Does Open Carry Cause Problems?

[RDKirk]

I wouldn’t count out double action firearms all together based on owning one bad gun 40 years ago.

There was nothing mechanically wrong with the gun. If was a Sig, and operated perfectly.

I just never liked DA/SA operation.

My Ruger SR22 is double action and I’ve never had a problem with it. I like the fact that I can keep a round in the chamber with the hammer in the decocked position and pull it out of my holster and all I have to do is move my thumb up about a half inch to turn the safety off and pull the trigger and it will fire.

And moving the thumb up to deactivate the safety is just dumb engineering. I don't mind a gun with a manual safety; I trained on Cold 1911 pistols. The pistols I use now have the same kind of manual safeties as the 1911. But that's a naturally engineered safety designed for fast combat operation: The thumb moves downward, closing onto the fingers, which is the thumb's most natural and strongest motion. Raising the thumb is contrary to the design of the thumb...bad engineering.

 

[Hentenza]

As a practical matter, none of the show organizers want to be shut down by the ATF, so many if not most gun shows require FFL licenses of people who get show booths. And if they don't, those booths are not cheap; people who don't expect to sell enough items to make the booth fee won't have booths. And people who sell more than a fairly small amount of firearms per year must have FFLs.

So, as a pratical matter, if someone buys a gun at a gun show from a non-FFL...that sale is probably taking place in the parking lot. It could just as well be a Burger King parking lot.

That's because getting the concealed carry license requires a state background check.

They still run the person through the federal "instant check" for every gun purchase.

I don’t ever buy anything from a parking lot. The purchases I made from private sellers were from a booth inside of the venue.

 

[BNR32FAN]

As a practical matter, none of the show organizers want to be shut down by the ATF, so many if not most gun shows require FFL licenses of people who get show booths. And if they don't, those booths are not cheap; people who don't expect to sell enough items to make the booth fee won't have booths. And people who sell more than a fairly small amount of firearms per year must have FFLs.

So, as a pratical matter, if someone buys a gun at a gun show from a non-FFL...that sale is probably taking place in the parking lot. It could just as well be a Burger King parking lot.

That's because getting the concealed carry license requires a state background check.

They still run the person through the federal "instant check" for every gun purchase.

Yeah that’s what I would expect. I would expect that people who aren’t hosting the event would want to avoid any potential legal issues as a result of their event where they could be accused of promoting the sale of firearms to unvetted buyers. I’ve never even been to a gun show. I’ve bought mine from gun stores except for my Ruger 22 that I bought from a pawn shop, but I had to do a background check for all of mine because I don’t have a carry license. But I am in the market for a Diamondback DB10 in 308 with an LPVO. That’s most likely going to be my next purchase so I’m planning do check out a few gun shows maybe to see if I can find a really good price.

 

[BNR32FAN]

I don’t ever buy anything from a parking lot. The purchases I made from private sellers were from a booth inside of the venue.

Yeah I can’t see paying hundreds or more on something that doesn’t have a warranty or worse could’ve potentially been used in a crime.

 

[BNR32FAN]

There was nothing mechanically wrong with the gun. If was a Sig, and operated perfectly.

I just never liked DA/SA operation.


And moving the thumb up to deactivate the safety is just dumb engineering. I don't mind a gun with a manual safety; I trained on Cold 1911 pistols. The pistols I use now have the same kind of manual safeties as the 1911. But that's a naturally engineered safety designed for fast combat operation: The thumb moves downward, closing onto the fingers, which is the thumb's most natural and strongest motion. Raising the thumb is contrary to the design of the thumb...bad engineering.

This is the exact SR22 I have. Now I bought this for my wife!! I DID NOT buy a purple .22 cal for myself. Lol But when you’re holding this thing in your hand your thumb is automatically right underneath the safety lever. All you have to do is move it up a half inch and it’s ready to go. And it’s ambi so right or left handed it doesn’t matter. I don’t see any problem or disadvantage to this.

