The two witnesses' activity chart

[Douggg]

Here is a chart I recently made of the two witnesses' activity.

 

[Douggg]

Also here is a chart of the great tribulation, trumpet events and vial events.

 

[Maria Billingsley]

Is it against forum rules to challenge your findings?

 

[Douggg]

Is it against forum rules to challenge your findings?

No, Maria. What do you believe I have wrong ?

 

[Maria Billingsley]

No, Maria. What do you believe I have wrong ?

Not wrong, just the other view in chart form.

 

[Douggg]

Not wrong, just the other view in chart form.

What other view in chart form, Maria ?

 

[d taylor]

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I will add one, Jesus does not first return when He comes back to earth. To the Mt of Olives, Jesus first return to Bozrah

 

[Douggg]

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I will add one, Jesus does not first return when He comes back to earth. To the Mt of Olives, Jesus first return to Bozrah

Please expand on your comment. What chapter, verse(s) ? Isaiah 63 ?

Bozrah does not exist any more, although it could be a location of some of the armies that will be part of the Armageddon force.

It does say that Jesus's garments will be dipped in blood in Revelation 19:13. So that may come from destroying those armies that will be in the Bozrah location, not far east of Jerusalem.

 

[d taylor]

Please expand on your comment. What chapter, verse(s) ? Isaiah 63 ?

Bozrah does not exist any more, although it could be a location of some of the armies that will be part of the Armageddon force.

It does say that Jesus's garments will be dipped in blood in Revelation 19:13. So that may come from destroying those armies that will be in the Bozrah location, not far east of Jerusalem.

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Verses that speak to the return being at Bozrah.

Isaiah 34
Come near, you nations, to hear;
And heed, you people!
Let the earth hear, and all that is in it,
The world and all things that come forth from it.
For the indignation of the Lord is against all nations,
And His fury against all their armies;
He has utterly destroyed them,
He has given them over to the slaughter.
Also their slain shall be thrown out;
Their stench shall rise from their corpses,
And the mountains shall be melted with their blood.
All the host of heaven shall be dissolved,
And the heavens shall be rolled up like a scroll;
All their host shall fall down
As the leaf falls from the vine,
And as fruit falling from a fig tree.

“For My sword shall be bathed in heaven;
Indeed it shall come down on Edom,
And on the people of My curse, for judgment.
The sword of the Lord is filled with blood,
It is made overflowing with fatness,
With the blood of lambs and goats,
With the fat of the kidneys of rams.
For the Lord has a sacrifice in Bozrah,
And a great slaughter in the land of Edom.
The wild oxen shall come down with them,
And the young bulls with the mighty bulls;
Their land shall be soaked with blood,
And their dust saturated with fatness.”

Isaiah 63
Who is this who comes from Edom,
With dyed garments from Bozrah,
This One who is glorious in His apparel,
Traveling in the greatness of His strength?—
“I who speak in righteousness, mighty to save.”

Why is Your apparel red,
And Your garments like one who treads in the winepress?

“I have trodden the winepress alone,
And from the peoples no one was with Me.
For I have trodden them in My anger,
And trampled them in My fury;
Their blood is sprinkled upon My garments,
And I have stained all My robes.
For the day of vengeance is in My heart,
And the year of My redeemed has come.
I looked, but there was no one to help,
And I wondered
That there was no one to uphold;
Therefore My own arm brought salvation for Me;
And My own fury, it sustained Me.
I have trodden down the peoples in My anger,
Made them drunk in My fury,
And brought down their strength to the earth.”

Habakkuk 3
God came from Teman,
The Holy One from Mount Paran. Selah

His glory covered the heavens,
And the earth was full of His praise.

Bozrah will be where the remnant of Israel will be.

Micah 2
“I will surely assemble all of you, O Jacob,
I will surely gather the remnant of Israel;
I will put them together like sheep of *the fold,
Like a flock in the midst of their pasture;
They shall make a loud noise because of so many people.
The one who breaks open will come up before them;
They will break out,
Pass through the gate,
And go out by it;
Their king will pass before them,
With the Lord at their head.”

*Bozrah

 

[keras]

Also here is a chart of the great tribulation, trumpet events and vial events.

View attachment 374117

Right, but the AoD will take place 1260 days before the glorious Return, not 1335 days.
The extra 30 and 75 days of Daniel 12, are for the Feast of Atonement and Hanukkah - AFTER Jesus Returns.

It is obvious from Revelation 11, that the 2 Witnesses will operate during the second half of the final 7 years. Proved by the earthquake in v13 matching the one in Rev 16:18

 

[keras]

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I will add one, Jesus does not first return when He comes back to earth. To the Mt of Olives, Jesus first return to Bozrah

I have visited Bozrah. Actually the ruins of the ancient town in Jordan. Its name means; sheepfold.
Bozrah is used in Bible Prophecy as the place Gods peoples are kept safe now; like America and New Zealand, etc.

