Originally posted by parousia70
So what you are saying is that a future to us 2nd coming of Christ will, by necessity, be "spiritual" in nature?
What I am saying is that it will probably be both.
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Originally posted by parousia70
So what you are saying is that a future to us 2nd coming of Christ will, by necessity, be "spiritual" in nature?
Originally posted by Autumn
How then is it that people still die today? Whether the "Death" cast into the lake of fire was physical death, or the second death. You cannot maintain that Christ destroyed physical death, because people still die today; and you cannot maintain that He destroyed the Second Death (i.e. spiritual death), as you believe that saved and unsaved people walk the Earth. And if unsaved people still walk the Earth, then the second death must still exist to punish those who do not believe. Please explain.
Originally posted by Autumn
A question has just occured to me.
-If Christ's second coming took place at the destruction of the Temple in 70 A.D.
-And his comming marks the 1000 year, post Satan's binding reign (which would have ended in the year 1070 A.D.)
Originally posted by Autumn
How then is it that people still die today? Whether the "Death" cast into the lake of fire was physical death, or the second death. You cannot maintain that Christ destroyed physical death, because people still die today; and you cannot maintain that He destroyed the Second Death (i.e. spiritual death), as you believe that saved and unsaved people walk the Earth. And if unsaved people still walk the Earth, then the second death must still exist to punish those who do not believe. Please explain.
Originally posted by ArtistEd
Hi all,
I have a couple of questions maybe you can answer for me.
Lightning travels at approx 93,000 miles per second. To give some perspective to this, the initial velocity of a high powered rifle is about 1 mile per second. It really begs a couple of questions
A: If your eye can't see a bullet traveling at 1 mile per second, what do you expect to see traveling at 93,000 times that speed?
Originally posted by ArtistEd
B: Just what kind of body can travel at that speed and not disintegrate?
Originally posted by davo
New Testament reality: We are the Body of Christ -if you can believe the Scriptures [I do]
davo
Originally posted by Mandy
We are the body of Christ, which is very obviously spiritually.
Originally posted by at_the_river
...the fact that Jerusalem did make a difference and was very significant in its time. The saddest part about reading some of the posts here is that fact that many do not even know the very real repercussions of what they are praying about.
Originally posted by at_the_river
Transmillennialism is the only view that is constructive in nature and looks to build a positive future.
Futurism is actually about no future at all. It is destructive and robs people of living for today and dreaming of tomorrow because they fear that it may be their last.
Certainly, for God has not called us to abdicate our role as world changers [where we are], we are to "plan" and "do" in reaching out and bringing people to the feast of salvation -it's no longer a Battle but a Banquet!
If Christ is living in us, then it is not our will that we are living, but His. After all that He endured, I do believe that we can fulfill our mission here on earth. It doesn't matter what we want, but what God wants.Originally posted by davo
Mind you, if one has the mentality that this world is a "hell-hole" and is any time soon to be consumed by some 'dirty devil,' then one is likely to bury one's head in the shifting sands of futurism and cry "get me out of here! [and hope that "soon" doesn't mean soon how you like it to mean soon ]
davo
Originally posted by parousia70
So what you are saying is that a future to us 2nd coming of Christ will, by necessity, be "spiritual" in nature?
what about after he arrives?
Will He be confined to a throne in Jerusalem?
or will He be everywhere?
Like a Santa on every street corner?
Will we each have our own personal Jesus at our beck and call, or will we have to wait in line with the 2 billion other Christians, just to get a glimpse of Him "face to face"? That'd be a long line!
Originally posted by Autumn
I think that time is not as we know it. That He will be with us all. I understand your points...although some really aren't that apparent or clear to me. I simply would like for you, or anyone that can, to fully and clearly explain to me why all prophecy in the Bible has been fulfilled. Give me examples. This is completely new to me, and if it is the truth, because I love the Lord with all of my heart, I think that He can use you to show me.
Originally posted by Autumn
Just one more question. Where are we today? Will we just be with Christ in heaven? How does all of this fit in the whole scope of things? Will the earth and living as we know it continue on and on?[/color]
Originally posted by Manifestation1*AD70
How I came to embrace Preterism.
I would like to share with you how I came to embrace Preterism. You know how we are always hearing about the rapture and the end of the world coming on the television and radio programs. Well I was a futurist also and spent my time at night, listening to them preach on this subject over the radio.
One night while I was listening to them on the radio I fell into a deep sleep. While I was sleeping I started to feel as though I was on fire, and running a very high temperature, but yet I was still asleep.
Then I heard a voice from what I assumed to be the radio saying, "we are not living in the last days, Jesus has come."
As I begin to awake, I suddenly realized that I had also been crying in my sleep and found myself chanting over and over again "I love you Jesus." My pillow was soaking wet as though someone had saturated it with a bucket of water. All this happened between 1 and 2 AM.
The next night, I listened to the very same radio station but never heard anything like that again. From that point on it seemed like God had burned something deep within my soul forever. I would come home from work, spending hours studying. I even stayed in the house all weekend, closely examining the Bible. Studying the Bible almost become a obsession to me. It was like taking a drink of the clear water of life that proceeds from the throne of God and I could not stop drinking it.
I must admit that at first I really struggled, questioning if what I now saw in the Bible was really true. But as God promised, the more I looked for Him the more truth I found.
Many things fell into place like never before, and the Bible seemed to come alive. God opened my eyes to see who the New Testament letters were written to and why. I began, to understand the key to any passage of Scripture is a careful study into the language, culture, politics, and the historical setting in which it was originally written.
Rich nuggets of truth came forth from my daily studies in the book of Hebrews. As I studied, I learned that it takes the "cross, resurrection, and return of Christ" to complete our salvation. I learned to see things from God's perspective and not mans, that Death, to God, means to be separated from Him.
Spiritual Death is an enemy because it keeps people from God. God loved man and desired to be with him and be his God. This was not possible until Jesus Christ returned and removed the Old Covenant. Gods light and truth lead me to His holy hill and to His dwelling.
I could see more clearly than ever the face of God. God dwells in me like the Old Testament promised and I dwell in His glory because of the completed work of Christ. It is like the writer of Hebrews says we can now enter the Holiest by the blood of Christ (Hebrews 10:19).
I never pray anymore "dear Lord in heaven," for God now dwells-tabernacles within me. I am glad to call myself a preterist because if it were not for God opening my eyes, I would not be one today.
Originally posted by Kelier
How do you know it wasn't the voice of satan? Satan appears as an angel of light. Futurists also believe that God dwells in us, but we also know that Jesus is going to redeem what His creation.