to him that Abraham payed homage. Abraham DID NOT pay homage to Jacob - his grandson. Israel did not exist until Jacob was given that name. The "nations" did not spring from Jacob. They existed long before he came into existence. God declares that He is not the God of the Jews ONLY, but also of the Gentiles.

Blessings,

Dad Ernie

Are you not trying to split hairs here? Israel means he will rule as God. Christ tells all believers that we will riegn with Him as kings, and priests. And God calls us gods, we are to become a nation of kings and priests. All Scripture is for our perfection. All human beings are from one set of parents, and the only reason for them being divided into nations was the awsome power of the human will in unity of mind and purpose at the building the tower of Babel. The nation of Israel was blessed to be the keepers of and maintainers of Gods written words until The time that God determined for Holy Spirit to write them in the different languages, and the nation through whom Jesus would come into the world. Other than that there is no distiction between them and any other believer.
 
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Ernie,

The scripture is clear: "he is a Jew who is one inwardly", and "circumcision is that of the heart". Christians.
Paul was talking about Jews who claimed to be the chosen by the fact of their lineage.
And he was countering such with the true, stand-alone, definition of the Jew: "one inwardly", and not with a definition appended with your pollution "provided he is also a Jew of the flesh", which is your eisegetical approach.
"One inwardly" applies to all who are born again. Thus all who are born again are the true Jews.
Further, you need to understand Rom 11:6: "And if it is by grace, it is no more of works". Specifically, you need to understand that being born of the flesh, is the primary "work" of man: procreation. When therefore we are told that it is no more of "works", this speaks primarily to lineage of the flesh. All other works of the flesh then follow after as a subset of such procreation.
So John: "which were born not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God." John 1:13





The "New Covenant" revealed that by just being in the lineage of the flesh - Israel - this was NOT what saves a man, but a "true believer" is born again INTO THE KINGDOM OF GOD.
You can forget your "not JUST by being born of the flesh" which is your circular proofing, and amend it to read: "the New Covenant disregards the flesh entirely". Which is why we are told that God is no respecter of persons.
You need to understand that, just as Jesus' New Commandment replaced the law, so the New Covenant replaces the Old Covenant.
Accordingly Christ broke the covenant with the Jews at Calvary, as it is written: "And I took my staff, even beauty, and cut it asunder, that I might break my covenant which I had made with all the people. And it was broken in that day ... so they weighed for my price 30 pieces of silver" Zech 11.





Christ is nowhere said to be Israel or even "spiritual Israel".
Again, "Israel" means to have power with God and man as a Prince (Gen 32:28). There is only one Person worthy of this title. Like all reversion theologists, you miss the forrest for the trees. You need to read scripture inductively, not by the letter. And you need to begin with an understanding of the principle in theology of what is known as "the law of first/primary mention".
And I have shown you that it is the "Israel of God" (Gal 6:16) which the scripture gives preeminence to. Seeing that God is a spirit, it follows that so is His "Israel of God". It is Christ, and by extension the Body of Christ.





But God is NOT finished with Israel yet, and this is Paul's emphasis.
Paul's saying that they had not been cast off, is not to say their nationhood is preserved in the scheme of salvation, but that they had not been barred outright from the way of individual salvation because they were Jews. Thus he further qualifies these individuals who had not been cast off with "whom he foreknew", linking such with Rom 8:28,29: "for whom he foreknew he also predestined".
Only individuals can come to Christ, not nations. Most will be Gentiles, some Jews of the flesh (called the remnant). This remnant was extant at the time of Paul (he was one of them), and continues to come to Christ throughout the centuries, and is an occurence identical in manifestation to the born again experience of Gentiles.
Thus they all together become the true "Israel of God". Note accordingly that Paul tells us that the capital city of Israel, Jerusalem, "is the mother of US ALL" (Gal 4). Which is why we are told in Heb 12: "But ye have come to the heavenly Jerusalem", and why also we are told in Rev 21 that the Bride of the Lamb is Jerusalem.
Jersusalem is in Israel is it not?





But it is quite easy to show your doctrine is eroneous to the gospel of Christ via the following question:
"What aspect/constituent of the Cross of Jesus Christ which reconciled us to God, reestablishes Israel as a nation"?
Explain your answer.
 