Ezekiel 35:1-5 Look toward all the lands of the Edomites and pronounce judgement upon them. The Lord says: I shall stretch out My hand to strike your land, I will reduce it to a desolate waste and your towns will be ruined. Then you will know that I am the Lord, for you have kept up an ancient feud and shed the blood of the Israelites by warfare, during the time of their punishment. [by exile]

Ezekiel 35:6-9 Therefore as I live, says the Lord: I shall make blood your destiny, since you do not hate killing and death, that will come upon you. Your land and cities will become desolate wastes forever and no one will travel there. I will cover the hills and valleys with the dead, your towns will not be inhabited. Isaiah 17:1

Ezekiel 35:10-14 You say: the two nations and two countries [The ten tribes of Israel and the two tribes of Judah] will be our possession, even though the Lord has been there. Therefore your anger and jealousy will be repaid, for I will do to the whole of Edom what you have done in your hatred for My people. I shall be known among you - for the way I judge you, you will know that the Lord has punished you. [by the means of a CME sunstrike, Isaiah 30:26-30] I have heard all your blasphemous talk about the Land of Israel, saying: the Land is ours to occupy. You have boasted and spoken against Me without restraint. So, now I will destroy you., while the whole world rejoices, As you rejoiced at the inheritance of the House of Israel, when it was desolated, so I will do to you, all your lands will be devastated. Hosea 4:1-3 Reference: REB, NIV, KJV. Some verse abridged

The Edomites can be identified as those nations and entities - that hate My [faithful Christian] peoples and have kept up their ancient feud with Israel, those peoples who currently occupy virtually all of the Holy Land area and who now threaten the Jewish State of Israel with annihilation. Psalms 83:13-15, describes how the Lord’s Day of wrath will deal to them, as they commence their attack. Isaiah 30:26, Psalms 7:12-16, Isaiah 8:9-10, Obadiah 1:15, Micah 4:11-12

Psalms 83:12 informs us that the goal of this alliance is total possession of all the holy Land. This is exactly as the Charters of Hamas and Fatah state; they are not interested in a two State solution, all the Jews must either leave or be killed. THEY love killing and death. Ezekiel 35:6
NOTE: that the State of Israel is mainly populated with peoples who are Edomite’s by descent or by action and many Prophesies tell of their virtual demise, as the entire Middle East is cleared and cleansed. Zephaniah 1:14-18, including Jewish Israel. ;- Ezekiel 21:1-7, Luke 19:27

Many people believe that the next prophesied event in our world will be the Gog/ Magog invasion. Others say it’s the tribulation – preceded by a rapture of the church. Some think the Return of Jesus will be next. That it will be none of these is told to us in the Book of the prophet Ezekiel, chapters 34, 35, 36, 37, 38 & 39 they all speak about the Israelites, who are now all of God’s faithful people; being gathered out of the nations and settled into all of the Holy Land.

Those chapters are written in a fairly obvious sequence of events. Ezekiel 34:12-13 ‘I will rescue My sheep [people] from where they were scattered in the Day of cloud and darkness, I will lead them out of the nations and bring them home to their own country’. Amos 5:18, Isaiah 13:9-10
Then comes Ezekiel 35, where it is explained how this gathering and resettlement can take place. ALSO; Isaiah 35:1-10

This attack by the peoples surrounding Israel will result in their destruction, but the Bible prophecies also say that Judah too, will be judged at this time and ‘only a holy remnant will survive’. The Land will not be polluted by radiation and as the sunstrike the Lord will use quickly passes, the vegetation soon regenerates. Psalms 68:9, Ezekiel 36:8 You, Land of Israel, grow your trees and bear fruit, for the homecoming of My people is near.

This opens the way for all the faithful Christian peoples to emigrate to their heritage. Amos 9:13-15, Romans 9:24-26

Later will come the invasion by Gog/Magog – a different list of peoples and nations. They attack the peoples ‘gathered from the nations and living in a land recently recovered from ruin’. Ezekiel 38:8 The total wipe out of Gog and his horde, is ‘to show Myself Holy and make Myself known to many peoples’. Joel 2:20, Ezekiel 38:23-26

The rest of the prophecies will then unfold – the rise of the Anti Christ, the Tribulation and then, the culmination of the age: the Return of Jesus for His 1000 year reign. Then – the final Judgment and Eternity. Ref: logostelos.info

 

[Douggg]

It is obvious from Revelation 11, that the 2 Witnesses will operate during the second half of the final 7 years. Proved by the earthquake in v13 matching the one in Rev 16:18

There ares no massive hailstones (Revelation 16:18-21) accompanying the Revelation 11 earthquake.

Also, here are two other reasons why the two witnesses' 1260 days are not mostly in the second half as you think.


1. The world will not be in mood to exchange presents over the death of the two witnesses. A third of mankind will have just been killed by the sixth trumpet second woe of Revelation 9. And also the world will be suffering under the effects of the vials of God's wrath poured out.


2. The 1260 days of the two witnesses correspond to the 1260 days of Revelation 12:6. Color coded in yellow in my chart below.

 

[Douggg]

Right, but the AoD will take place 1260 days before the glorious Return, not 1335 days.
The extra 30 and 75 days of Daniel 12, are for the Feast of Atonement and Hanukkah - AFTER Jesus Returns.