 

[RDKirk]

This is the exact SR22 I have. Now I bought this for my wife!! I DID NOT buy a purple .22 cal for myself. Lol But when you’re holding this thing in your hand your thumb is automatically right underneath the safety lever. All you have to do is move it up a half inch and it’s ready to go. And it’s ambi so right or left handed it doesn’t matter. I don’t see any problem or disadvantage to this.

"Up" is still the wrong direction.

 

[BNR32FAN]

"Up" is still the wrong direction.

Why?

 

[RDKirk]

Why?

Moving the thumb up to deactivate the safety is just dumb engineering. I don't mind a gun with a manual safety; I trained on Cold 1911 pistols. The pistols I use now have the same kind of manual safeties as the 1911. But that's a naturally engineered safety designed for fast combat operation: The thumb moves downward, closing onto the fingers, which is the thumb's most natural and strongest motion. Raising the thumb is contrary to the design of the thumb...bad engineering.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Moving the thumb up to deactivate the safety is just dumb engineering. I don't mind a gun with a manual safety; I trained on Cold 1911 pistols. The pistols I use now have the same kind of manual safeties as the 1911. But that's a naturally engineered safety designed for fast combat operation: The thumb moves downward, closing onto the fingers, which is the thumb's most natural and strongest motion. Raising the thumb is contrary to the design of the thumb...bad engineering.

No I'm pretty sure that thumbs are equally designed to move both up and down. I mean you do have to raise your thumb up before you can push the safety lever down right? So in both designs you have to move your thumb up then down to turn off the safety.

 

[RDKirk]

No I'm pretty sure that thumbs are equally designed to move both up and down. I mean you do have to raise your thumb up before you can push the safety lever down right? So in both designs you have to move your thumb up then down to turn off the safety.

I mean the safety should be designed to pull the lever downward to fire. That's the natural movement of the thumb while gaining a grip on the gun. Close your hand as if closing around a grip: Your thumb moves downward and inward, the desired pressure a well-designed safety should have. That's also the direction of the greatest strength of the thumb.

 

[jacks]

Forget up or down. Get a Glock, the only safety is built into the trigger.

 

[RDKirk]

Forget up or down. Get a Glock, the only safety is built into the trigger.

Nah.

 

[Postvieww]

So....kind of like 500 people coming back to life, it should be taken with a large grain of salt.

So anything only mentioned only 1 time in scriptures is not considered to be inspired scripture?????

 

[Postvieww]

More guns equals more deaths. But ‘money’ so the deaths will continue.

It’s that simple.

Tell me how do you solve this problem. If you could have every gun law you desire how would you enforce that on the criminal element that would had no regard for any law? Your statement above is over simplified nonsense. Less guns by enforcing stricter laws on guns means less guns for law abiding citizens who will never use them in an illegal manner anyway. The criminal element will always have guns even if they have to make them themselves. We have many gun laws on the books now and criminals just don’t care to comply. The total disarming of the population in this country is a pipe dream not to mention bearing arms is a constitutional right. Sadly enforcement of existing law is about all we have at our disposal. Rogue judges and catch and release policies are a major problem in this country. I would rewrite your statement to say more criminals equals more deaths .

 

[Postvieww]

Yet we don’t have any passages ever indicating that they did actually carry a sword after that night.

Irrelevant. I do not believe Jesus would have encouraged anyone to commit an immoral act in any context.

 

[Larniavc]

Just that thought alone could be enough to deter them from committing a crime or causing harm to someone without any gun ever actually being used.

I think it far more likely that it would encourage someone with ill intent to carry a gun to deal with potential victims who may carry a gun.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Irrelevant. I do not believe Jesus would have encouraged anyone to commit an immoral act in any context.

I don’t believe that carrying a sword was an immoral act. My point is that they don’t appear to have been carrying swords because of the dangers of persecution during their ministry.