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Greetings Colosians,

But it is quite easy to show your doctrine is eroneous to the gospel of Christ via the following question:
"What aspect/constituent of the Cross of Jesus Christ which reconciled us to God, reestablishes Israel as a nation"?
Explain your answer.


Please do a study of the Fig Tree in the Gospels. Your answer is in Mt. 24.

Blessings,

Dad Ernie
 
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THE TREE

Olive trees are famous for their longevity and fruitfulness which can last for centuries. It is prized for its fruit and wood. The olive tree symbolizes peace and victory.

The tree is well known in the Mediterranean area, so Paul knew the Romans would be able relate to this "word picture". Paul's metaphor found in Romans 11 is to both teach and warn the Gentile believers.

Contrary to most church teachings, the olive tree that is discussed in Romans 11:17, that is cultivated by God, is Israel. Some Bible commentators would have us to believe that the cultivated tree is the church. This is variously known as " replacement theology" and is unbiblical. Gentile believers have not replaced Israel! While they are part of God's plan, they certainly are not the whole plan!

God's promises to the Jewish people were not set aside and given over to the church, but rather the church was brought in as part of God's plan to bring the promise of salvation to all and will cause the Jew to turn to her Messiah Yeshua (Romans 1:16, 10:19, 11:11)



THE ROOT




The roots of an olive tree are very hardy. If an olive tree is cut down, new shoots often spring forth from the roots! In Paul's usage in Romans 11, the roots of the olive tree are the Patriarchs: Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.



THE BRANCHES




Branches are a secondary part of the trunk. All get their nourishment from the root. In Paul's analogy, some of the original branches, (individual Jewish non-believers, not the nation), were broken off of the cultivated tree because of their unbelief (Romans 11:20). There also remains a remnant of Jewish Believers in Yeshua (Hebrew for Jesus). It is interesting to see that the branches are broken off only temporarily. These branches can be grafted back in at any time [v.23].

God then does something marvelous. He grafted in some wild olive branches, the Gentile believers.

The branches are expected to take on the essential character of the root, just as the first piece of dough will be like the whole loaf (v16). While the root now supports two types of branches, cultivated and wild, they are to be thought of as "one" (Galatians 3:28-29).
 
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Simply because someone calls himself a Jew does not prove that he is a true physical descendant of Jacob/Israel. Just as people from many different races and nationalities are referred to as Americans merely by virtue of their being a United States citizen, so the Romans also referred to all the inhabitants of Judea as Judeans (Jews in modern parlance), regardless of whether they were Israelites by blood or not.

"John Hyrcanus conquered the whole of Edom and undertook the forced conversion of its inhabitants to Judaism (Joseph., Ant. XIII, 9, 1). Thenceforth the Edomites became a section of the Jewish people." (Encyclopedia Judaica, Vol. 6, (1971), p. 378; The New Standard Jewish Encyclopedia (1977), p. 589).

"Thus, at this juncture of time the Edomites 'were incorporated with the Jewish nation, and their country was called by the Greeks and Romans 'Idumea' (Mark 3:8; Ptolemy, 'Geography,' v. 16)." (The Jewish Encyclopedia, Vol. V. (1904), p. 41).


Flavius Josephus Antiquities of the Jews Book XIII

CONTAINING THE INTERVAL OF EIGHTY-TWO YEARS,
FROM THE DEATH OF JUDAS MACCABEUS TO THE DEATH OF QUEEN ALEXANDRA.

CHAPTER 9.
HOW, AFTER THE DEATH OF ANTIOCHUS, HYRCANUS MADE AN EXPEDITION AGAINST SYRIA, AND MADE A LEAGUE WITH THE ROMANS. CONCERNING THE DEATH OF KING DEMETRIUS AND ALEXANDER.
1. BUT when Hyrcanus heard of the death of Antiochus, he presently made an expedition against the cities of Syria, hoping to find them destitute of fighting men, and of such as were able to defend them. However, it was not till the sixth month that he took Medaba, and that not without the greatest distress of his army. After this he took Samega, and the neighboring places; and besides these, Shechem and Gerizzim, and the nation of the Cutheans, who dwelt at the temple which resembled that temple which was at Jerusalem, and which Alexander permitted Sanballat, the general of his army, to build for the sake of Manasseh, who was son-in-law to Jaddua the high priest, as we have formerly related; which temple was now deserted two hundred years after it was built. Hyrcanus took also Dora and Marissa, cities of Idumea, and subdued all the Idumeans [Edomites, descendants of Esau]; and permitted them to stay in that country, if they would circumcise their genitals, and make use of the laws of the Jews; and they were so desirous of living in the country of their forefathers, that they submitted to the use of circumcision, and of the rest of the Jewish ways of living; at which time therefore this befell them, that they were hereafter no other than Jews.