No, the abomination of desolation statue image is not going to be allowed to continue to stand on the temple mount for 30 or 75 days after Jesus Returns.

On the 1335th day, the statue image will be destroyed.

 

[keras]

There ares no massive hailstones (Revelation 16:18-21) accompanying the Revelation 11 earthquake.

But there could be and Rev 16:21 tells us there will be.
Every detail is not given in most Prophesies, we must gather all the information and make a coherent picture.

1. The world will not be in mood to exchange presents over the death of the two witnesses. A third of mankind will have just been killed by the sixth trumpet second woe of Revelation 9. And also the world will be suffering under the effects of the vials of God's wrath poured out.

The ungodly follower's of the 'beast' are still alive despite the punishments of the Trumpets and Bowls. Proved by Revelation 16:1-10
They will celebrate the killing of the 2 Witnesses.
Then after 3 1/2 days, Jesus will Return and call them up to Him, along with all the faithful peoples. Matthew 24:30-31

No, the abomination of desolation statue image is not going to be allowed to continue to stand on the temple mount for 30 or 75 days after Jesus Returns.

I did not say it would be.
It will be gone, along with the armies at Armageddon, the 'beast and the FP and all who reject Christianity, when Jesus Returns.

I know your beliefs are 'set in concrete'. There are many ways to break concrete, but your beliefs are locked in; Isaiah 29:9-12, and only as things unfold will those who have chosen to believe in false theories, finally know the truths. To their eternal regret and shame.

 

[Douggg]

The ungodly follower's of the 'beast' are still alive despite the punishments of the Trumpets and Bowls. Proved by Revelation 16:1-10
They will celebrate the killing of the 2 Witnesses.
Then after 3 1/2 days, Jesus will Return and call them up to Him, along with all the faithful peoples. Matthew 24:30-31

keras, why would a Christian nation made up of totally Christians (of your replacement theory) need two witnesses testifying to them in Jerusalem ? The entire nation (of your replacement theory) will all already believe in Jesus.

 

[Douggg]

I did not say it would be.
It will be gone, along with the armies at Armageddon, the 'beast and the FP and all who reject Christianity, when Jesus Returns.

The great tribulation begins when the AoD statue image is set up on the temple mount. So if you are saying that the AoD statue image will be gone the day of Jesus's returns - then the 1335 days of Daniel 12:12 have to end then as well.

 

[keras]

keras, why would a Christian nation made up of totally Christians (of your replacement theory) need two witnesses testifying to them in Jerusalem ? The entire nation (of your replacement theory) will all already believe in Jesus.

Another failure to properly read what the Prophets said.
Zechariah 14:1-2 tells of the conquest of the Christian nation of Beulah. Confirmed by Revelation 12 & 13, when Satan is thrown out of heaven - he will break the 7 year treaty and invade the Holy Land. Daniel 7:25 AND desecrate the Temple. Daniel 9:27
But those who kept faithful will be taken to a distant place of safety. Rev 12:14 and those who agreed with that treaty, Daniel 11:32 must remain. Revelation 12:17

It will be the conquerors of the Holy Land that the 2 Witnesses will preach to.
I would love to see them spewing fire to consume their enemies. Rev 11:5

The great tribulation begins when the AoD statue image is set up on the temple mount. So if you are saying that the AoD statue image will be gone the day of Jesus's returns - then the 1335 days of Daniel 12:12 have to end then as well.

But the 1335 days, [1260 + 75] cannot begin before the mid point of the final 7 years.
Logically and scripturally, the extra 75 days must come after the glorious Return.

 

[Douggg]

Another failure to properly read what the Prophets said.
Zechariah 14:1-2 tells of the conquest of the Christian nation of Beulah

Zechariah 14:1-5 is at the end of the 7 years, at the time of Jesus's return, when Jesus will stand on the mount of Olives and split it in half in Zechariah 14:4. Zechariah 14 does not mention Beulah, but the city of Jerusalem in Zechariah 14:2.

2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.

3 Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.

4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.

It will be the conquerors of the Holy Land that the 2 Witnesses will preach to.

keras, the 1260 days of the two witnesses will be the same 1260 days of Revelation 12:6. All of the like time frames go together. The 1260 days are color coded yellow on my chart.

 

[Douggg]

But the 1335 days, [1260 + 75] cannot begin before the mid point of the final 7 years.
Logically and scripturally, the extra 75 days must come after the glorious Return.

The 1335 days is not dependent upon day 1260. But is the time frame between the AoD is setup until the day that Jesus returns. There is no such thing as an "extra" 75 days.

 

[keras]

half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.

This another reference to what happens in Rev 12 and Daniel 9:27 The division of the Christian peoples.
All at the mid point of the final 7 years.
Zechariah 14:3 is Armageddon and verse 4 is the Return of Jesus; to the same place He Ascended from.

The 1335 days is not dependent upon day 1260. But is the time frame between the AoD is setup until the day that Jesus returns. There is no such thing as an "extra" 75 days.

There is no indication anywhere of the 1335 days commencing before the AoD
But there is evidence of the 30 and the 75 days past the glorious Return. They fit with Atonement and Hanukkah.
Your 'charts ' are in error.