KJV Romans 9:13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.

The Wars of the Jews
Or
The History of the Destruction of Jerusalem Book II

CONTAINING THE INTERVAL OF SIXTY-NINE YEARS.
FROM THE DEATH OF HEROD TILL VESPASIAN WAS SENT TO SUBDUE THE JEWS BY NERO.

CHAPTER 8.
ARCHELAUS'S ETHNARCHY IS REDUCED INTO A [ROMAN] PROVINCE. THE SEDITION OF JUDAS OF GALILEE. THE THREE SECTS.

2. For there are three philosophical sects among the Jews. The followers of the first of which are the Pharisees; of the second, the Sadducees; and the third sect, which pretends to a severer discipline, are called Essenes. These last are Jews by birth, and seem to have a greater affection for one another than the other sects have. These Essenes reject pleasures as an evil, but esteem continence, and the conquest over our passions, to be virtue. They neglect wedlock, but choose out other persons children, while they are pliable, and fit for learning, and esteem them to be of their kindred, and form them according to their own manners. They do not absolutely deny the fitness of marriage, and the succession of mankind thereby continued; but they guard against the lascivious behavior of women, and are persuaded that none of them preserve their fidelity to one man.

KJV Romans 2:29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

Yahweh will not save anyone who rejects his Son Yahshua as Savior and Lord, regardless of whether they are descended from Yacob/Israel or not. Yahweh owes nothing to any man or nation on this earth. We serve, love, and glorify Yahweh and His Son Yahshua, or we die.

KJV Romans 9:27 Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved:
 
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Hello. A Jew is

1. Anyone born of a Jewish mother.
2. Anyone who converts to Judaism.
3. A person who identifies with Jewish culture.

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Ebed-Yahweh said:
The modern day Jews are not the true descendants of Jacob/Israel. For the most part they are Edomites (descendats of Esau), Khazars (Turks), amongst others, who seek to usurp the birthright and inheritance which they wrongly believe was stolen from them thousands of years ago. They claim to be the chosen people of God, but they are actually the people who choose Satan as their god. Yahweh will soon judge them for their lies and iniquity.

LOL!! :eek:

That is funny, we do not choose Satan as our G-d, rather HaShem, the one and only G-d of Avraham, Yitzack and Yacov.
Interestingly enough you claim we Jews are not real descendants of Jacob. The funny thing is most of us can prove we are via DNA testing and a large amount of us also have a little book called a Sefer Yochin. It is in these books that our ancestory is carefully noted, I have a friend whos ancestory gos back in the males all the way back to Aaron the High Priest. How about that? ;)

What a sad arguement you present and no doubt anti-semitic in the extreme.
Shalom and G-d bless
~Hix~
 
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The only thing that makes one a true Jew or Israelite in Yahweh's sight is to have faith in His Son Yahshua and to love Him, which means to obey His commandments. You can have all the records and DNA in the world. It doesn't matter. That sort of evidence can be manufactured and/or tampered with quite easily.

Moreover, I'm definitely not an Anti-Semite. I'm a descendant of Shem myself, and I certainly don't dislike myself. If you want to take that route, the modern nation-state of false Israel is anti-semitic. After all, its soldiers and security forces murder Arabs daily. Many Arabs are the descendants of Ishmael, son of Abraham, who was (is) also a Shemite.
 
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It occured to me I should say that there is a possibility of some from the tribes of Yudah (Judah), Levi, and Benyamin (Benjamin) being amongst the people who identify themselves as the Jews today. However, it is quite clear to me after the extensive amount of research I and others have done into this area that most of the so-called Jews, and especially their leaders, are not descended from Jacob. As I stated before Edomites (descendants of Jacob's older twin brother Esau) and Khazars (Turks who may also be descended from Edomites who migrated to central Asia) have taken over the identity of the physical people of Israel in order to advance their own nefarious schemes. If anyone wants more information, I encourage you to pray, do your own research into the matter, and see for yourself whether these things are true or not. If you would like assistance in this endeavor, please feel free to send me a private message. Thank you for your time.

P.S. Who the true physical descendants of Israel are today is a related subject which I encourage you to investigate as well. It is currently being somewhat addressed on a thread in the Eschatology section called "Christianity is the Tribe of Joseph". This is not simply 'British Israelism'. The scope of the information available on this topic is much broader than that.
 
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More about anti-Semitism. Here's a definition from the Merriam-Webster Online dictionary:

Main Entry: an·ti-Sem·i·tism
Pronunciation: "an-ti-'se-m&-"ti-z&m, "an-"tI-
Function: noun
: hostility toward or discrimination against Jews as a religious, ethnic, or racial group

Now here's the definition of Semite from my Random House Webster College Dictionary:

n. 1. a member of a people speaking a Semitic language. 2. a member of any of the peoples descended from Shem, the eldest son of Noah.

Hmm. That's kind of interesting. Now let's look at one of the definitons of Arab:

n. 2. a member of a Semitic people inhabiting since ancient times the Arabian Peninsula and the desert fringes of Mesopotamia and the Levant: after 622 A.D. spreading throughout SW Asia and N Africa.

Now it's actually a misnomer that all of the current inhabitants of the Middle East are Arabs. The term Arab has become more of a cultural and socio-political identifier more than just an ethnic label today. However, Ishmael, the father of the Arabians, was not the only Semite/Shemite dwelling in the Middle East in ancient times. Just take a look at Genesis ch. 10 and you'll see that many of that region's inhabitants are or were descended from Shem.

Given this information, the actual definition of anti-Semitism should be thus: hostility toward or discrimination against descendants of Shem, be they Arab, Jew, Israelite, Assyrian, or otherwise.

So then, if Arabs are Semites and Zionist Jews are currently oppressing and murdering Palestinian Arabs in their own country, doesn't that make the Jews anti-Semitic also?
 
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Greetings Ebed,

I am not sure what your point is in your last couple posts. A little while back a study was done regarding who and who was not a Jew. The concern is that there are many, particularly from 3rd world countries, who wish to get out of their poverty or oppression who find going to Israel attractive, AND they may be able to get support in moving there. An intensive genetic study was undertaken, and it appears that there are genetic markers to look for to determine one's Jewish ancestory, and they point to the Levitical line. It seems that all true modern Jews have this genetic marker.

I have not heard further of this project, but if I have time, I will attempt to find out more about this.

In any case, it was pretty clear during the time of Jesus who was and who was not a Jew. From that period of time forward, we actually have a lot of pretty good geneologies, so that someone could in fact determine whether or not they are Jewish.

Now as for the Word of God, we know that in the last days, the Nation of Israel would once again exist and be inhabited by Jews, so says Zechariah. (Zech 14) That nation shall once again be invaded and overrun by the gentiles. Believing Jews and Gentiles will flee the area.

Deut 4:26-31 is a good picture of where the "true Jews" are going to be in those last days who will ultimately accept the Lord as their Messiah.

On another note, if there is any one "religion" to be very concerned with in these last days, it is Islam. It is the largest of ALL religions, followed by Catholicism. The fundementalist Muslim is actually "true" to his/her religion. AND they believe that anyone that does not convert to Islam should be killed. Though it is not of the spirit of a Christian to do so, Islam should be wiped from the face of the earth.

Blessings,

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Well, I've read both the Qu'ran/Koran and certain excerpts from the Talmud. While Islam is certainly not Christian, it is closer in terms of morality than Talmudic Judaism. Make no mistake, Talmudic Judaism is as far away from the true faith of Yahshua HaMashiach as a belief system can possibly be.

The Muslims would not hate the West (at least not as much) if the the United States and Europe did not continue to be the lap dog of the Edomite Zionists of Pseudo-Israel.

Finally, as these verses demonstrate, there can be no worship of nor relationship with the Father if one does not know the Son.

KJV John 3:35 The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand.

KJV John 5:20-23
20 For the Father loveth the Son, and sheweth him all things that himself doeth: and he will shew him greater works than these, that ye may marvel.
21 For as the Father raiseth up the dead, and quickeneth them; even so the Son quickeneth whom he will.
22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:
23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.

KJV John 8:16-19
16 And yet if I judge, my judgment is true: for I am not alone, but I and the Father that sent me.
17 It is also written in your law, that the testimony of two men is true.
18 I am one that bear witness of myself, and the Father that sent me beareth witness of me.
19 Then said they unto him, Where is thy Father? Jesus answered, Ye neither know me, nor my Father: if ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also.

KJV John 10:30 I and my Father are one.

KJV John 15:23-25
23 He that hateth me hateth my Father also.
24 If I had not done among them the works which none other man did, they had not had sin: but now have they both seen and hated both me and my Father.
25 But this cometh to pass, that the word might be fulfilled that is written in their law, They hated me without a cause.


Therefore, there is no such thing as Judeo-Chrisianity, only Judeo-Churchianity. Yahweh is not named by the so-called Jews because they don't worship Him at all. Nor have they for the last two thousand years or so. Christianity and Judaism do not serve the same God. They are diametrically opposed.
 
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israelthebride said:
Who is a Jew?

To my understanding,
one who follows Judaism is called a Jew.
As,
one who follows Christianity is called a Christian.

_______

I don’t believe
that the Jews, of today,
are a race.


No one in this world can prove that their blood
is descendant from ABRAHAM
or
that they are from
the Tribe of JUDAH or BENJAMIN (under JUDAH).


At the same time,
no one can prove that their blood
is not descendant from ABRAHAM
or
that they are not from
the Tribe of JUDAH or BENJAMIN.


A person from the country of Judah/Judea
would be called a Jew,
as in the time of MESSIAH,
but
there is no country named Judah or Judea
at this time.


Many, who call themselves Jews (today),
don’t follow Judaism
and still call themselves Jews.


Why?

Because of the world's definitions?
_______

But,
If you believe that the Jews are a race
and that they are not SAVED
because they are Jews,


isn’t that being an

an·ti-Sem·ite n.
One who discriminates against
or
who is hostile toward
or
prejudiced against
Jews.

_______

Unbelievers
are the ones that are not SAVED.
This includes many people
of many races and colors
and of other beliefs.


COL 4:5-6
Walk in wisdom toward them that are without,
redeeming the time.
Let your speech be alway with grace, seasoned with salt,
that ye may know how ye ought to answer every man.



By HIS WILL,
through YH’SHWH’S BLOOD,
WE are descendants of ABRAHAM.


JN 1:12-13
But as many as received HIM,
to them gave HE POWER
to become the SONS/DAUGHTERS of GOD,
even to them that believe on HIS NAME:
Which were born,
not of blood,
nor of the will of the flesh,
nor of the will of man,
but of (the WILL of) GOD.


RICOEL
IsraeltheBride, you have a lot to learn, my friend.
 
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Hix said:
LOL!! :eek:

That is funny, we do not choose Satan as our G-d, rather HaShem, the one and only G-d of Avraham, Yitzack and Yacov.
Interestingly enough you claim we Jews are not real descendants of Jacob. The funny thing is most of us can prove we are via DNA testing and a large amount of us also have a little book called a Sefer Yochin. It is in these books that our ancestory is carefully noted, I have a friend whos ancestory gos back in the males all the way back to Aaron the High Priest. How about that? ;)

What a sad arguement you present and no doubt anti-semitic in the extreme.
Shalom and G-d bless
~Hix~


This is a silly thread, isn't it, Hix? Look at all these Gentiles who want to be 'spiritual' Jews. Is this the 'in' thing now, like being part Native American without having to suffer any of the many disadvantages, like near-genocide?

Hix, everyone who's had a mere three hours of cultural anthropology and two brain cells to fire across a synapse knows that you're stating the truth. This is a no-brainer; who is a Jew and who isn't was correctly defined in an ignored post on page one, yet I predict that this jejune, ludicrous and anti-semitic thread, started by an erzatz 'Jew', will go on and on for pages.
The OP and the majority of posts in this thread make me think of Dorothy Parker's statement (Ms. Parker was half-Jewish, btw):

"You can lead a horticulture, but you can't make her think."
 
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